Curious what your thoughts on using this while on cycle. Sense it stimulates a increase in test in such a novel way, I wonder if it could stop or slow down any shut down one gets from using PH.
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02-18-2010, 09:43 AM #451Registered User
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02-18-2010, 10:10 AM #452Registered User
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I'm not going to endorse the use of anything with prohormones that arent 100% legal and DSHEA compliant... However, supposing they are 100% compliant... I think it is a great stacking agent or can even be a great PCT to boost levels when coming off a cycle, especially the novel mechanism of action....Originally Posted by bkprice14
Wont' shut you down as it leave body slowly naturally and levels return to normal after use... It's amino acid based... not hormonal based...
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02-18-2010, 10:12 AM #453Registered User
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That's a lot of tea! Was she also dieting at that time too do you know?Originally Posted by Bohker20
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02-18-2010, 10:24 AM #454Custom User Title
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Apparently if you are extremely intelligent, have a lot of experience in the supplement industry, and believe in your constitutional right to freedom of speech you don't belong on these forums.
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02-18-2010, 10:27 AM #455well...if she lost 15 lb in a month cutting it...what of your gains in a month using it?Originally Posted by Bohker20
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02-18-2010, 10:28 AM #456While I agree they probably shouldnt have been banned...a flaw there...Originally Posted by jkeezo
Your constitutional right to freedom of speech does not exist on private property, last i checked bodybuilding.com is...right...privately owned.
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I know the constitution doesn't apply on a privately owned forum. I was merely trying to say they aren't afraid to speak their minds.Originally Posted by De__eB
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Originally Posted by De__eB
What's up with all these people being banned? Someone narking to the Mods? This is BSOriginally Posted by jkeezo
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02-18-2010, 01:24 PM #459Gettin' Big Now...
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Been quite a few "questionable" things going on as of lateOriginally Posted by Rev 13:18
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02-18-2010, 01:33 PM #460I see, misinterpreted your meaning, sorryOriginally Posted by jkeezo
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02-18-2010, 02:35 PM #461Registered User
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LOL umm theyve been banning everyone for no reason in case you havent noticed. I'm guessing their MODS are a bunch of teens with acne with fake profiles, Im surprised bb.com lets this go on. Ive reported them to them to the bbb and they keep calling me names when then ban my account. troll etc... LMAO these mods are worse than the members. what a joke.Originally Posted by Rev 13:18
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02-18-2010, 02:38 PM #462Registered User
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And now you're at....36....NiceOriginally Posted by musclephenom36
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02-18-2010, 03:37 PM #463Senior member
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Originally Posted by jkeezo
To say the least. Who knows what's going on.Originally Posted by VaughnTrue
Even AAS users don't use HCG for cycles up to 10 weeks, why should you prevent atrophy on a 4 weeks PH cycle?Originally Posted by bkprice14
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02-18-2010, 03:56 PM #464Registered User
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Because shut down on a four week cycle happens and if you keep your test higher during the cycle your post cycle gains will be better. Also, you could run a non-methyl PH for longer cycles and it could also keep energy up along with libido.
Lg has posted about using one of their products for this reason.
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02-18-2010, 04:09 PM #465Senior member
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A product to prevent shutdown on cycle?Originally Posted by bkprice14
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02-18-2010, 04:11 PM #466Registered User
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Not stop but make on cycle better and coming off easier, keeping more gains.
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02-18-2010, 04:13 PM #467Senior member
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Intriguing. Link?Originally Posted by bkprice14
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02-18-2010, 06:59 PM #468I could live without the last guy...Originally Posted by jkeezo
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02-18-2010, 07:13 PM #469killing it.
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He was actually pretty helpful. What is going on with all the banning around here?Originally Posted by Ironman88
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02-19-2010, 03:42 AM #470Senior member
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Banning, trolls, private info posted, secrets...nice stuffOriginally Posted by krazykarl
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02-19-2010, 07:31 AM #471Registered User
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Ok... We have discussed in previous posts about some various synergists and cofactors in the Muscle Warefare NMDA formula... The last one we discussed in detail was Myobolic-Serm#1.... Citing many studies and MOA's ...
Now, as promised... some supporting data for Myobolic-Serm2
In the NMDA (Muscle Warfare) formula it is listed as:
MYOBOLIC-SERM/2
(SERM Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator / Testosterone Enhancer/ HSP Xeno-Hormetic Trigger/ Sirt-1 Gene Activator)
5-[2-(4-hydroxyphenyl)ethenyl]benzene-1,3-diol (resveratrol)
5-[2-(4-hydroxyphenyl)ethenyl]benzene-1,3-diol-triacetate-ester (resveratrol triacetate)
Here is some supporting scientific research to support this label description....
HSP Activator:
Antioxid Redox Signal. 2008 Jan;10(1):65-75. Links
Resveratrol induces the heat-shock response and protects human cells from severe heat stress.
Myogenic Properties:
Nat Rev Drug Discov. 2006 Jun;5(6):493-506. Epub 2006 May 26.
Therapeutic potential of resveratrol: the in vivo evidence.
Nature. 2003 Sep 11;425(6954):191-6. Epub 2003 Aug 24. Links
Small molecule activators of sirtuins extend Saccharomyces cerevisiae lifespan.
Biogerontology. 2009 Aug;10(4):423-34. Epub 2008 Oct 1. Links
Suppression of the aging-associated decline in physical performance by a combination of resveratrol intake and habitual exercise in senescence-accelerated mice.
SERM Activity:
Horm Behav. 2002 Mar;41(2):220-8.
Resveratrol: phytoestrogen effects on reproductive physiology and behavior in female rats.
Resveratrol reverses estrogen-induced hypertension in female rats.
Life Science, Environmental Conservation and Development, Graduate School of Human and Environmental Studies, Kyoto University, Yosida, Nihonmatu-cho, Sakyo-ku, Kyoto, 6068501, Japan
Pro-Testosterone:
Arch Pharm Res. 2008 Jan;31(1):83-7. Links
trans-Resveratrol relaxes the corpus cavernosum ex vivo and enhances testosterone levels and sperm quality in vivo.
ANTI-Agining:
J Biol Chem. 2005 Apr 29;280(17):17187-95. Epub 2005 Mar 4. Links
Mechanism of human SIRT1 activation by resveratrol.
Curr Med Chem. 2008;15(19):1887-98. Links
Trans-resveratrol: a magical elixir of eternal youth?
Cardiovascular Health:
Cardiovasc Res. 2009 Oct 8. [Epub ahead of print] Links
ACTIVATION OF SIRT1 BY RESVERATROL INDUCES KLF2 EXPRESSION CONFERRING AN ENDOTHELIAL VASOPROTECTIVE PHENOTYPE.
Neuroprotection:
1: J Alzheimers Dis. 2009 Sep 11. [Epub ahead of print] Links
Sirtuins as Novel Targets for Alzheimer's Disease and Other Neurodegenerative Disorders: Experimental and Genetic Evidence.
Mitochondrial Repair and regenesis:
Am J Physiol Heart Circ Physiol. 2009 Jul;297(1):H13-20. Epub 2009 May 8. Links
Comment in:
Am J Physiol Heart Circ Physiol. 2009 Jul;297(1):H8-9.
Resveratrol induces mitochondrial biogenesis in endothelial cells.
Lowers Insulin Resistance:
Cell Metab. 2008 Oct;8(4):333-41. Links
SirT1 gain of function increases energy efficiency and prevents diabetes in mice.
Liver protection:
Am J Physiol Gastrointest Liver Physiol. 2008 Oct;295(4):G833-42. Epub 2008 Aug 28.
Resveratrol alleviates alcoholic fatty liver in mice.
Safety Data:
Food Chem Toxicol. 2009 Sep;47(9):2170-82. Epub 2009 Jun 6. Links
Safety studies conducted on high-purity trans-resveratrol in experimental animals.
MUSCLE WARFARELast edited by MWarfare; 02-19-2010 at 07:37 AM.
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02-19-2010, 08:23 AM #472INDUSTRY INSIDER
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This is really turning into:Originally Posted by MWarfare
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I wonder how none of the mods takes offense of a company not sold on bb.com advertising their products and on a topic t discuss D-aspartate to boot.
Seriously if you want to tell ppl how great your product is wait till you get sold on bb.com and make a combo in the company promo section.
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