I posted this already in the "general" section, sorry. I figure it would do better in the science area.
The following is from howstuffworks.com and wikipedia. Ive been taking this stuff for about a month now, and I'm really not sure if it does what it claims.
"The athletic world touts tribulus terrestris as a natural alternative to artificial steroids. Some people believe using tribulus terrestris can affect the body's muscle composition and improve a person's success with bodybuilding. Tribulus terrestris may contribute to an athlete's improved performance and add to an athlete's muscle mass [source: Monson and Schoenstadt]."
"There are several claims circulating that say tribulus terrestris is both safe and effective in helping athletes build their muscles, and that it avoids all the negative side effects of using steroids. The theory is that there are three chemicals found within the plant that might help foster the growth of muscles and activate the production of testosterone. Those three phytochemicals, meaning chemicals found within a plant, are dioscin, protodioscin and diosgenin [source: Chinese Herbs]."
"It is important to remember that the scientific and medical communities have not yet verified any of the claims made about tribulus terrestris. All of the claims you hear about tribulus terrestris heightening the ability of cells and tissues to absorb the most protein and energy from food are generally speculations based on sparse studies [source: Chinese Herbs]."
Now I've seen some articles on BB.com state that this product is effective in increasing testosterone, but a number of places insist its just speculation and that there are no consistent studies that can prove these facts.
"Animal studies in rats, rabbits and primates have demonstrated that administration of Tribulus terrestris extract can produce statistically significant increases in levels of testosterone, dihydrotestosterone and dehydroepiandrosterone, and produces effects suggestive of aphrodisiac activity. On the other hand, one recent study found that T. terrestris caused no increase in testosterone or LH in young men, and another found that a commercial supplement containing androstenedione and herbal extracts, including T. terrestris, was no more effective at raising testosterone levels than androstenedione alone."
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Tribulus Terrestris, does it REALLY increase testosterone? *moved*
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In terms of elevating testosterone in humans....Originally Posted by Wikipedia synapses
Originally Posted by NO HYPE
Nice try though.
Int J Androl. 2000;23 Suppl 2:82-4.
Phytochemicals and the breakthrough of traditional herbs in the management of sexual dysfunctions.
Traditional herbs have been a revolutionary breakthrough in the management of erectile dysfunction and have become known world-wide as an 'instant' treatment. The modern view of the management of erectile dysfunction subscribes to a single etiology, i.e. the mechanism of erection. A large number of pharmacological agents are orally consumed and vasoactive agents inserted intraurethrally or injected intrapenially to regain good erection. Modern phytochemicals have developed from traditional herbs. Phytochemicals focus their mechanism of healing action to the root cause, i.e. the inability to control the proper function of the whole body system. Hence phytochemicals manage erectile dysfunction in the frame of sexual dysfunction as a whole entity. Protodioscin is a phytochemical agent derived from Tribulus terrestris L plant, which has been clinically proven to improve sexual desire and enhance erection via the conversion of protodioscine to DHEA (De-Hydro-Epi-Androsterone). Preliminary observations suggest that Tribulus terrestris L grown on different soils does not consistently produce the active component Protodioscin. Further photochemical studies of many other herbal plants are needed to explain the inconsistent results found with other herbal plants, such as in diversities of Ginseng, Eurycoma longifolia, Pimpinella pruacen, Muara puama, Ginkgo biloba, Yohimbe etc.
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01-17-2010, 08:18 PM #9Originally Posted by nni
Originally Posted by NNI
01-17-2010, 08:56 PM #10
thread: does trib boost test?
my response: not in humans, steer clear.
thats really all, if you want to argue if there are other benefits in humans, then that is another thread. i would hope anyone who has graduated high school would have gotten that, but for you, again i will make myself even clearer by explaining my original post.
nni: [op, to answer your question, does tribulus boost test, from my research] tribulus does not work in humans [for boosting test]. [in continuance of answering your question of whether tribulus will boost test,] until we see literature showing tribulus working in humans [for the purpose of boosting test levels], i'd steer clear [of tribulus as an option for the purpose of boosting test in humans].
see how redundant that is when answering a direct question? do you see how your little attack on me was completely pointless? of course you dont, youve been pulling this same crap for years. by all means though do what makes you happy. hopefully we are done here though.www.placebro.net
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01-17-2010, 09:57 PM #11
your response: tribulus does not work in humans.
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01-18-2010, 05:51 AM #14
nni frequently does not use the quote feature available on this site even when replying directly to one specific post. The use of this basic forum etiquette would help resolve many misunderstandings. While nni may have intended to reply to the OP, it's abundantly clear how his response of 'it doesn't work in humans' could have been understood as a reply to NO HYPE's statements regarding libido effects.
That said, NO HYPE's logic and response is sound, any personal history the members involved may have aside. It was a misunderstanding, but as an unbiased observer reading from the top, nni was vague and unclear if you read his post and don't infer. And he was the first to take it personal and sling insults.
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