why are most olympic lifters so weak

[boykid28]

Weightlifters do slow movements.

best quote ever.

[powmongo]

Weightlifters do slow movements.

comparatively speaking, most of what olympic weightlifters do in training is ballistic, snatch, clean and jerk, pulls, squats, etc. Olympic weightlifting is a ballistic sport. As i metioned weightlifter do strength work during certain cycles but it is never solely the focus of training.

[Squinky]

comparatively speaking, most of what olympic weightlifters do in training is ballistic, snatch, clean and jerk, pulls, squats, etc. Olympic weightlifting is a ballistic sport. As i metioned weightlifter do strength work during certain cycles but it is never solely the focus of training.

This is one of the reasons this thread was started. You think weightlifters do ballistic stuff AND then strength work, which according to you, is something different. It shows how much out of the loop you are. Misconceptions live strong.

[powmongo]

This is one of the reasons this thread was started. You think weightlifters do ballistic stuff AND then strength work, which according to you, is something different. It shows how much out of the loop you are. Misconceptions live strong.

Olympic weightlifters focus on building technical skill, power, then strength. Olympic weightlifters focus on the RATE they can apply force (power), over the absolute AMOUNT of force they can produce (strength). I learned form Shin-Ho Kang a coach who has produced Olympic and World Champions and helped develop the Korean system of training. I also have been/are involved in coaching 2 Olympians (one of whom is a medalist). Either you can't read English or need to re-read my posts. This thread was started due to someone unfamiliar with the sport saying Olympic lifters are weak which they certainly are not (when comparing the world's best weightlifters to powerlifters). So far you seem to think strength and power are the same, which the definitions and equations for each are different. So whose out of the loop...?

[Squinky]

Olympic weightlifters focus on building technical skill, power, then strength. Olympic weightlifters focus on the RATE they can apply force (power), over the absolute AMOUNT of force they can produce (strength). I learned form Shin-Ho Kang a coach who has produced Olympic and World Champions and helped develop the Korean system of training. I also have been/are involved in coaching 2 Olympians (one of whom is a medalist). Either you can't read English or need to re-read my posts. This thread was started due to someone unfamiliar with the sport saying Olympic lifters are weak which they certainly are not (when comparing the world's best weightlifters to powerlifters). So far you seem to think strength and power are the same, which the definitions and equations for each are different. So whose out of the loop...?

If you didn't notice this thread was about beginners or amateur lifters. They usually concentrate on technique and power, which to them is something mystical, nothing to do with strength at all.

[powmongo]

If you didn't notice this thread was about beginners or amateur lifters. They usually concentrate on technique and power, which to them is something mystical, nothing to do with strength at all.

Yeah I did notice it was about beginners and amatuers..Olympic weightlifting is mostly an amatuer sport where lifters live off of the stipends or rewards given to them by their respective federations. It is an amatuer sport on an International level much more so than powerfliting. So amatuer is a relative term. Which brings me back to my original point that Olympic weightlifters focus on developing technique and functional mobility then absolute strength, but do develop strength along the way all with the goal of increasing the rate at which force can be produced. Powerlifting is SLOW compared to Olympic weightlifitng and if you like you can look up the diffrences in the watts of power a maximum effort a Olympic weightlifter produces in a snatch or clean and jerk compared to max effort squat, bench or deadlift.

[Bensauce]

Squinky is a most likely a troll.

Red box delivered.

[ChecksandGiggles]

So weak!

[GoJu]

Powerlifting is SLOW compared to Olympic weightlifitng and if you like you can look up the diffrences in the watts of power a maximum effort a Olympic weightlifter produces in a snatch or clean and jerk compared to max effort squat, bench or deadlift.

[slowman41]

I learned form Shin-Ho Kang a coach who has produced Olympic and World Champions and helped develop the Korean system of training. I also have been/are involved in coaching 2 Olympians (one of whom is a medalist).

are you a wizard?





srsly though, pretty cool stuff man.

[powmongo]

For those who don't understand the fundamental differences between Olympic weightlifting and Powerlifitng...

Force= mass x acceleration

Power= Force x Distance, divided by time

Strength= force x distance

simply put power equates to the rate at which one can generate force through a specific period if time (like the amount of force one can generate on a bar to lift it form the floor to overhead). Strength is the amount of force one can generate. Olympic lifting and Powerlifting are polar opposite extremes of these expressions.

[GoJu]

For those who don't understand the fundamental differences between Olympic weightlifting and Powerlifitng...

Force= mass x acceleration

Power= Force x Distance, divided by time

Strength= force x distance

simply put power equates to the rate at which one can generate force through a specific period if time (like the amount of force one can generate on a bar to lift it form the floor to overhead). Strength is the amount of force one can generate. Olympic lifting and Powerlifting are polar opposite extremes of these expressions.

1. I'm student of engineering so I don't need a physics lesson

2. You can spout off the name of Kim Tyhoon's coach all you like, it doesn't change the fact that blanket statements like OL is FAST and PL is SLOW are beyond stupid

[gbg]

1. I'm student of engineering so I don't need a physics lesson

2. You can spout off the name of Kim Tyhoon's coach all you like, it doesn't change the fact that blanket statements like OL is FAST and PL is SLOW are beyond stupid

Why would you be so rude for absolutely no reason? that was totally uncalled for GoJu, show a little respect.

[GoJu]

Why would you be so rude for absolutely no reason? that was totally uncalled for GoJu, show a little respect.

because I hate the crossfit-esque elitist attitude held by some olympic lifters

because some people should know better

they should earn respect by doing as such

in the general sense powmongo is correct that the OL lifts have the potential to be faster lifts than PL ones, the snatch is the fastest movement in sports for a reason, however he fails to realize that PLers performing their craft are moving the bar as fast as possible even on grinders, it just so happens that its so heavy the 'slow'-ness is all you see, watch bolton again doing speed deadlifts with 245kg



slow?

[J.L.C.]

1. I'm student of engineering so I don't need a physics lesson

2. You can spout off the name of Kim Tyhoon's coach all you like, it doesn't change the fact that blanket statements like OL is FAST and PL is SLOW are beyond stupid

Are you trying to say the bar was moving fast in that video?

[GoJu]

Are you trying to say the bar was moving fast in that video?

that was one of the fastest deadlifts I've ever seen, considering its the all time world record makes it more impressive, what video where you watching?

[J.L.C.]

that was one of the fastest deadlifts I've ever seen, considering its the all time world record makes it more impressive, what video where you watching?

Same video, but calling the bar speed fast on that deadlift, relative to the bar speed of a WR snatch, clean, or jerk, doesn't make sense to me.

[GoJu]

Same video, but calling the bar speed fast on that deadlift, relative to the bar speed of a WR snatch, clean, or jerk, doesn't make sense to me.

it wasn't fast relative to a snatch or clean&jerk but to call it slow by any and all means is asinine

[powmongo]

because I hate the crossfit-esque elitist attitude held by some olympic lifters

because some people should know better

they should earn respect by doing as such

in the general sense powmongo is correct that the OL lifts have the potential to be faster lifts than PL ones, the snatch is the fastest movement in sports for a reason, however he fails to realize that PLers performing their craft are moving the bar as fast as possible even on grinders, it just so happens that its so heavy the 'slow'-ness is all you see, watch bolton again doing speed deadlifts with 245kg



slow?

Again you fail to scientifically back up anything you say. Powerlifting is slow compared to Olympic weightlifting when comparing power output or watts of power produced. All you can say is that your an engineer and yet fail to understand 4th grade science. Powerlifters do not have to produce the power Olympic lifters do becasue they are not pulling a bar form the floor to overhead (squating under a barbell while it rises) which requires a much more amount of barbell acceleration than powerlifters need to produce. I have coached a world Champion female teenager who at 15 sqauted 463 and deadlifted 429. this same teen went on to Olympic lifting and made 3 Jr. World Teams. So I know the differences of both. Again I will implore you to look up the amount of power (watts) a maximum effort clean and jerk or snatch produces, as compared to a maximum effort bench, squat or deadlift. start with the encyclopedia of weigtlifting by arthur dreschler, or explosive lifting for sports by harvey newton, those books can help you get started.

[GoJu]

Again you fail to scientifically back up anything you say. Powerlifting is slow compared to Olympic weightlifting when comparing power output or watts of power produced. All you can say is that your an engineer and yet fail to understand 4th grade science. Powerlifters do not have to produce the power Olympic lifters do becasue they are not pulling a bar form the floor to overhead (squating under a barbell while it rises) which requires a much more amount of barbell acceleration than powerlifters need to produce. I have coached a world Champion female teenager who at 15 sqauted 463 and deadlifted 429. this same teen went on to Olympic lifting and made 3 Jr. World Teams. So I know the differences of both. Again I will implore you to look up the amount of power (watts) a maximum effort clean and jerk or snatch produces, as compared to a maximum effort bench, squat or deadlift. start with the encyclopedia of weigtlifting by arthur dreschler, or explosive lifting for sports by harvey newton, those books can help you get started.

I have dreschler's book (and again I don't need a physics lesson, I know what watts are), and you're misinterpretting what I'm saying; I'm NOT disagreeing with you that the weightlifter's movements produce more power than the powerlifters but you've changed your tune in the sense that now we're referring to comparison of maximum efforts between the 2 sports vs before when you were discussing the two in absolute terms, the powerlifter is NOT going 'slow' on purpose which is what your original posts implied and what I disagreed with

[J.L.C.]

it wasn't fast relative to a snatch or clean&jerk but to call it slow by any and all means is asinine

I thought the whole argument was speed/power of OL vs PL?

[GoJu]

I thought the whole argument was speed/power of OL vs PL?

all I was arguing was that powmongo was wrong to call PL slow in the general sense, in mathematics usually some sort of proof of a theorem's contradiction in one way is enough to prove it wrong in the general sense that's what I sought to do with the bolton vids; if we are going to speed/power output of OL vs PL than there is no question that the OLer is better in that area vs say his weightclass equivalent in PL but that isn't what I was arguing about.

[3rd pull]

could we argue about something that could ultimately help us add weight to the bar?

[gbg]

could we argue about something that could ultimately help us add weight to the bar?

Soon a s Goju gets his panties untied they have seemed to gotten all tied up for no apparent reason.

[GoJu]

Soon a s Goju gets his panties untied they have seemed to gotten all tied up for no apparent reason.

lol, says u with the intricate neg

[slowman41]

couldn't one argue that if a PL'r lifts the bar slow, the lift just takes a little longer, where as when an OL'r lifts the bar, if he's slow he misses the lift?

Maybe I'm misinterpreting the argument, but in OL speed is a necessity, where as with PL it's not as much.

[GoJu]

couldn't one argue that if a PL'r lifts the bar slow, the lift just takes a little longer, where as when an OL'r lifts the bar, if he's slow he misses the lift?

Maybe I'm misinterpreting the argument, but in OL speed is a necessity, where as with PL it's not as much.

that's assuming the PLer lifts slow on purpose, which he doesn't, speed is just as much a necessity in PL, its just that you're seeing the lift as slow when the PLer is pulling, pressing, or squatting as fast as possible; its just not gonna go fast cause its heavy

[slowman41]

that's assuming the PLer lifts slow on purpose, which he doesn't, speed is just as much a necessity in PL, its just that you're seeing the lift as slow when the PLer is pulling, pressing, or squatting as fast as possible; its just not gonna go fast cause its heavy

I suppose...

The way I see it though is if a PL guy is slow or gets slow during the lift its a grind and a battle but he can still make it. An OL guy would miss that lift. Thats not assuming anyone is "lifting slow on purpose", its just an obvious.

[GqArtguy]

I have dreschler's book (and again I don't need a physics lesson, I know what watts are), and you're misinterpretting what I'm saying; I'm NOT disagreeing with you that the weightlifter's movements produce more power than the powerlifters but you've changed your tune in the sense that now we're referring to comparison of maximum efforts between the 2 sports vs before when you were discussing the two in absolute terms, the powerlifter is NOT going 'slow' on purpose which is what your original posts implied and what I disagreed with

He never said that PLers were going slow on purpose. He originally said "Powerlifting is SLOW compared to Olympic weightlifitng and if you like you can look up the diffrences in the watts of power a maximum effort a Olympic weightlifter produces in a snatch or clean and jerk compared to max effort squat, bench or deadlift."

Thats true and is consistent with everything hes posted since that comment so Im not sure where youre seeing a change in tune. You interpreted as PLers lifting a bar slow on purpose but powmongo has been talking about force, acceleration, power, etc. and you havent addressed those comments when quoting him, but rather talk about how you dont need a lesson.

[Fury22]

ooooh drama drama