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    CUTTING DIET

    M1: 1 cup of Oatmeal, 2 scoops of Whey protein, 20G of natural fat.

    M2: 1 cup of Oatmeal, 2 scoops of Whey protein, 20G of natural fat.


    M3: Beef patty @ 15% fat.

    M4: Beef patty @ 15% fat.

    M5: Can of Tuna or 3-4 Hardboiled Eggs + 20 Grams of natural fat (natural peanut butter)

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    This is my cutting diet. Roughly 1800-2000 calories.
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    Originally Posted by Dhampir View Post
    CUTTING DIET

    M1: 1 cup of Whey protein, 2 scoops of Oatmeal, 20G of natural fat.

    M2: 1 cup of Whey protein, 2 scoops of Oatmeal, 20G of natural fat.


    M3: Beef patty @ 15% fat.

    M4: Beef patty @ 15% fat.

    M5: Can of Tuna or 3-4 Hardboiled Eggs + 20 Grams of natural fat (natural peanut butter)
    what are you aiming to achieve? Why are you only eatintg carbs in the morning? Also where are your vitamins and minerals? Wheres the fibre?
    I think ur diet is pretty crap and boring. I could never stick to it myslef as everything is the same!
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    Looks like too much fat to me.

    You have over 60 grams of fat off of just 3 meals, and also are getting more from the beef or eggs...

    How many Cal is your diet for? I see at least 80 grams of fat daily...if you aren't eating 2500 Cal or more, this is probably too much fat.

    Also, 3-4 eggs or tuna...those aren't interchangeable. The eggs have way more fat than tuna (if in spring water). If you eat the eggs, don't eat the peanut butter.
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    Too high protein to carbs ratio.
    What is 2 scoops?
    You need some sugar pwo, not just protein and fat.
    Throw some fiber one cereal or similar in the morning meal for fiber.
    Take fish oil if you don't want a nasty shake.
    Eat a salad with lots of olive oil.
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    Originally Posted by Dhampir View Post
    CUTTING DIET

    M1: 1 cup of Whey protein, 2 scoops of Oatmeal, 20G of natural fat.

    M2: 1 cup of Whey protein, 2 scoops of Oatmeal, 20G of natural fat.


    M3: Beef patty @ 15% fat.

    M4: Beef patty @ 15% fat.

    M5: Can of Tuna or 3-4 Hardboiled Eggs + 20 Grams of natural fat (natural peanut butter)
    Bulking or cutting? What is you weight?

    Are all of the "natural fats" from peanut butter? Might get bland throw in some nuts, cook some chicken in olive oil etc. Try and substitute at least one beef patty for a chicken breast. For meal two why not change it to 2-4 slices of whole wheat toast, 2 tbsp peanut butter and a 500ml of milk? Add some veggies somewhere in there too, they are not filling and are good for you.

    Looks better than what most people come up with their first time.
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    Originally Posted by PickItUp View Post
    Looks like too much fat to me.

    You have over 60 grams of fat off of just 3 meals, and also are getting more from the beef or eggs...

    How many Cal is your diet for? I see at least 80 grams of fat daily...if you aren't eating 2500 Cal or more, this is probably too much fat.

    Also, 3-4 eggs or tuna...those aren't interchangeable. The eggs have way more fat than tuna (if in spring water). If you eat the eggs, don't eat the peanut butter.

    80g of fat isn't bad for him depending on his weight. .5g of fat per pound is usually the agreed amount of fat. So if he weighed 160 he would be fine. However if he is 120 you are right he needs to lower it a bit.
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    crappy and boring. add some fruits, veggies, and more variety overall
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    Originally Posted by AlexMac7 View Post
    80g of fat isn't bad for him depending on his weight. .5g of fat per pound is usually the agreed amount of fat. So if he weighed 160 he would be fine. However if he is 120 you are right he needs to lower it a bit.
    I've never heard of a rule of thumb for fat...I'll look into that. I had always looked at the total Cal intake for the day, and limited the fat to 30% (or less) of this.

    So for 2000 Cal, your fat should not be over 67g daily.

    If you are on keto, then of course this will change...but for most people who aren't on keto, the recommendation is a 40/40/20 while cutting (this seems to be the golden ratio around here). That's only 20% of calories from fat, and at 2000 Cal, this is only 44g of fat.

    To be this clean on a cut and consume 80g of fat, you need to eat 3600 Cal daily. If you are cutting, and eating 3600 Cal daily, I hope you are over 300lbs...

    Again, this all goes back to the OP's goals. We need more info before we can give really sound advice. What is the goal. What is the starting point?
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    Originally Posted by PickItUp View Post
    I've never heard of a rule of thumb for fat...I'll look into that. I had always looked at the total Cal intake for the day, and limited the fat to 30% (or less) of this.

    So for 2000 Cal, your fat should not be over 67g daily.

    If you are on keto, then of course this will change...but for most people who aren't on keto, the recommendation is a 40/40/20 while cutting (this seems to be the golden ratio around here). That's only 20% of calories from fat, and at 2000 Cal, this is only 44g of fat.

    To be this clean on a cut and consume 80g of fat, you need to eat 3600 Cal daily. If you are cutting, and eating 3600 Cal daily, I hope you are over 300lbs...

    Again, this all goes back to the OP's goals. We need more info before we can give really sound advice. What is the goal. What is the starting point?
    Agreed, it depends if he is cutting or bulking.
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    Hi.

    I'm doing a cutting diet. THe only carbs I get in are my first to meals, or protein shakes. I blend the oats with the shake. so I'm getting about 320 calories on Carbs alone...


    800 Calories in Protein, total.
    800 calories in Fat.
    And a little bit in Carbs.


    Reason is, when I am sort of doing a semi keto diet. Keeping the carbs low and protein/fat calories high.

    If I eat Hardboiled eggs, I do not include peanutbutter at the end of the day.
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    Originally Posted by AtTheWall View Post
    What is 2 scoops?
    Generally 1 scoop is ~20g of protein. From what I understand, at least.
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    Originally Posted by AtTheWall View Post
    Too high protein to carbs ratio.
    What is 2 scoops?
    You need some sugar pwo, not just protein and fat.
    Throw some fiber one cereal or similar in the morning meal for fiber.
    Take fish oil if you don't want a nasty shake.
    Eat a salad with lots of olive oil.
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    Originally Posted by Dhampir View Post
    I'm doing a cutting diet. THe only carbs I get in are my first to meals, or protein shakes. I blend the oats with the shake. so I'm getting about 320 calories on Carbs alone...


    800 Calories in Protein, total.
    800 calories in Fat.
    And a little bit in Carbs.


    Reason is, when I am sort of doing a semi keto diet. Keeping the carbs low and protein/fat calories high.

    If I eat Hardboiled eggs, I do not include peanutbutter at the end of the day.
    I don't think you understand ketosis.
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    Originally Posted by JeRSeY KiD 3 View Post
    I don't think you understand ketosis.
    Can you explain? Not sure what you mean there.
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    Originally Posted by Dhampir View Post
    Can you explain? Not sure what you mean there.
    2 cups oatmeal means you will never enter ketosis.

    also the diet is terrible. one of the worse I have ever seen. You need fruit, veggies, fiber, micros, more varied sources of protein, more variety in general.
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    Originally Posted by Dhampir View Post
    Can you explain? Not sure what you mean there.
    "The premise of the diet is high protein (about 1- 1 1/2 gram per pound), moderate fat (about 1/2 g per lb) and low low carbs (no direct sources of carbs). During this diet, the brain goes into ketosis (it uses ketone bodies for energy-- fats) and thus the energy requirements by the body can almost all be supplied by fats (which you'll be taking in plenty of). The only activity that uses carbs will be the weight workout which may use 40grams per workout. You will get these 40g indirectly through the foods you'll be eating. As a backup, the cheat meal you'll be having once per week will provide a storehouse of glycogen (glucose) in case of emergency. So, you see, very little gluconeogenesis in the liver will be occurring. If we keep cortisol low (by restricting STIMULANTS) we'll ensure that muscle is spared!"

    No direct sources of carbs in a keto diet. Can't go into a semi ketosis state.
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    Crash diet in few weeks, no fun at all.

    Your missing out to much vegetables & fruits, which in turn provides vitamins/minerals and add EFA (essential fatty acid) from fish oil (omega-3).

    Someone recommend sugar for PWO, but any type of carbohydrate will do.
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    Originally Posted by Opies View Post
    2 cups oatmeal means you will never enter ketosis.

    also the diet is terrible. one of the worse I have ever seen. You need fruit, veggies, fiber, micros, more varied sources of protein, more variety in general.

    I believe there is fiber in oatmeal, but I am not sure. Why more varied sources of protein.. I have 3... Whey, Fish, Ground Beef.. I even eat Steak sometimes. Is there a special purpose for needing 4+ different types of protein? Well technically, if you include the protein in Oatmeal and Peanutbutter, that would be 5 Different sources of protein. Are you suggesting I have 6 or 7?

    I do not eat fruit to keep my insulin levels low, in fact, my diet has zero sugar. I am going for a cut. Some say you need Sugars PWO but I have found this not really necessary. Despite that, I usually get sugars from the small amount of ketchup or steak sauce I use on proteins.
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    Originally Posted by Vietgoboi View Post
    Crash diet in few weeks, no fun at all.

    Your missing out to much vegetables & fruits, which in turn provides vitamins/minerals and add EFA (essential fatty acid) from fish oil (omega-3).

    Someone recommend sugar for PWO, but any type of carbohydrate will do.
    What does the Fish oil do? I've heard of this. Does Tuna contain the "Essential Omega 3's" - and if so, does that not cover it?

    I agree on the vegtable inclusion. I might just need to do that. I am lazy when it comes to preparing vegtables.
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    Originally Posted by JeRSeY KiD 3 View Post
    "The premise of the diet is high protein (about 1- 1 1/2 gram per pound), moderate fat (about 1/2 g per lb) and low low carbs (no direct sources of carbs). During this diet, the brain goes into ketosis (it uses ketone bodies for energy-- fats) and thus the energy requirements by the body can almost all be supplied by fats (which you'll be taking in plenty of). The only activity that uses carbs will be the weight workout which may use 40grams per workout. You will get these 40g indirectly through the foods you'll be eating. As a backup, the cheat meal you'll be having once per week will provide a storehouse of glycogen (glucose) in case of emergency. So, you see, very little gluconeogenesis in the liver will be occurring. If we keep cortisol low (by restricting STIMULANTS) we'll ensure that muscle is spared!"

    No direct sources of carbs in a keto diet. Can't go into a semi ketosis state.
    I see. I meant Semi-ketosis as in, Low Carbs. My diet was originally planed 40/40/20 - I took out the Carbs for the last 3 meals, as the cutting phase slows down. Eventually, to acheive maximum results, I will cut out all carbs completely, going into a full "Ketosis"

    Thats what I meant by Semi-ketosis. Or should I have said, a "Near Ketosis" diet..


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