Got Called out on my Deadlift form

[BredFromFire]

by a decently intelligent guy when it comes to lifting, but i'm not sure if he's right about what he calls the correct form. my back was arched a little too much for my second set (think it was like 325x3 or something)


he said that deadlifts should be done with a wider grip, beggining with the back perfectly straight, but the legs outward in a squatting position away from each other. basically, combining the width of the grip with the position of the back from the start, to the squat-like stance, it completely isolated my quadriceps for the workout and felt awkward and wrong, but I'm not sure.


is it true you don't use ANY back in propper deadlifting and is the correction the guy gave me the right way to deadlift?

[henryrox]

Erectors and lats hold up the weight at the top of the lift but for the pull its mostly glutes/hams.

[mikevall]

seems like u were doing it fine? i was always taught at school back arched, chest sticking out and look up at the ceiling

[trav333]

i do them similar to that as in i use a squat like stance, but it doesnt completely isolate my legs. i also squeeze my back muscles throughout the rep. but im not an expert so i dont know, i just do them however they r most comfortable for mei also keep chest up back arched

[BredFromFire]

Erectors and lats hold up the weight at the top of the lift but for the pull its mostly glutes/hams.

that's my concern, my hamstrings and glutes couldn't do anything. it felt like an atg squat almost when i tried the way the guy showed me.

seems like u were doing it fine? i was always taught at school back arched, chest sticking out and look up at the ceiling

fine i would not say for this particular lift. my back was arched more than usual, and he had the right idea telling me that, but what im thinking is that his correction to my form is wrong.

[Ka0s]

by a decently intelligent guy when it comes to lifting, but i'm not sure if he's right about what he calls the correct form. my back was arched a little too much for my second set (think it was like 325x3 or something)


he said that deadlifts should be done with a wider grip, beggining with the back perfectly straight, but the legs outward in a squatting position away from each other. basically, combining the width of the grip with the position of the back from the start, to the squat-like stance, it completely isolated my quadriceps for the workout and felt awkward and wrong, but I'm not sure.


is it true you don't use ANY back in propper deadlifting and is the correction the guy gave me the right way to deadlift?

completely and totally false. watch any conventional DL'er and see how they do. it's almost always the same - quads break it off the floor, then all back the rest of the way

will post vids momentarily

[Ka0s]

3 of the greatest DLers ever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh-ikyBAQr8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5groVHlMkRE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrltZ6vAgxQ

[baddog671]

A guy called out my DL form the other week aswell. I'm going to listen to him since I spot him for his 280lb CGBP all the time...

[Ka0s]

A guy called out my DL form the other week aswell. I'm going to listen to him since I spot him for his 280lb CGBP all the time...

clearly, a 280lb CGBP = good deadlift advice

[BredFromFire]

completely and totally false. watch any conventional DL'er and see how they do. it's almost always the same - quads break it off the floor, then all back the rest of the way

will post vids momentarily

3 of the greatest DLers ever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh-ikyBAQr8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5groVHlMkRE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrltZ6vAgxQ

excellent picks for DLers. js.

and yeah that's normally how i'd deadlift.

[baddog671]

clearly, a 280lb CGBP = good deadlift advice

He's alot stronger than me on everything, minus DB bench becuase his shoulder is fuked. I admire his mass becuase it's similar to what I'm striving for. I only used his 280 CGBP as an example becuase I don't pay attention to other weights he pushes. 280 is impressive, doesnt matter

[Ka0s]

excellent picks for DLers. js.

and yeah that's normally how i'd deadlift.

i'm working on it as well. it is difficult to keep your lower back arched yet your upper back rounded but it def. pays off......

[BredFromFire]

He's alot stronger than me on everything, minus DB bench becuase his shoulder is fuked. I admire his mass becuase it's similar to what I'm striving for. I only used his 280 CGBP as an example becuase I don't pay attention to other weights he pushes. 280 is impressive, doesnt matter

i'm guessing he's got some swole-ass triceps?

[BeyondThePain]

I had a similar situation. When i was deadlifting 265 Lbs for 5 reps last workout. This dude had a belt with him at my gym and gave it to me and told me i should use it because i was lifting heavy and my form was a bit weak. I told him no, and said i had never used one before. But he insisted and told me it is terrible for my back. Should I start using a belt? I almost told the guy to just f*ck off and where your own pussy belt.

[BredFromFire]

I had a similar situation. When i was deadlifting 265 Lbs for 5 reps last workout. This dude had a belt with him at my gym and gave it to me and told me i should use it because i was lifting heavy and my form was a bit weak. I told him no, and said i had never used one before. But he insisted and told me it is terrible for my back. Should I start using a belt? I almost told the guy to just f*ck off and where your own pussy belt.

lol at pussy belt.

nah, belts aren't like the "pussy pads" for squatting, a lot of guys use them. it protects you from arching your back and doesn't give you any extra power, so its basically just a safety measure.

[Tyjim]

clearly, a 280lb CGBP = good deadlift advice

lol

Yeah.. Some guy barbell curls 205 pounds at my gym, so I let him show me correct form for deficit deadlifts.

0_o

[Ka0s]

belts give your abs something to push out against as youre lifting to increase intra abdominal pressure, w/e



i dont use one at all; if i had one i would wear it for squats, but not deads.

[Ka0s]

lol

Yeah.. Some guy barbell curls 205 pounds at my gym, so I let him show me correct form for deficit deadlifts.

0_o

I saw a guy doing barbell rows with 405, so naturally i let him fill out my income tax returns..

[BredFromFire]

belts give your abs something to push out against as youre lifting to increase intra abdominal pressure, w/e



i dont use one at all; if i had one i would wear it for squats, but not deads.

they're not too expensive at some places, you should pick one up sometime. definitely helps me feel better mentally while squatting and sometimes deadlifting (im a guy who gets that "fml" feeling while in the middle of multipe sets of a compound).

[BredFromFire]

I saw a guy doing barbell rows with 405, so naturally i let him fill out my income tax returns..

no way, i saw a guy lateral raising 120 dumbells, so naturally i let him watch my little brother on weekends.

[Ka0s]

they're not too expensive at some places, you should pick one up sometime. definitely helps me feel better mentally while squatting and sometimes deadlifting (im a guy who gets that "fml" feeling while in the middle of multipe sets of a compound).

i feel like it would **** up my pull if it was too tight, etc.


for squat i would def. wear one. i am too lazy to look for it then go pick it up =(

[Ka0s]

no way, i saw a guy lateral raising 120 dumbells, so naturally i let him watch my little brother on weekends.

wise choice, your bro is gonna have some huge delts mang

[BredFromFire]

wise choice, your bro is gonna have some huge delts mang

yeah, i knew he was perfect for the job cause his car had this neon green license plate that said "state issued: predator" on it. clearly a reference to arnold's acting days, i knew he was a bro.

[malcore1991]

by a decently intelligent guy when it comes to lifting, but i'm not sure if he's right about what he calls the correct form. my back was arched a little too much for my second set (think it was like 325x3 or something)


he said that deadlifts should be done with a wider grip, beggining with the back perfectly straight, but the legs outward in a squatting position away from each other. basically, combining the width of the grip with the position of the back from the start, to the squat-like stance, it completely isolated my quadriceps for the workout and felt awkward and wrong, but I'm not sure.


is it true you don't use ANY back in propper deadlifting and is the correction the guy gave me the right way to deadlift?

it wouldn't make any sense not to use any back in the deadlift... it's a back exercise. Romanian style atleast

[JZT]

The deadlift isn't like the squat or the bench press.

Bad form on the bench or the squat makes the lift easier.

Bad form on the deadlift makes the lift harder.

If you go above parallel on the squat, the ROM is decreased, therefore the lift isn't nearly as hard as ATG. Same thing with people going down 6 inches on the bench.

On the other hand, if you don't use good form on the deadlift, you're making the lift harder and if you correct your form you'll just pull more weight. So saying ''Your deadlift form is off, the lift dosen't count'' is very foolish.

[BeyondThePain]

i think im going to get a belt for my squat

[Ka0s]

The deadlift isn't like the squat or the bench press.

Bad form on the bench or the squat makes the lift easier.

Bad form on the deadlift makes the lift harder.

If you go above parallel on the squat, the ROM is decreased, therefore the lift isn't nearly as hard as ATG. Same thing with people going down 6 inches on the bench.

On the other hand, if you don't use good form on the deadlift, you're making the lift harder and if you correct your form you'll just pull more weight. So saying ''Your deadlift form is off, the lift dosen't count'' is very foolish.

please explain. if "bad form" on the squat refers to shortening the ROM, i could make the same argument and say that shortening the ROM of the deadlift (not locking out or deadlift to knees) is one example of bad form that makes the lift easier.

[JZT]

please explain. if "bad form" on the squat refers to shortening the ROM, i could make the same argument and say that shortening the ROM of the deadlift (not locking out or deadlift to knees) is one example of bad form that makes the lift easier.

I'm talking about the fact that some people round their backs on the deadlift, or don't roll the bar on their shins/thighs, this just extends the ROM making the lift harder.

As for the squat, I'm not getting into the parallel vs ATG argument, but I think we can all agree that a squat above parallel ''bad form'') isn't as demanding as an ATG or parallel squat.

[Ka0s]

I'm talking about the fact that some people round their backs on the deadlift, or don't roll the bar on their shins/thighs, this just extends the ROM making the lift harder.

As for the squat, I'm not getting into the parallel vs ATG argument, but I think we can all agree that a squat above parallel ''bad form'') isn't as demanding as an ATG or parallel squat.

exactly but you're comparing apples to oranges.


you SHOULD be comparing short-ROM (half) squats to short-ROM deads
you SHOULD be comparing round back squats to round back deads

it makes no sense to compare a half squat to a round back dead because the degree or kind of cheating is different in both lifts...




BTW check out konstantinovs WR pull - upper back is rounded

[JZT]

exactly but you're comparing apples to oranges.


you SHOULD be comparing short-ROM (half) squats to short-ROM deads
you SHOULD be comparing round back squats to round back deads

it makes no sense to compare a half squat to a round back dead because the degree or kind of cheating is different in both lifts...




BTW check out konstantinovs WR pull - upper back is rounded

Oh well I don't think you understoof what I was trying to say, but in my book someone's deadlift is legit as long as:

The bar starts on the ground.
The person locks out.

As long as he dosen't get injured doing the lift (round back, etc.) it should be fine.