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07-24-2009, 08:33 AM #61
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07-24-2009, 08:39 AM #62
Mad about what? Actually Oreilly is my favorite program talking head, buddy. But there is a place for everything.
The discription of the forum says, "slightly off topic" discussions. How is race topics "slightly" off topic?
Just curious. Maybe the description of this forum should be changed.
If that is considered slightly off topic I'll go elsewhere on the board, no sweat.Last edited by queloque; 07-24-2009 at 08:42 AM.
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07-24-2009, 08:45 AM #63
i read reading blue-line (police mag) yesterday and there was an article called "Driving While Black". the article talked about people pulling the race card and getting to the point ill parphrase the interesting part:
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07-24-2009, 08:45 AM #64
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07-24-2009, 08:50 AM #65
Fair enough. I didn't come here to start trouble, just looking for some supplement info. I was just surprised at the discussion and usually topics like that get out of hand and it often gives people an excuse to start jumping on cultural groups for one person's behavior who are of that group.
I definately didn't expect my rep points to be hacked when I spend a lot of my time here trying to help people with some advice.Last edited by queloque; 07-24-2009 at 08:52 AM.
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07-24-2009, 04:59 PM #72
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I think this rather neatly demonstrates how little people knew what they were getting when they elected Obama. The man has a lot of steel, no question and very clearly has little no interest in passivity. Good for him.
Make no mistake, whatever you might want to think as far as second-guessing Obama's remarks, that he intended them exactly as he said them and meant them. He's no dummy; he knew what was going to happen when he dropped that bomb and went forward despite or possibly because of it. His comment probably made the situation worse but he 100% intended to do that very thing.
There's no need to chase down and re-hash the treatment various so-called "minorities" have experienced in America historically and this shows, at least to me, that people are really not interested in confronting the idea that a lot of that ill behavior is still alive and well in this shiny new age in which we find ourselves. Obama wants to discuss this. I approve. It sure as Hell beats the promised race riot...
So, what does Obama see? A personal friend of his getting the shaft from "the man" and it's one more in a long series of similar events that were wholly are partly racially motivated and it's not going to go down while he's President and a member of that racial group without him speaking on behalf of his friend. Is this really so odd? Would you not take the word of your friends and back them? In a way, I think he is trying to get to an ultimately better place long-term while igniting things short-term, sort of bringing the phoenix to fire so it can burn and be re-born anew...
I see a lot of commentary here about how cops should be able to do this and that and what people would do themselves if they were cops. A lot of that commentary reminds me of how police act in police states, not how they should be acting in free countries. Putting a uniform and badge on someone does not make them right more often than anyone else or honestly entitle them to jack sh!t. Them acting like it does is why you see a rise of militant-ism. They are perfectly capable of being wrong and evidently were here and the reason I say this is that the situation is not uncommon. People lock themselves out of their houses and cars all the time and police are generally good about being helpful and diffusing the situation when that happens, not escalating it. For whatever reason here, this officer chose to either escalate the situation or allowed it to become escalated. In doing so, he became responsible for this current debacle. When police come on the scene, they generally become the authorities of the situation. The guidance of this one is very suspect.
People make mistakes and since I wasn't there, I'm not going to say what the officer did or didn't do wrong, outside of what I've outlined. Sometimes things shake out wrong, whether you meant them to or not. The best thing he could say is that he regrets the way it has spiraled out of control and that he could have handled it better, whether he did anything incorrectly or not. Instead, the cops seem intent on continuing a firefight, which itself is an interesting tact...
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07-24-2009, 05:04 PM #73
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This is a meaningless quote without better numbers...I love statistics like this...
I asked white police how many times they got powdered jelly-filled doughnuts instead of ones that were chocolate frosted and the answer was 88%...I asked black police the same question and they gave me a strange look and told me to get the fuck on and stop bothering them with dumb shit...
Example of the race card on the part of the white cops and their white doughnuts...?Ongoing Journal: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=106420991
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Honestly this should have never been a race issue, the officers didn't want to see his ID because he was black but to prove he was actually breaking into his own house. Refusing to show ID in this case I think would be reason enough to give the guy a pair of shiny new bracelets no matter the race, color, creed, religion, or any other reason you can think of.
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Sure, there are racists on both sides, but only one side has the power (and our current President does not change that overall balance). The stance of the activists who spend a lot of time on race issues seem to feel that bigotism and racism is no longer the ugliness and straightforwardness of calling someone colored a nigger openly, but now is far more subtle and insidious so as to be detected less and to get into that vaunted grey area where it can still be alive and well and flourish...I think they are correct, because once it gets to that grey area, it sometimes becomes really difficult to say with certainty what the motivations at play are.
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07-24-2009, 05:12 PM #76
From all the press that I've seen and read the "Cops" have every right to be pissed by this situation. Obama stuck his nose into a situation that he admittedly had no facts on but made a statement of calling the Police organization of acting on stupidity. Professor Gates immediately pulled the race card and turned the situation into more then it needed to be. I have all the respect in the world for Professor Gates being at Harvard, but if you read the transcripts he sounds like your average street thug using terms that would piss off any cop, "Your Momma", etc. He's lucky he didn't get a nice little tune up in my book.
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07-25-2009, 06:46 AM #77
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07-25-2009, 11:12 AM #81
Agreed, Obama shouldnt have even answered that question cause anything he says is gonna be spun and used against him in some fashion. Plus hes got alot bigger fish to fry.
The fact is the guy was warned by the cop several times to calm down or he would be arrested. When he didnt calm down they slapped the cuffs on. That would happen to anyone in that situation there is nothing racist about what that cop did.
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07-25-2009, 11:19 AM #82
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07-25-2009, 11:58 AM #88
Obama is a socialist with an agenda to socialize America so we look like every (failed) economy in the EU. He knows most of us won't like this when implemented and many see it coming now. Distracting us with some lightweight racial nonsense will allow the newspapers to focus on something other than his egregious, health care reform ideas. He wants to tax the heck out of people and lies about who it will effect. He sets capricious and arbitrary deadlines for the legislature to "pass things or else" and encourages folks to vote for stuff (his stuff) without having read bills in their entirety or allowing for time to debate or ask questions.
Obama is smart - I admit this - despite my visceral dislike for him and his ilk.
His numbers are slipping fast -despite this trillion bucks in "stimulus" crap unemployment is hovering close to 10%. He's going to have to answer for all this pretty soon and then he won't be able to get jack squat done with the legislature because any senator/rep in line with him will eventually be seen as toxic (and self preservation being the 1st and ultimate goal in politics...none of these guys are gonna stick their necks out for him when his numbers get lower).
A recent poll says he would be in a dead heat today with Mitt Romney. I love Mitt but no way he is going to ever get elected president (Steve Forbes on the other hand...).
Obama knows he needs to "socialize" us as much as possible as fast as possible because in 6-12 months he won't be able to get this done.
A distraction like this Gates chap is perfect timing for him. Could not have happened at a better time.
"Here, talk about race in a post-racial society and look over there while I tax you into oblivion, destroy capitalism and small business and create an even bigger welfare state over here."
Magicians do the same thing - slight of hands.
Remember the song, "Barak the Magic Negro?" - there you have it.
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07-25-2009, 12:00 PM #89
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07-25-2009, 12:01 PM #90
Beer, the universal problem solver. Now the only question is if they are going to drink a Budweiser or Colt45 (no beer related racial profiling intended):
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNe...56O1O420090725
Black scholar agrees to beer with Obama, policeman
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A prominent black Harvard University scholar has accepted an invitation to have a beer with President Barack Obama and the white police officer who arrested him in a racially charged case.
Professor Henry Louis Gates said Saturday he was willing to have a peace-making beer with Obama and Cambridge, Massachusetts, police Sgt. James Crowley.
Gates was arrested last week at his home after a neighbor called police to say that a man was breaking into the house. Obama said Cambridge police had "acted stupidly," prompting an outcry from police groups and a resulting media blitz.
Obama later telephoned both men and, on Crowley's suggestion, invited the two to the White House for a beer.
"I am pleased that he, too, is eager to use my experience as a teaching moment, and if meeting Sgt. Crowley for a beer with the president will further that end, then I would be happy to oblige," Gates said in a statement on TheRoot.com, an Internet newsletter he edits.
Gates said he hoped his arrest would help reduce racial profiling by law enforcement agencies.
(Reporting by David Lawder; Editing by Doina Chiacu)
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