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    ITT: the ATF can knock on my door but cops cant question illegals.

    i see it every day, about 50 or 60 hispanics loitering outside a home depot or lowes hardware store. everyone knows they are mostly illegals, but cops/ICE cant go up and request proof of citizenship. yet the ATF can come and knock on my door and question me about my recent firearm purchases. how does that make sense?

    the illegal sympathizers' defense is that cops/ICE dont have probable cause to ask, yet the ATF can ask about my firearms with no probable cause. the ATF says that my purchase of multiple firearms in a given period of time is suspicious enough to warrant questioning, yet a bunch of hispanics loitering outside a hardware store isnt suspicious enough.

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    you can thanks the liberals for that garbage.
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    Originally Posted by leafs43 View Post
    Because you pay for the ATF's services, thus they are serving you!


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    and i dont pay for ICE's services?
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    Originally Posted by otisthebat View Post
    and i dont pay for ICE's services?
    Well ICE and INS can come up and ask you proof of citizenship I believe.
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    Originally Posted by leafs43 View Post
    Well ICE and INS can come up and ask you proof of citizenship I believe.
    but they dont. because im white, work for the city, own a home, and have a social security number. not very suspicious.

    im not advocating ICE driving up to a mexican guy sitting at a bus stop and asking for papers.
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    Originally Posted by otisthebat View Post
    i see it every day, about 50 or 60 hispanics loitering outside a home depot or lowes hardware store. everyone knows they are mostly illegals, but cops/ICE cant go up and request proof of citizenship. yet the ATF can come and knock on my door and question me about my recent firearm purchases. how does that make sense?
    Wrong! First, if they're truly "loitering" the owner/manager can report it to the cops where they can deal with the situation according to the law. As for the ATF asking question you have the right not to answer. And second, it doesn't have to make sense, when it's the law. Next time the ATF ask you questions about your firearm purchase, just remind them of the Second Amendment and say you're exercising your Constitutional rights.

    the illegal sympathizers' defense is that cops/ICE dont have probable cause to ask, yet the ATF can ask about my firearms with no probable cause. the ATF says that my purchase of multiple firearms in a given period of time is suspicious enough to warrant questioning, yet a bunch of hispanics loitering outside a hardware store isnt suspicious enough. thoughts?
    First, if they were white and loitering outside a hardware store would it still be suspicious? And second, they're not "illegal sympathizers," they're supporters of the rights and freedom we all enjoy and should support in this country.
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    Originally Posted by KRANE View Post
    Wrong! First, if they're truly "loitering" the owner/manager can report it to the cops where they can deal with the situation according to the law.
    the police cant ask for proof of citizenship. so the cops will show up, the loiterers will get a ticket that they wont pay because they will use a fake name or just not pay it. then they will be back tomorrow. the problem still exists.

    First, if they were white and loitering outside a hardware store would it still be suspicious? And second, they're not "illegal sympathizers," they're supporters of the rights and freedom we all enjoy and should support in this country.
    not as suspicious because ive never heard of or seen a white illegal immigrant looking for work in a home depot parking lot.

    and they are sympathizers, because they want the illegals to be entitled to all the services and freedoms that citizens have.
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    Originally Posted by otisthebat View Post
    i see it every day, about 50 or 60 hispanics loitering outside a home depot or lowes hardware store. everyone knows they are mostly illegals, but cops/ICE cant go up and request proof of citizenship. yet the ATF can come and knock on my door and question me about my recent firearm purchases. how does that make sense?

    the illegal sympathizers' defense is that cops/ICE dont have probable cause to ask, yet the ATF can ask about my firearms with no probable cause. the ATF says that my purchase of multiple firearms in a given period of time is suspicious enough to warrant questioning, yet a bunch of hispanics loitering outside a hardware store isnt suspicious enough.

    thoughts?
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    Originally Posted by otisthebat View Post
    the police cant ask for proof of citizenship. so the cops will show up, the loiterers will get a ticket that they wont pay because they will use a fake name or just not pay it. then they will be back tomorrow. the problem still exists.
    Wrong again. Cops can ask for I.D.; and loitering can be an arrestable offense.



    not as suspicious because ive never heard of or seen a white illegal immigrant looking for work in a home depot parking lot.
    Funny how that works isn't it?

    and they are sympathizers, because they want the illegals to be entitled to all the services and freedoms that citizens have.
    No they do not. They don't want people mistreated. There's a difference. Now end this, and stop blaming others for your problems.
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    Easy solution, get the illegals to buy the guns for you then the ATF, etc wouldnt know WTF to do
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    Originally Posted by KRANE View Post
    Wrong again. Cops can ask for I.D.; and loitering can be an arrestable offense.
    cops can ask, you dont have to give it.


    Funny how that works isn't it?
    im not sure where you are going with that.

    No they do not. They don't want people mistreated. There's a difference. Now end this, and stop blaming others for your problems.
    so wanting to give illegals healthcare, welfare, housing, etc. isnt sympathizing? mistreated? they are criminals and they should be treated as such.

    and who should i blame if not other people? how is it my fault that the ATF can question me about my guns?

    i dont understand how you can be ok with paying for illegals to have these things out of your own pocket
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    Originally Posted by otisthebat View Post
    i see it every day, about 50 or 60 hispanics loitering outside a home depot or lowes hardware store. everyone knows they are mostly illegals, but cops/ICE cant go up and request proof of citizenship. yet the ATF can come and knock on my door and question me about my recent firearm purchases. how does that make sense?

    the illegal sympathizers' defense is that cops/ICE dont have probable cause to ask, yet the ATF can ask about my firearms with no probable cause. the ATF says that my purchase of multiple firearms in a given period of time is suspicious enough to warrant questioning, yet a bunch of hispanics loitering outside a hardware store isnt suspicious enough.

    thoughts?


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    Originally Posted by otisthebat View Post
    cops can ask, you dont have to give it.




    im not sure where you are going with that.



    so wanting to give illegals healthcare, welfare, housing, etc. isnt sympathizing? mistreated? they are criminals and they should be treated as such.

    and who should i blame if not other people? how is it my fault that the ATF can question me about my guns?

    i dont understand how you can be ok with paying for illegals to have these things out of your own pocket
    You're being intransigent. These questions have already been answered.
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    Originally Posted by otisthebat View Post
    i see it every day, about 50 or 60 hispanics loitering outside a home depot or lowes hardware store. everyone knows they are mostly illegals, but cops/ICE cant go up and request proof of citizenship. yet the ATF can come and knock on my door and question me about my recent firearm purchases. how does that make sense?

    the illegal sympathizers' defense is that cops/ICE dont have probable cause to ask, yet the ATF can ask about my firearms with no probable cause. the ATF says that my purchase of multiple firearms in a given period of time is suspicious enough to warrant questioning, yet a bunch of hispanics loitering outside a hardware store isnt suspicious enough.

    thoughts?

    complaining accomplishes nothing. arson however, does. And last time I checked, you were a firefighter.
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    Originally Posted by otisthebat View Post
    i see it every day, about 50 or 60 hispanics loitering outside a home depot or lowes hardware store. everyone knows they are mostly illegals, but cops/ICE cant go up and request proof of citizenship. yet the ATF can come and knock on my door and question me about my recent firearm purchases. how does that make sense?

    the illegal sympathizers' defense is that cops/ICE dont have probable cause to ask, yet the ATF can ask about my firearms with no probable cause. the ATF says that my purchase of multiple firearms in a given period of time is suspicious enough to warrant questioning, yet a bunch of hispanics loitering outside a hardware store isnt suspicious enough.

    thoughts?
    so apparently this was correct after all.

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    Originally Posted by rockyl686 View Post
    so apparently this was correct after all.

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=117407001
    yes, they have been making house visits in houston. i only figured it was a matter of time before they came to my place, but the address the guns are registered to is my parents' house. so they went to my parents' place, and talked to my dad. they asked for me and he told them that i dont live there anymore. they asked for my current address and he closed the door.
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    Originally Posted by otisthebat View Post
    i see it every day, about 50 or 60 hispanics loitering outside a home depot or lowes hardware store. everyone knows they are mostly illegals, but cops/ICE cant go up and request proof of citizenship. yet the ATF can come and knock on my door and question me about my recent firearm purchases. how does that make sense?

    the illegal sympathizers' defense is that cops/ICE dont have probable cause to ask, yet the ATF can ask about my firearms with no probable cause. the ATF says that my purchase of multiple firearms in a given period of time is suspicious enough to warrant questioning, yet a bunch of hispanics loitering outside a hardware store isnt suspicious enough.

    thoughts?
    sample case

    San Mateo California

    Lots of illegals looking for work use to hang around certain street corners between 3 and 4th avenue close to the 7-11 store.

    Someone decides to build a large apartment complex in the same area where illegals hang out.

    Certain someone decides it may be difficult to rent apartments with lots of illegals hanging around and the rubbish they bring with and leave behind.

    Solution, despite budget problems, the city of San Mateo builds a workers resource center (at a cost of so that illegals can go there and wait to get picked up by employers. Certain illegals are not that keen on the idea as they think it's a trap, so they go back to hanging out on the street corners and whenever they see a police vehicle, they just move along and police are under instructions not to challenge them.

    http://www.samaritanhouse.com/new/pr...esources.shtml

    The Worker Resource Center provides an alternative location for temporary laborers and potential employers to meet for work. Managed by Samaritan House and funded by the City of San Mateo, the Worker Resource Center opened in 2003 with the goal of providing a safe place for employers and employees to meet.
    I walked my dog through a park one night in San Mateo at 10.05pm, you are supposed to be out of the park by 10pm. 2 police vehicles come up and stop and question me as to why I am still in the park

    I should have just spoken Spanish to them.
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    I don't like the idea of the government asking for identification from anyone. Sounds a tad too Orwellian for my tastes. But, the ATF shouldn't be allowed to randomly question you either.
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    Originally Posted by JustAnotherUser View Post
    I don't like the idea of the government asking for identification from anyone.
    even if youre a suspected criminal?
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    Originally Posted by otisthebat View Post
    even if youre a suspected criminal?
    Unless the cops have more suspicion than someone looking like they might be doing something wrong, then yes. If there's a murder suspect on the loose, and you look like the guy, then that's a different story.
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    Originally Posted by JustAnotherUser View Post
    I don't like the idea of the government asking for identification from anyone. Sounds a tad too Orwellian for my tastes. But, the ATF shouldn't be allowed to randomly question you either.
    There's nothing illegal about asking a question or for identification.
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    Originally Posted by otisthebat View Post
    i see it every day, about 50 or 60 hispanics loitering outside a home depot or lowes hardware store. everyone knows they are mostly illegals, but cops/ICE cant go up and request proof of citizenship. yet the ATF can come and knock on my door and question me about my recent firearm purchases. how does that make sense?

    the illegal sympathizers' defense is that cops/ICE dont have probable cause to ask, yet the ATF can ask about my firearms with no probable cause. the ATF says that my purchase of multiple firearms in a given period of time is suspicious enough to warrant questioning, yet a bunch of hispanics loitering outside a hardware store isnt suspicious enough.

    thoughts?
    Its quite sick, isn't it?
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    Originally Posted by KRANE View Post
    There's nothing illegal about asking a question or for identification.
    That's true. But it's your right to refuse. If we don't fight for the rights that we do have, they get chipped away at, and lost forever.
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    Originally Posted by KRANE View Post
    There's nothing illegal about asking a question or for identification.
    not illegal, but sometimes not allowed because it could be considered profiling.
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    Originally Posted by otisthebat View Post
    not illegal, but sometimes not allowed because it could be considered profiling.
    who cares if they are offended?
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    Originally Posted by ...Rousseau... View Post
    who cares if they are offended?
    illegal sympathizers.
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    illegal sympathizers.
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