Is it true that you can't gain muscle while losing weight?

[w3ll5y]

Hey Guys,

I have a friend who keeps telling me that you cant gain muscle while losing weight and I keep telling him i am gaining muscle and i am losing weight... He still wont listen to me and tries to make it a competition between him and me. Its getting annoying and i want some peace of mind from someone who actually knows... Im quite happy if you prove me wrong aswell but you have to PROVE IT!!

[NevaBackdown]

u cant unless u have really goood genes

qoute "Question: Can I lose fat and gain muscle at the same time?

Answer: Unfortunately, losing fat and gaining muscle are conflicting goals. Building muscle requires eating more calories than you burn while losing fat requires eating less calories than you burn. When you're trying to lose fat and reducing calories, you won't be taking in the number of calories your muscles would need to grow larger.

That isn't to say that if you lose fat, you have to lose muscle too or that you can't get stronger while trying to lose weight. If you follow a balanced program that includes cardio, strength training and flexibility and make sure you're getting adequate protein, you're on the right track.

When it comes to setting your goals, you can either choose to gain muscle or to lose fat. You could even split your goals goals into different phases--a fat-loss phase (in which you also preserve muscle mass) and a muscle-building phase. But, what you can't do is go after muscle-building and fat loss all at the same time. Learn more about building muscle and fat loss. " end qoute

btw its only possible for noob gains it can only get u so far

[w3ll5y]

u cant unless u have really goood genes

qoute "Question: Can I lose fat and gain muscle at the same time?

Answer: Unfortunately, losing fat and gaining muscle are conflicting goals. Building muscle requires eating more calories than you burn while losing fat requires eating less calories than you burn. When you're trying to lose fat and reducing calories, you won't be taking in the number of calories your muscles would need to grow larger.

That isn't to say that if you lose fat, you have to lose muscle too or that you can't get stronger while trying to lose weight. If you follow a balanced program that includes cardio, strength training and flexibility and make sure you're getting adequate protein, you're on the right track.

When it comes to setting your goals, you can either choose to gain muscle or to lose fat. You could even split your goals goals into different phases--a fat-loss phase (in which you also preserve muscle mass) and a muscle-building phase. But, what you can't do is go after muscle-building and fat loss all at the same time. Learn more about building muscle and fat loss. " end qoute

btw its only possible for noob gains it can only get u so far

Where did you get all this information from. You could have made this up. Still doesnt resolve the issue!

[NevaBackdown]

Where did you get all this information from. You could have made this up. Still doesnt resolve the issue!

http://exercise.about.com/od/weightl...atgainmusc.htm

http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/research/gain.htm

man ur stubborn

http://bodybuilding.about.com/od/bod...atgainmass.htm

[w3ll5y]

Well these websites contradict that:

(findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1608/is_6_19/ai_102140895)

It is possible you just have to have the right diet and do the right exercise. It is still possible though and on that bombshell i rest my case!!!!

[NevaBackdown]

Well these websites contradict that:

(findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1608/is_6_19/ai_102140895)

It is possible you just have to have the right diet and do the right exercise. It is still possible though and on that bombshell i rest my case!!!!

ok
good luck
i d love to see ur bench press hit 200 kg on that diet and a 8 pack
good luck

[goracer]

I am doing it. To win the bet you will need to do body measurements. You will also need a BF% tool. He will most likley go by scale weight and won't understand staying the same weight is loosing fat and gaining muscle.

Pick up the latest muscle & fit mag from Vshoppe. One of the girls in there gained scale weight but lost 4" on her waist and gained 2" on her back. Yeah, I would call that fat loss and muscle gain.

[w3ll5y]

I am doing it. To win the bet you will need to do body measurements. You will also need a BF% tool. He will most likley go by scale weight and won't understand staying the same weight is loosing fat and gaining muscle.

Pick up the latest muscle & fit mag from Vshoppe. One of the girls in there gained scale weight but lost 4" on her waist and gained 2" on her back. Yeah, I would call that fat loss and muscle gain.

Thanks mate! Like me i have stayed at 97kg but lost 5cm round my waist and gained 2 inches on my arms... I have also noticed the difference in fat in my body aswell. Like i look alot less fat but i have stayed the same weight i guess through muscle gain.

[Hotmoltenlava]

If anyone asks the question that OP did, the answer is Yes, No and Depends.

It is impossible to gain muscle and lose weight at the exact moment in time......I'll say it one more time.....the EXACT moment in time, due to the laws of thermodynamics, but it is possible to do so over a period of weeks, months and years. Essentially, you are losing weight at some points and gaining mass at other points, over the course of time.
The law of thermodynamics that applies here in layman's terms is that you can't create something from nothing (something being muscle and nothing meaning a deficit of calories).

It is very hard to find the correct balance in diet and training, but I and others have been able to do it over the course of time. Some call it culking (combination of cutting and bulking). You can achieve this easily by doing calorie cycling, where you eat 500 cals or so over your maintenance for 3-4 days and then eat 500 cals or so under your maintenance for 3-4 days, in addition to weight training. Or you can do it by accident, by overeating at key moments where muscle is created, while eating low enough at other moments to lose weight in a deficit.

[rkh38]

I think the act of building muscle helps facilitate the burning of fat. The more exercise you do and more weights you lift will eventually the leave the body a choice of whether to burn fat or muscle. It would most always love to burn fat first, but if you don't watch your diet closely, it will breakdown your muscle and use protein for fuel.

[AWhislyle]

Did you just start working out? Then it is possible.

[rkh38]

Also if you favor more endurance cardio over weight training, then you risk burning muscle protein.

[gbone74]

I have never seen anyone who is really muscular get it by losing fat,they do one or the other no one ever got huge arms and massive shoulders on a diet

[w3ll5y]

thanks for the imput guys.
Yeah i think its definetely possible if you cycle your calories and ****.

[baarat]

Someone that has low body fat to begin with and is trying to build muscle and lose fat will tell you it isn't possible, which for the most part it isn't. People that might be classified as skinny fat or have damaged BMR's and haven't workout in their life, then it can happen...........newbie gains.

[Tid0ra]

hmmm.. as tj said it contradicts eachother.. cutting requires under calorie deficit and vice versa for bulking..

if your a noob and just begin hitting the weights u can do both... but after 6 months or so the muscle building progress slows down.. thats known as noob gains..

unless you cycle your calories awesomely you can slowly lose fat while very very very slowly gain muscle...

go have a look at pictures of pros when they are in their off season

[NevaBackdown]

Did you just start working out? Then it is possible.

agree to that
noob gains

[goracer]

Mine could be newbie results. I add to calorie intake on weight days and deficit on rest days. I have cut out sugar almost completely (well as much as possible) and little low good carbs, allthough mostly on weight days. On cut days it's fish, veggies, water and protein.

[Hotmoltenlava]

Mine could be newbie results. I add to calorie intake on weight days and deficit on rest days. I have cut out sugar almost completely (well as much as possible) and little low good carbs, allthough mostly on weight days. On cut days it's fish, veggies, water and protein.

What you are doing is calorie cycling. You can lose fat and gain muscle with that program.

As far as newb gains.....I think it is caused by newbs not watching their intake closely. They are accidentally calorie cycling. I have no evidence, but it is a good theory.......

[w3ll5y]

Yeah I tend to do that a bit without realising it... It probably is noob gains but now im going to concentrate on cutting down before building muscle..

[NevaBackdown]

What you are doing is calorie cycling. You can lose fat and gain muscle with that program.

As far as newb gains.....I think it is caused by newbs not watching their intake closely. They are accidentally calorie cycling. I have no evidence, but it is a good theory.......

hahah i have to disagree
i did first time i wanted to loose fat
now that i v lost what i want i dnt look at my calories hahah

[want2gainmuscle]

Well put it this way..

A bodybuilder friend of mine uses a low carb diet daily with 1 day a week where he binges himself, eating ANYTHING, and as much of it as he wants.

He's big, and lean.

He gave me the advice that the low carb diet will see good muscle gains as long as you keep your protein intake to 2 grams per kilogram of lean body-weight.
And I have every reason to take his word with the results he has.

BUT. If you're a naturally skinny guy, chances are this won't work, but then again, why would you want to slim down when you don't have to?..

[NevaBackdown]

Well put it this way..

A bodybuilder friend of mine uses a low carb diet daily with 1 day a week where he binges himself, eating ANYTHING, and as much of it as he wants.

He's big, and lean.

He gave me the advice that the low carb diet will see good muscle gains as long as you keep your protein intake to 2 grams per kilogram of lean body-weight.
And I have every reason to take his word with the results he has.

BUT. If you're a naturally skinny guy, chances are this won't work, but then again, why would you want to slim down when you don't have to?..

1. has he always done that his whole body building careeer?
2. is he doing somethin similiar to a ketogenic diet?

[want2gainmuscle]

1/ 18 years

2/ I'm not sure. I have not heard of that diet before.

1. has he always done that his whole body building careeer?
2. is he doing somethin similiar to a ketogenic diet?

[w3ll5y]

Hmm this sounds interesting but i bet he does like mad gym sessions and ****...

[LiftHeavy85]

Well these websites contradict that:

(findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1608/is_6_19/ai_102140895)

It is possible you just have to have the right diet and do the right exercise. It is still possible though and on that bombshell i rest my case!!!!

hey troll



Gain muscle = calorie surplus

Lose weight = calorie deficit


Tell me the problem here


Body recomps...short periods of surplus and deficits take the longest time to achieve and your better off either cutting or bulking.



Good source considering anyone can post an article from that site...might as well have posted a wiki article.

[monatu]

IMO (and its only my opinion and what Iv seen) you can in the very beginning of your training. When I started ~2years ago I went from a fat, flabby undertrained 73kg's to the same weight, but a lot more muscley, slimmer and stronger in about 4-5 months.

Call it bro science or whatever you want, but its what I have experienced.

[want2gainmuscle]

Well he used to have a fully equipped gym, but now just goes to the gym 3 days a week for no longer than 45 minutes.

Hmm this sounds interesting but i bet he does like mad gym sessions and ****...

[LiftHeavy85]

IMO (and its only my opinion and what Iv seen) you can in the very beginning of your training. When I started ~2years ago I went from a fat, flabby undertrained 73kg's to the same weight, but a lot more muscley, slimmer and stronger in about 4-5 months.

Call it bro science or whatever you want, but its what I have experienced.

called newbie gains, everyone experiences it which is why this whole myth exist and only those that have a limited amount of training ask this question.


Everyone that is pass newbie gains knows better.

[NevaBackdown]

hey troll



Gain muscle = calorie surplus

Lose weight = calorie deficit


Tell me the problem here


Body recomps...short periods of surplus and deficits take the longest time to achieve and your better off either cutting or bulking.



Good source considering anyone can post an article from that site...might as well have posted a wiki article.

thank u i was waiting for this
i gave him about 6 articles saying u cant
and then he post 1 articles sayin he can seriously?