Hey I am currently taking st johns wort for depression and anxiety, I notice that it only helps a little bit, just wondering would 5-HTP Probably be better? I also have trouble falling asleep as well. Thanks!
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Thread: 5htp vs st johns wort?
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07-07-2009, 08:11 PM #1
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Try to take a low dose of 5HTP with St. John's Wort. There's a good product out there called Amoryn that combines the 2 that I have used before with good results. This same company also makes an anxiety and sleep agent.
St. John's Wort works similar to an SSRI in that it blocks the reuptake of serotonin, thereby, creating more. 5HTP simply creates more serotonin.
Envision a Ping Pong game. The balls are serotonin and the paddles (the synapse) are supposed to catch the balls and hold on to them. An SSRI or natural alternative like St. John's Wort makes the balls bounce off the paddles and not stick to the paddles. The 5HTP just puts more balls on to the table. Probably a poor analogy but I hope it helps.
In summary, I'd say just try out 5HTP and see what happens. Everyone is different in how they respond. Hope that helps._________________________________________
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07-08-2009, 07:17 PM #4
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07-08-2009, 07:24 PM #5
From experience...
5-HTP is significantly more effective than SJW, 5-HTP is prescribed in parts of Europe as an alternative to SSRI's so it has a pretty proven track record of being effective.
SJW is solid, but it works best when "stacked" IMO, on it's own, I suppose it could treat very minor symptoms on it's own. SJW works well when low dosed with SSRI.
Edit: You would want to avoid using SJW with 5-HTP, as mentioned SJW works in a similar fashion as an SSRI, 5-HTP enhances serotonin production. Increasing serotonin production when using SSRI can lead to serotonin syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin_syndrome), which can be fatal. As always probably best to consult with your physician.Last edited by Vigor; 07-08-2009 at 07:29 PM.
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07-08-2009, 07:31 PM #6
SJW makes your seronin you produce last longer.
5-HTP is the precursor to serotonin, theoretically making you produce more.
SJW has a higher risk of dependency, and does nothing to cure the problem in the long run.
Think of SJW as Steroids, and 5-htp as a T-booster.
one makes u make more serootnin(5htp), the other lowers your production, making the problem worse, but seemingly better.
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Actual:
September 1, 2008: 170 lbs and 15% bf
December 31, 2008: 190 lbs and 18% bf
April 30, 2009: 165 lbs and 11% bf
Goals:
June 23, 2009: 155 lbs and 9% bf
July 2009 = Maintenance phase
August 2009 to December 2009 = Bulking
January 2010 to May 2010 = Cutting
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07-09-2009, 08:41 PM #11
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07-09-2009, 08:42 PM #12
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07-09-2009, 08:44 PM #13
How long have you been taking the SJW?
It takes several weeks before it fully kicks in. I've been on it for close to a year and I'd say it's rather effective. Before this, I was on SSRI's; been taking them for 10+ years. In my experience, SJW does the same damn thing, is much cheaper, and without the sexual side effects. When I was on the SSRI's it was nearly impossible to blow my load. With SJW I'm back to normal.
SJW: Good sh it man. You just have to give it some time.
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