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    Originally Posted by |ceman View Post
    First of all, without research grants from supplement companies, universities would not be spending the tens of thousands needed to properly design and administer a study. The grant money has to come from somewhere. To think otherwise is just being naive.

    And while some research can be bogus, the peer review process ensures that other scientists can review the design, methods, results and conclusions. This helps to ensure that no funny business is going on.

    Keep in mind that a proper clinical to help the consumer should be on the finished product, not on certain key ingredients that may not even exist in the correct doses or extracts in the finished product.

    And finally, repeating the study different times is a good way to ensure that the product does do what it says. Gaspari Nutrition's Novedex XT has been clinically tested, peer reviewed and not just one clinical done, but 3 separate Research trials.

    I'm only aware of one other testosterone booster that even had one clinical done, and none that have had three. And some good bros on the boards telling you some other product is 'awesome' shouldn't count for a hill of beans without some proof to back it up in the form of clinical research.
    The concern I have with ai test boosters is lowering estrogen which can have potential adverse effects such as lowering libido, stiffer joints, and reduced hgh output.

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    The concern I have with ai test boosters is lowering estrogen which can have potential adverse effects such as lowering libido, stiffer joints, and reduced hgh output.
    I could be wrong, but I'm not aware of any other non-hormonal method that has been clinically proven to raise test levels. People claim anecdotally that some herbals do, but everytime they are put to the test clinically, they fail to deliver.

    Like anything else in life, it is a balance and moderation is needed.
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    Originally Posted by |ceman View Post
    I could be wrong, but I'm not aware of any other non-hormonal method that has been clinically proven to raise test levels. People claim anecdotally that some herbals do, but everytime they are put to the test clinically, they fail to deliver.

    Like anything else in life, it is a balance and moderation is needed.
    There is some evidence to suggest Icarin does.

    http://www.asiaandro.com/1008-682X/8/601.htm

    "In the present study, we found that chronic treatment of chemically-induced hypoandrogenic male rats with icariin improved the condition of reproductive organs and increased the circulating level of testosterone. We also found that icariin suppressed the extent of apoptosis of penile cavernosal smooth muscle cells. It seems that icariin possesses testosterone-like activities. However, in the present study, there was no significant difference in serum levels of LH and FSH between ICA group and the others. It seems that icariin mainly affects the testis, but further study is required. "


    Longjack also seems to have alot of promise though to many supps use to low a dose of it.

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    Originally Posted by Guardian View Post
    There is some evidence to suggest Icarin does.

    http://www.asiaandro.com/1008-682X/8/601.htm

    "In the present study, we found that chronic treatment of chemically-induced hypoandrogenic male rats with icariin improved the condition of reproductive organs and increased the circulating level of testosterone. We also found that icariin suppressed the extent of apoptosis of penile cavernosal smooth muscle cells. It seems that icariin possesses testosterone-like activities. However, in the present study, there was no significant difference in serum levels of LH and FSH between ICA group and the others. It seems that icariin mainly affects the testis, but further study is required. "


    Longjack also seems to have alot of promise though to many supps use to low a dose of it.
    I agree with you and like both Icariin and Longjack and I think its bascially just depends on the dose of each.

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    Just recently got "Methyl Test" by Nxlabs.. It's absolutely worthless.. Feel nothing on it, does nothing.

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    need help

    im just now startin my liftin again currently a marine so im tryin to get big before i deploy in feb wat would the best stack be for me i currently weigh 175 and would like to be 200 or so i lift everyday wit some cardio please help new to the lifting game

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    Novedex XT without a doubt

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    Originally Posted by str0kerace View Post
    Only taken 2 testosterone boosters and it was simultaneously. Anabolic Pump and Prime by USPLabs. Didn't notice a single thing with the stack aside from having road rage driving home every damn day with all the retards on the road.

    same here bro, however animal test gave me a little more aggression for me lift but nothing over the top
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    Originally Posted by hitman6952 View Post
    im just now startin my liftin again currently a marine so im tryin to get big before i deploy in feb wat would the best stack be for me i currently weigh 175 and would like to be 200 or so i lift everyday wit some cardio please help new to the lifting game

    if your new to the lifting game id stick with the basics first and get some good NO and creatine (pill or powder doesn't matter) and take about 1.5 grams of protein per pound along with a good diet plan and you should reach your goal before your deployed. its tough to put on weight when your doing cardio too but given the how long you have before your deployed you should be able to do it. id recommend carb loading on your cardio days to combat the effects it could have on ur muscles.
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    Originally Posted by anutharound View Post
    rpn havoc. It's basically a methylated steroid anymore need to be said? Oh btw I had total lack of side effects and felt great without pct. Gained 30 pounds of solid muscle in a month.
    thats pretty impressive bro. what did u use and at what dose?
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    Originally Posted by anutharound View Post
    rpn havoc. It's basically a methylated steroid anymore need to be said? Oh btw I had total lack of side effects and felt great without pct. Gained 30 pounds of solid muscle in a month.
    This is truly the dumbest post I've ever read. I would still suggest you be banned even if you weren't cookie stuffing on top of your ****ty post.

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    A few months ago, I had some success with Novedex XT. Recently, I've considered trying Hyperdrol X2 (Anabolic Xtreme), Super Test (The Beast), or possibly T-911 (LG). Anyone with experience with the latter 3 I've mentioned?
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    Originally Posted by TNote View Post
    lol. neither are test boosters

    strong placebo
    So what are some real testosterone boosters, are there any that are not placebo?

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    Originally Posted by str0kerace View Post
    So what are some real testosterone boosters, are there any that are not placebo?
    Jungle Warfare is a steroid and things like ATD/Novedex XT, 6-oxo and other aromatase inhibitators should increase your testosterone levels. So I guess those are. Personally I haven't used either.

    Feel kinda weird to see images on guys who haven't had much of a great success judging from the photos who have still managed to go thru a long list.... Impressive! Must be totally worth it ..

    If I didn't worked out at a gym which actually tested people I would be somewhat interested in trying something but I'm not sure it would be worth the health risks, and what good is a nice body anyway when you are dead?

    I'd rather get decent results natural and have something to be proud off, rather that than having taking all **** there is and still look like crap. Lots of powerlifters prove that hard work for years with big weights and lots of food give progress. People could try that first.


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    Diesel Test Pro-cycle had two pro-hormones in it so I guess that may work to. I'm not sure it's some pro-hormones which are worth taking though ...

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    Originally Posted by aliquis View Post
    Jungle Warfare is a steroid and things like ATD/Novedex XT, 6-oxo and other aromatase inhibitators should increase your testosterone levels. So I guess those are. Personally I haven't used either.

    Feel kinda weird to see images on guys who haven't had much of a great success judging from the photos who have still managed to go thru a long list.... Impressive! Must be totally worth it ..

    If I didn't worked out at a gym which actually tested people I would be somewhat interested in trying something but I'm not sure it would be worth the health risks, and what good is a nice body anyway when you are dead?

    I'd rather get decent results natural and have something to be proud off, rather that than having taking all **** there is and still look like crap. Lots of powerlifters prove that hard work for years with big weights and lots of food give progress. People could try that first.


    "Uhh, I've trained for 2 years, am 18 year old and seem to have got stuck! I need some more testosterone!"
    I've also wondered how many other supps I've gotten throughout the years like even protein or bcaa's that were nothing at all...

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    I've also wondered how many other supps I've gotten throughout the years like even protein or bcaa's that were nothing at all...
    Getting enough protein is a basic. Whole foods are always best, but a powdered protein is better than no protein at all. And BCAAs have definite benefits on muscle protein synthesis. It has been proven. I wouldn't consider them bunk at all. There are some supplements out there that are pretty sketchy, but protein and amino acids aren't in that category.
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    Sustain Alpha and Phyto-Test can be counted amongst the best.

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    Sustain Alpha and Phyto-Test can be counted amongst the best.
    speaking as a consumer and not as a representative, i'm confident that the sublingual sustain alpha (once released) won't be counted amongst, so much as it'll be considered the best...

    yes... i said it.

    i honestly can't recall a time when i ever looked forward to the release of a supplement with such enthusiasm and anticipation.

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    Originally Posted by _Smitty_ View Post
    speaking as a consumer and not as a representative, i'm confident that the sublingual sustain alpha (once released) won't be counted amongst, so much as it'll be considered the best...

    yes... i said it.

    i honestly can't recall a time when i ever looked forward to the release of a supplement with such enthusiasm and anticipation.
    When is this scheduled for release?

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    When is this scheduled for release?
    no definitive ETA just yet, but the big dogs mentioned that it won't be too long.

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    I'm turning 19 this year and i believe this is the best time to start on a testosterone booster. anyone know of or had good results with armiatest? I plan on stacking Armiatest, Hexaghen and eNoxide..i'd like to hear from you guys first though.

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    Originally Posted by yianni01 View Post
    I'm turning 19 this year and i believe this is the best time to start on a testosterone booster. anyone know of or had good results with armiatest? I plan on stacking Armiatest, Hexaghen and eNoxide..i'd like to hear from you guys first though.
    You really don't need any test boosters until your mid 20s at the earliest. Your test levels are at the peak of your entire life right now. Focus instead on proper diet and basic supplementation. I realize it isn't as "sexy", but that's where the success lies - the basics and consistency.
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    Originally Posted by yianni01 View Post
    I'm turning 19 this year and i believe this is the best time to start on a testosterone booster. anyone know of or had good results with armiatest? I plan on stacking Armiatest, Hexaghen and eNoxide..i'd like to hear from you guys first though.
    i agree completely with iceman's post.

    i am curious as to why you "believe this is the best time", though, if you feel like disclosing...

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    When is this scheduled for release?
    I have everything here to get it on the site but right now we are working on a few things that need to be done first. I hope to have this ready for the 1st but no set ETA

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    T-911 by LG Sciences has given me huge results in the gym, the bedroom, and in my overall "swagger." I plan on making it a staple of my training routine, along with protein, BCAAs, fish oil, and ZMA.

    I've also heard good things about Activate Xtreme in the gym and online but haven't tried it. When it's time for me to take a break from T-911 I will probably give it a shot.

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    I hope to have this ready for the 1st but no set ETA

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    whether it's up by the 1st or not, knowing its release is coming quite soon just made my day.

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