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    Originally Posted by Jrahe42 View Post
    to say he is one of the worst in the mlb is just retarded

    5 rings what?
    What the hell does him having rings have to do with the fact he's insanely over rated defensively?
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    just curious ... youve never heard of a player being a better hitter at home just because hes playing at home

    home field advantage?

    miguel cabrera-

    home- .348 BA 19 HRs, 1.019 OPS
    away- .302 BA 15 HRs, .871 OPS

    oh i forgot comerica park is such a hitters ballpark so that MUST be the reason he hits better at home

    lol wut?
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    Originally Posted by Animal_Strength View Post
    just curious ... youve never heard of a player being a better hitter at home just because hes playing at home

    home field advantage?

    miguel cabrera-

    home- .348 BA 19 HRs, 1.019 OPS
    away- .302 BA 15 HRs, .871 OPS

    oh i forgot comerica park is such a hitters ballpark so that MUST be the reason he hits better at home

    lol wut?


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    Originally Posted by NDame616 View Post
    What the hell does him having rings have to do with the fact he's insanely over rated defensively?
    8 errors in 150 games played. yeah terrible defensive player. I know hes not the best at his position but hes far from the worst
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    Originally Posted by NDame616 View Post
    Jeter was about the 4th or 5th best defensive SS in the AL this season, and he has won the gold glove while being one of the worst defensive players in baseball (not just at his position)

    Epic fail.
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    Originally Posted by Animal_Strength View Post
    just curious ... youve never heard of a player being a better hitter at home just because hes playing at home

    home field advantage?

    miguel cabrera-

    home- .348 BA 19 HRs, 1.019 OPS
    away- .302 BA 15 HRs, .871 OPS

    oh i forgot comerica park is such a hitters ballpark so that MUST be the reason he hits better at home

    lol wut?
    seriously
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    Originally Posted by Jrahe42 View Post
    8 errors in 150 games played. yeah terrible defensive player. I know hes not the best at his position but hes far from the worst
    So you're saying he doesn't deserve the gold glove.

    And lol @ errors being an accurate reflection of a player defensively.

    Derek Jeter ranked last on Bill James' +/- scale (look it up) years he won the gold glove. I'm pretty sure there was a year he won it where he was literally the worst defensive player in baseball.

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    Originally Posted by NDame616 View Post
    So you're saying he doesn't deserve the gold glove.

    And lol @ errors being an accurate reflection of a player defensively.

    Derek Jeter ranked last on Bill James' +/- scale (look it up) years he won the gold glove. I'm pretty sure there was a year he won it where he was literally the worst defensive player in baseball.



    You turning into a Yankee fan all of a sudden? wtf.......

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    ok....what's wrong with Bill Jame's +/- scale now....?
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    Originally Posted by NDame616 View Post
    Do I bother with a "what have you done this century" comment, or not? Because the Sox are up 2-1 in that category

    Yankees 27
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    Yankees 27
    Red Sox, Celtics, Bruins and Patriots 31

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    Originally Posted by DA_MOSS View Post
    Yankees 27
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    Yankees 27
    Red Sox, Celtics, Bruins and Patriots 31

    jus saying
    .....the Yankees have won 27 rings this century?

    I must've slept really well last night!
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    Originally Posted by GodsWork View Post
    Because you can't always use some statistic to compare who the better SS is.
    no sh!t sherlock, which is why Bill James' +/- is a good measure because it evaluates every single play using speed of the ball, defensive placement, skill of play reletive to what an "average" SS can play, enters the data into a computer and see how good or bad a player is defensively.

    The Fielding Bible is hated by Yankee fans because all it does is show how grossly over rated Jeter is defensively. And I'm gonna guess you have no clue what it is.....
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    Originally Posted by NDame616 View Post
    .....the Yankees have won 27 rings this century?

    I must've slept really well last night!
    nope .... be happy with your 7 .. it'll be a while til you get another

    lulz at the Yanks almost having as many rings as Boston as a whole
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    Originally Posted by DA_MOSS View Post
    nope .... be happy with your 7 .. it'll be a while til you get another

    lulz at the Yanks almost having as many rings as Boston as a whole
    So I was comparing how many rings they've won this century and once again Yankee fans come back with "10, 40, an 70 years ago we were a dynasty!!!!"

    Where's Saalty to talk about how Red Sox fans live in the past....?
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    Originally Posted by NDame616 View Post
    ok....what's wrong with Bill Jame's +/- scale now....?
    like I said many times before, the sabermetric bull**** is for nerds that have never played the game therefore look for an edge in determining how good a player is.
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    last time i checked, the year 2000 was a part of this century, so therefore the yankees have 2 world series rings.
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    Originally Posted by Grind4Mine View Post
    like I said many times before, the sabermetric bull**** is for nerds that have never played the game therefore look for an edge in determining how good a player is.
    So then by this statement who should evaluate how good a player is? Ex-players......?

    Computers and math is the only way to fairly look at how good/bad a player is. You mad?
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    boston has as many rings this century as the yankees so in all reality your making a huge arguement over a tie in # of championships. Pretty sad when you cling to and are oversatisfied with a tie
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    you seem awfully obsessed with fielding ndame for a fan of a team that included mike lowell, david ortiz, jacoby ellsbury and jason bay.
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    Originally Posted by NDame616 View Post
    So I was comparing how many rings they've won this century and once again Yankee fans come back with "10, 40, an 70 years ago we were a dynasty!!!!"

    Where's Saalty to talk about how Red Sox fans live in the past....?
    im talking about your entire city as a franchise.. the Celtics, Patriots, Bruins and Red Sox.. 27-31 just saying

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    Originally Posted by NDame616 View Post
    So then by this statement who should evaluate how good a player is? Ex-players......?

    Computers and math is the only way to fairly look at how good/bad a player is. You mad?
    I have officially seen the most retarded statement in my history on these boards

    nerds with 0 baseball experience under their belt sitting behind a computer and churning out prospect stats in order to find out who to draft, nevermind I won't even get into it the stupidity is obvious
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    Originally Posted by NDame616 View Post
    So then by this statement who should evaluate how good a player is? Ex-players......?

    Computers and math is the only way to fairly look at how good/bad a player is. You mad?
    I wish I hadn't just wasted my time reading this thread. You obviously have never played a sport. There are guys with intangibles. Jeter has them. There is something about Jeter that is special. You can't always put your finger on it. He's clutch, he's a leader, and that is as valuable as anything you can have on your team.

    Baseball is not a computer and neither are athletes. It comes down to timely hitting, pitching, and fielding. Anyone who doesn't view it that way has never played the game.

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    last time i checked, the year 2000 was a part of this century, so therefore the yankees have 2 world series rings.
    The 21st Century started on January 1, 2001.

    There was no "Year Zero".

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    Even though i hate the yankees, Jeter is pretty good.
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    Originally Posted by brudman View Post
    I wish I hadn't just wasted my time reading this thread. You obviously have never played a sport. There are guys with intangibles. Jeter has them. There is something about Jeter that is special. You can't always put your finger on it. He's clutch, he's a leader, and that is as valuable as anything you can have on your team.

    Baseball is not a computer and neither are athletes. It comes down to timely hitting, pitching, and fielding. Anyone who doesn't view it that way has never played the game.

    /Your stupid arguments
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    Intangibles.

    Good ol' Captain Intangibles!

    Jeter won the GG as the worst fielding player in baseball.

    You mad?
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    Oh Lord...here we go with Derek Jeter and the "intangibles" debate.

    Whenever you're losing an argument over a Derek Jeter discussion, just throw out the "BUT HE'Z GOT TEH INTANGIBLEZ!!!!" card. Hell, Joe Buck and Tim McYankee do it all the time.
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    Originally Posted by Animal_Strength View Post
    you seem awfully obsessed with fielding ndame for a fan of a team that included mike lowell, david ortiz, jacoby ellsbury and jason bay.
    Plese tell me what the Red Sox not having a good defense has to do with Jeter being over rated defensively.

    You're making it seem like *I* put the Sox defense together.....
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    Originally Posted by Grind4Mine View Post
    I have officially seen the most retarded statement in my history on these boards

    nerds with 0 baseball experience under their belt sitting behind a computer and churning out prospect stats in order to find out who to draft, nevermind I won't even get into it the stupidity is obvious
    Well you're fukking retarded because it's the way the game is managed and evaluated now. GMs are looking at SABR stats and +/- for defense more than "oh gee, Nick Markakis drove in 100 RBIs!!"

    It's the new age of stats and advanced scouts, GMs, even broadcasters talk about it. It isn't some small group of people talking about SABR anymore you fool.

    brb claiming because Jeter didn't have a lot of errors, talking abotu how he's the best defensive SS everrrrrrrrrrrrrr because he caught a ball and took 18 steps then fell into the stands at The Toilet.

    And how stupid are you. wtf do you think the combine is? Do you follow football at all? Scouts watch 3000 hours of a player and if he is .001 off in the 40 or misses 4 reps in the 225 bench press, it could cost him 6 draft spots and millions. So SABR is absurd, but having a lifting/running competetion is how these guys are drafted makes sense.
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    Originally Posted by NDame616 View Post
    You're making it seem like *I* put the Sox defense together.....
    well we finally found out who ndame is, and what his business is.....
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    argue all you want but jeter will go down as the best SS in history. not best defensively, but best all around. and certainly best offensively. in 20 years you're going to look back at tell your kids how privileged you were to watch jeter play
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