THE......Definitive Runner's Thread!

[Gabbar99]

what size shoe do you wear? I run trail in 14 Altra Superiors. Size 13 Instinct for road.

Love both of those shoes.

I wear 16 or 17. 16 really because as limited as the selection is in 16, it drops off to almost nothing in 17. I have some size 16 NB1260v2 that I've been trying to stretch because they're too short in the toes. My NB1540 (Herman Munster boots) size 16 are perfect. I just got some NB Minimus trail shoes in size 15. They're great for driving because they're so thin and give me more room at the pedals, but I'm nervous about running in them because my toes are pressed up against the end. I'll try them for some short trail runs if it ever thaws.

I'd love to try the Altra. If I could get some size 14 for 10 bucks I'd do it just to see if they work. Maybe cut the toes out.

[Gabbar99]

I'd love to try the Altra. If I could get some size 14 for 10 bucks I'd do it just to see if they work. Maybe cut the toes out.

I just bought some Newton size 15 for $16.90 with free shipping from runningwarehouse. They are forefoot emphasis shoes and pretty lightweight. They might not fit and maybe not the greatest for a 270 lb guy, but for 17 bucks why not try it?

[alwayschestday]

"Apparently the squishyness really saves your legs on ultras, especially on downhills.

New Balance and some other big brands have come out with squishy shoes, although not as squishy as Hoka, in response and I might try some of those, e.g. New Balance fresh foam."

I may actually buy a pair of these also. I would think there not racing shoes per say, but a very comfortable distance thing for us regular shmos. I would think the bigger and heavier and more problems u have with joints, the better these shoes are going to be for you. Hey maybe At 6'5 270 they may turn you into a marathonist. going to be pretty hard for these shoes to be bad for you so I like my chances unlike the super minimalist crackpot idea shoes.

[Gabbar99]

At 6'5 270 they may turn you into a marathonist. going to be pretty hard for these shoes to be bad for you so I like my chances unlike the super minimalist crackpot idea shoes.

I've done four marathons and plan on another in the fall. I wear pretty serious shoes, New Balance 1540 now:
http://cdn3.volusion.com/hydyz.mnodg...M1540BK1-2.jpg

and similar shoes in previous marathons.

I'm trying out some other shoes, including minimalist shoes, for a change of pace and to strengthen my feet, but I pretty much need those serious shoes for long runs.

Until I moved back to the north 1.5 years ago and was forced onto the roads in winter, I ran 99% of my miles on trails.

edit: well, apparently I don't know how to imbed an image.

[BluesPreacher]

Hi!

I don't mean to hijack--sorry--but I saw the thread and I would like to join in.

First, to introduce myself:
Name: Andy
Age: 59

I started running--we called it jogging then--in '68 with my dad, when I was 12. Only a mile or two at a time. Since then my running has been "off and on". It's on now, and it was on big-time 4-5 years ago when I ran several 5K's and 10K's, a marathon, a 50K and I did 4 triathlons--3 sprints and an Olympic. That was up until 2013 when medical bad-stuff hit (surgeries, complications, pain...), when I had to quit. I tried re-starting several times, but asthma stopped me. I finally found the right pulmonologist, one who really zeroed in on my problem and didn't "phone things in", and I'm re-building now. Slowly, but re-building.

I'm what you could call a turtle. SLOW!! I'm confident that once I take the weight back off again--five years ago I got down to the low 210's, lowest since high school, then when I had medical trouble and couldn't work out (and ate like a lumberjack) I ballooned up to about 287, and I'm on my way back down again thanks to running 4x/week and doing All Pro weight training--I'll be faster, but never blistering speed. For example my PR in the 5K is 30 min. + change.

Overall goals:
1.) Lose weight. Maybe this time down to 200 or just over.
2.) Be healthy. I have a 10 year old son, and a wife, and they need me around.
3.) Look better. I've always been big, never ripped, and it would be nice to at least look fit if not get at least a little ripped.

Running goals:
1.) Get back down to a sub-11 min./mile average pace. Sub-10:30/mile would be better.
2.) Run another marathon. My marathon time (Cellcom Green Bay, 2010) was 5:17. I want to go sub-5 hrs.
3.) Run ultras (trail--please!), at least another 50K (and if possible finish under 8 hours--my 50K time was > 8 hrs.), possibly a 50M and maybe a 100M.

Lifting goals:
1.) Get strong. I've always been big, but never as strong as I should be for my size.
2.) Maybe, someday, enter a powerlifting meet.
3.) Do the "pump and run" at our local marathon.

Hope it's OK I chime in.

Again, sorry for interrupting the shoe discussion.

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[ScramFranklin]

So, as someone finally working on improving their running after failed attempts at trying to get fast doing intervals and HIIT, I'm now trying to build my aerobic base. Easy and long runs, low heart rate. At 26 miles a week now, and increasing weekly. Is doing purely LISS this way, and doing strenuous lifting, either for hypertrophy or strength, doable? As in concurrent Traning?

I'd always keep my running easy, unless I had a race I wanted to keep for. Lifting routines would change up, probably going from 5x5 to nsuns, to something by Israetel, 531, etc. Is this doable to improve strength/size, as well as endurance (pace increases at same low heart rate), as long as my calories are in check? Reps for knowledgeable answers. Right now my runs are very slow, in the 13-16 minute range for a heart rate of 130 to 148, 148 being as high as I want to go for my base building. Thanks!

[OldFartTom]

Yes it's doable but like push-ups you have to ask yourself why/ how many. I mean push-ups are good, would you like to be able to do only 10 or 50? of course 50 but where to stop... should we aspire to doing 100 or 200 or what as a goal, or should we bench heavy instead. Of course different goals appeal to different people.

Running is the same, how many miles a week and why. Different goals for different people, just be clear what you want to do.

Personally... 40k (25 miles) a week is about the point where casual running and more serious running meet but YMMV!! If I run more than that I'll need to pay from another activity due to time and energy/recovery, that's just me.

It's all down to your priorities and how you recover (maybe your "serious" point is more than mine), as long as you are clear in your head what you are trying to do and why, and enjoying it.. go for it !

Edit: have you ever tried running a half marathon 13 miles / 21k for charity? If not you should try it

[Payton1221]

Personally... 40k (25 miles) a week is about the point where casual running and more serious running meet but YMMV!!

Ha ha. I see what you did there

Is doing purely LISS this way, and doing strenuous lifting, either for hypertrophy or strength, doable? As in concurrent Traning?

LISS is a good way of doing it, and if you're a Maffetone fan, he advocates just that to build up your endurance, but Tom's answer was sound IMO. Physical adaptations are going to be based on the stress that you put on your body, so for the most part, lifters look like lifters and runners look like runners. Do both and your body will adapt based on its ability to deal with the frequency, intensity, and volume that you do of each activity.

So the only way to know is to try it and see if you like the results (weight, bodyfat, strength, 5k time, etc, etc).

[ScramFranklin]

Yes it's doable but like push-ups you have to ask yourself why/ how many. I mean push-ups are good, would you like to be able to do only 10 or 50? of course 50 but where to stop... should we aspire to doing 100 or 200 or what as a goal, or should we bench heavy instead. Of course different goals appeal to different people.

Running is the same, how many miles a week and why. Different goals for different people, just be clear what you want to do.

Personally... 40k (25 miles) a week is about the point where casual running and more serious running meet but YMMV!! If I run more than that I'll need to pay from another activity due to time and energy/recovery, that's just me.

It's all down to your priorities and how you recover (maybe your "serious" point is more than mine), as long as you are clear in your head what you are trying to do and why, and enjoying it.. go for it !

Edit: have you ever tried running a half marathon 13 miles / 21k for charity? If not you should try it

Thanks. Yea, basically want a strong aerobic base for health reasons, to recover faster, to play sports better, to have a lower resting heart rate, and so that If I wanted to do a 5k or half marathon, I could just do a structured program since I would already have a large aerobic base built. A larger aerobic base would just make everything easier.

[OldFartTom]

If you are a book person, there's a book on this topic

Tactical Barbell 2 conditioning (the second book for conditioning to go with tactical Barbell). A lot of people want strength and endurance (soldiers, police, MMA, adventure runners, and fools like me), how to develop and balance the two sometimes opposing directions is what it's about

My take on this to separate the two, on days where I do both running and big lifts (e.g. today) I ran before breakfast and lifted at lunchtime, avoid trying to do both in a single session whenever possible, keep them apart as best you can