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    Originally Posted by michael3435 View Post
    no, they peak in the late 20s, decline from 30

    http://www.bio-medicine.org/medicine...cades-15375-1/

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    simple google search.
    There's PLENTY of research that shows they peak in the lower 20's as well, readily available on Google. I guess to each his own, I know for certain I peaked in my lower 20's.
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    Originally Posted by Vigor View Post
    There's PLENTY of research that shows they peak in the lower 20's as well, readily available on Google. I guess to each his own, I know for certain I peaked in my lower 20's.
    there are thousands of factors that can suppress or increase test production from diet to sunlight. so of course it will vary among individuals as it did for yourself. scientifically speaking from a physiological standpoint, they peak in the late 20s with variability as mentioned above. i have not seen any of the research you speak of.

    if your referring to a blood test for why your test levels are higher or lower with age, there are many confounding factors as i stated above and that is not a valuable means for comparison. after all, your not 30 yet either so you havent seen the drop off yet.
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    Originally Posted by Vigor View Post
    There's PLENTY of research that shows they peak in the lower 20's as well, readily available on Google. I guess to each his own, I know for certain I peaked in my lower 20's.
    We don't pop out of some predetermined mold. "Everyone is different."
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    Originally Posted by dirkwright View Post
    You don't have to go to a doctor. There are private labs that will test you for a fee. I did both before and after and the difference in my total T was 3 times from Novedex XT, which is an AI. I believe going from a total T of 330 to 936 would be considered "significant" by most people, don't you? Oh, and my E2 levels went way down too, of course.
    Yes.

    I notice a big increase in my test levels on 6oxo or NolvadexXT.

    Not natural- but over the counter- safe and effective at boosting test and also lowering estrogen.

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    Never had T-levels taken, but I had blood test taken today out of curiosity for just that reason. Finished some t-bol about a month ago, so now I pretty good base for about what my normal test levels should be. When I run my next cycle in the fall (non PH and undecided at this point) I will report back with lab results, now that I have some sort of a base.
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    Originally Posted by dirkwright View Post
    You don't have to go to a doctor. There are private labs that will test you for a fee. I did both before and after and the difference in my total T was 3 times from Novedex XT, which is an AI. I believe going from a total T of 330 to 936 would be considered "significant" by most people, don't you? Oh, and my E2 levels went way down too, of course.
    how would one go about finding these free labs you speak of? like what would i search for online or in a phonebook?
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    Is there any known supplements that increase the amount of FREE TESTOSTERONE in the body?
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    Originally Posted by whodatt View Post
    how would one go about finding these free labs you speak of? like what would i search for online or in a phonebook?
    http://www.privatemdlabs.com/
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    Anyone know of a way to test your own test levels at home? or on your own?

    Or do you always need a lab?
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    Originally Posted by Mike2110 View Post
    I got my blood test results back which showed my testosterone level at 320 ng/dl . Dr. said it's normal but I think thats very low. I am only 20 years old and workout regularly. Doing some research I read that physically active 20 year old should be between 800 to 1200 ng/dl. So I guess genetically I have low testosterone. Does anyone know of a way of raising the body's natural production of testosterone without using steroids? My diet is clean, I eat alot of protein, zinc supplements etc... Is there anything that would REALLY noticeably double or more my testosterone levels without steroids. Theres alot of supplements that claim to but I dont really trust them. Any help would be appreciated. thanks
    Shoot me a PM,Ive have some experience with low test and i can tell you what i had to go through..
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    Originally Posted by JoeyDoyle2 View Post
    Shoot me a PM,Ive have some experience with low test and i can tell you what i had to go through..
    I am curious... if you are comfortable posting here would like to hear about it
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    Originally Posted by Mike2110 View Post
    I got my blood test results back which showed my testosterone level at 320 ng/dl . Dr. said it's normal but I think thats very low. I am only 20 years old and workout regularly. Doing some research I read that physically active 20 year old should be between 800 to 1200 ng/dl. So I guess genetically I have low testosterone. Does anyone know of a way of raising the body's natural production of testosterone without using steroids? My diet is clean, I eat alot of protein, zinc supplements etc... Is there anything that would REALLY noticeably double or more my testosterone levels without steroids. Theres alot of supplements that claim to but I dont really trust them. Any help would be appreciated. thanks
    free test is more important, i went on HRT and my levels were like 260 to 320 I was sleeping bad for yrs and always tired. So I had my levels checked. so you get your free level from your doc and take it from there.
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    I am curious... if you are comfortable posting here would like to hear about it
    yea i will post here about it,be glad to
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    Originally Posted by JoeyDoyle2 View Post
    yea i will post here about it,be glad to
    Just what you did about low test levels and how it effected you. Did you see a Dr. ?

    how low was it? What did you do about it? Did it work?
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    theres a lot of variation, day to day, week to week.

    I was at exactly 320 myself, went back a few weeks later...600

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    Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post
    Just what you did about low test levels and how it effected you. Did you see a Dr. ?

    how low was it? What did you do about it? Did it work?
    I had a physical and had it checked because of energy and libido problems,it ws at 190,my general doctor sent me to a urologist and he started giving me injections of 1cc every other week for 10 shots,then checked it again and it brought my levels up to 450,in the middle of the range,then a month later of not taking injections from him,i had it checked again,it had dropped from 450 to 197,so i went to an Endocronologist,and my testicles are smaller than they are supposed to be and he ran some test,he uped my dose to 2cc's every other week,because of my size.He said i waited to long to get my levels checked in the first place when i was younger,so ive got to take injections from my doctor the rest of my life,because my body will not produce it anymore,when my levels were up,i felt gret,energy was high and libidio was high,when they were low,just the oppesite.Over the years my testicles shrank because my body was not producing it naturally,and i was 41 when i got it checked for the first time.
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    Originally Posted by JoeyDoyle2 View Post
    I had a physical and had it checked because of energy and libido problems,it ws at 190,my general doctor sent me to a urologist and he started giving me injections of 1cc every other week for 10 shots,then checked it again and it brought my levels up to 450,in the middle of the range,then a month later of not taking injections from him,i had it checked again,it had dropped from 450 to 197,so i went to an Endocronologist,and my testicles are smaller than they are supposed to be and he ran some test,he uped my dose to 2cc's every other week,because of my size.He said i waited to long to get my levels checked in the first place when i was younger,so ive got to take injections from my doctor the rest of my life,because my body will not produce it anymore,when my levels were up,i felt gret,energy was high and libidio was high,when they were low,just the oppesite.Over the years my testicles shrank because my body was not producing it naturally,and i was 41 when i got it checked for the first time.
    What would they do if you had gone in earlier? I am positive that I don't have near the levels that I did at 18. I still believe that my test levels are relatively high, but I don't have any numbers to back that up.
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    Originally Posted by Billton View Post
    What would they do if you had gone in earlier? I am positive that I don't have near the levels that I did at 18. I still believe that my test levels are relatively high, but I don't have any numbers to back that up.
    they could have fixed the problem with testosterone therapy and horomone replacement and made my body start producing it again on its on.Cause the older you get the less your body produces as your body changes and it starts around age 30
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    "normal" test levels are different for everyone, depends on person.....i have low test and am on androgel, but im 43......................ill soon be going to test e as i feel the andro is just a patch.....................one thing tho..............what time of day did you get tested? your supposed to get tested first thing in morning for test as your levels drop thru the day
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    Originally Posted by wasp9166 View Post
    "normal" test levels are different for everyone, depends on person.....i have low test and am on androgel, but im 43......................ill soon be going to test e as i feel the andro is just a patch.....................one thing tho..............what time of day did you get tested? your supposed to get tested first thing in morning for test as your levels drop thru the day
    how is the androgel working for you?
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    eh, it works slowly and tamely, it does work but id be curious to know how many mg per week your getting, just says doses are 5g a day, but thats the whole gel, not test.....
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    eh, it works slowly and tamely, it does work but id be curious to know how many mg per week your getting, just says doses are 5g a day, but thats the whole gel, not test.....
    Im getting 2cc's every other week from 200mg/ml bottles of testosterone cypionate
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    from dr or? im gonna start dosing test e myself ................i asked dr about injectable, he said he rarely has to prescribe it to anyone..............plus i dont feel like paying a co pay or even going to that office everytime i wana dose................i will inform him tho cuz i need a script from him to be tested anyhow
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    from dr or? im gonna start dosing test e myself ................i asked dr about injectable, he said he rarely has to prescribe it to anyone..............plus i dont feel like paying a co pay or even going to that office everytime i wana dose................i will inform him tho cuz i need a script from him to be tested anyhow
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    Originally Posted by wasp9166 View Post
    ah, see, i went to an endocronologist and she was even more reluctant than my primary..........lawsuits are ruining it for us ,lol...............so ill play dr and give him the reports,lol
    it was the opposite for me,my Endocronologist is the one that sent my urologist an update and recommended to up my dosage lol!!
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    Im getting 2cc's every other week from 200mg/ml bottles of testosterone cypionate

    You should try ethanate not sure on the spelling, stays in you longer. Think cypionate starts to drop after 3 days. 2 cc, dont know how long you been on that but it should be higher. I was on 2cc for a few months and got to 700 or so but my liver enzymes were getting high so I had to back off to 1.5 every 2 weeks
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    i could do the conversion but for accuracy and members sake, 2 cc is how many mg?
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