who the hell is this guy? holy crap ED VAN Amsterdam

[xplicid01]

there was a pic of him with his shirt off in new your city. His back was facing the camera and the lighting was about mid afternoon and he looked ridiculous.

reps for whoever can find that pic

[Zeneth]

Oh surprise surprise another gut comment. As if any fan of the sport or competitor wasn't aware of the situation.

Comments like these are getting real old, real fast.

Can we post any pictures of any modern day bodybuilder without these dam trolls coming in and turning it into a gut debate? Serious, get the fcuk off the boards, **** is getting seriously lame...

Guy is huge, cut and has great proportions.

Pointing out a BAD flaw in pro bodybuilding that should be penalised is trolling? GTFO!!!

[IwillBaMonster]

there was a pic of him with his shirt off in new your city. His back was facing the camera and the lighting was about mid afternoon and he looked ridiculous.

reps for whoever can find that pic

[Darren in Gym]

Ok, then how was Arnold always able to pull a vacuum back in the day?

I'll answer that one for you - there was no HgH use back then!

Arnold was also 240lbs at 6'2, branch warren is 245lbs at 5'7 and twice the conditioning arnold ever had.

Gunter was hitting 300lbs onstage with striated glutes and he is 6'1-2. Adding 60+lbs of mass onto a frame will has reprecussions everywhere, including the gut area.

Phil Heath is sporting an impressive gut now days, look at him posing at the 2008 ironman, he holds it well in his poses but when he transitions its clearly there, back in arnolds day Phil would have been like 190lbs maybe 200, not pushing 235 onstage

[YJ662]

Arnold was also 240lbs at 6'2, branch warren is 245lbs at 5'7 and twice the conditioning arnold ever had.

Gunter was hitting 300lbs onstage with striated glutes and he is 6'1-2. Adding 60+lbs of mass onto a frame will has reprecussions everywhere, including the gut area.

Phil Heath is sporting an impressive gut now days, look at him posing at the 2008 ironman, he holds it well in his poses but when he transitions its clearly there, back in arnolds day Phil would have been like 190lbs maybe 200, not pushing 235 onstage

Did u mean 2008 ironman???? cus i just watched it and rly saw no gut whatsoever!

[society_down]

Arnold was also 240lbs at 6'2, branch warren is 245lbs at 5'7 and twice the conditioning arnold ever had.

Gunter was hitting 300lbs onstage with striated glutes and he is 6'1-2. Adding 60+lbs of mass onto a frame will has reprecussions everywhere, including the gut area.

Phil Heath is sporting an impressive gut now days, look at him posing at the 2008 ironman, he holds it well in his poses but when he transitions its clearly there, back in arnolds day Phil would have been like 190lbs maybe 200, not pushing 235 onstage

Holding it in and pulling a vacuum are two completely different things. Arnold had NOTHING to hold in.

I guess an explanation of the difference between Phil and Arnold's contest weight is that maybe Phil is holding in 35 extra pounds of intestines?

[Duckenheimer]

Oh god, here come the retarded gut-nazis.

I'd love to see you lift that weight while pulling a vacuum FFS. Everyoe pushes out when they are lifting weight.

Stop being a moron.

I believe he was talking about when he was posing...

Chill out, relax, no need to assume weird things and tear into rage mode every time someone mentions the word 'gut' bro. Here is a pic from the vid he was referring to.



Your assessment that this makes him a moron for calling it a gut and disturbing makes no sense. Calling people morons for perfectly accurate statements when you're responding with senseless, poorly thought out irrelevancies and rage isn't the best way to go about a stress free life brah.

On another note, the guy has a very impressive physique, but yes his gut is particularly unpleasant, at a degree that everyone most certainly does not have.

Oh surprise surprise another gut comment. As if any fan of the sport or competitor wasn't aware of the situation.

Lol, no.

It's an assessment of an aspect of said physique and it's effect on the viewer. In fact you made some identically motivated comments about his proportions and conditioning.

[Duckenheimer]

Sick.

And wow, strong calves

[Duckenheimer]

Did u mean 2008 ironman???? cus i just watched it and rly saw no gut whatsoever!

Well Phil heaves out a little here and there in transitions, but it's close to imperceptible. Maybe once or twice EVER I've seen a picture of Phil looking like he had a dodgy waist.

Aesthetically, Phil is close to faultless, and his whole package virtually always looks great.

[xplicid01]

that has to be the same series but not the pic i was thinking of. I mean im sure it was that same day but it was a back shot. You gotta give this guy credit for one thing..... He has amazing symmetry especially his back.

[IwillBaMonster]

Well he is very very impressive in every way, except that "gut" (let's admit - it ruins the physique.). Though I'd agree that in off-season he looks much better then in competition.

[mikennrg500]

Holding it in and pulling a vacuum are two completely different things. Arnold had NOTHING to hold in.

I guess an explanation of the difference between Phil and Arnold's contest weight is that maybe Phil is holding in 35 extra pounds of intestines?

Arnold would have to put on another 30lbs. to compete today. When considering how weak his legs are compared to today's bodybuilders he might even need more muscle than 30lbs. Add the fact that more stress would be placed on his midsection from harder leg training plus eating more meals and his stomach would not be the same size. Even without insulin or HGH his ab wall would still be bigger. It wouldn't be as big as some pros, but it would be thicker.

[musclePavel]

Calling people morons for perfectly accurate statements when you're responding with senseless, poorly thought out irrelevancies and rage isn't the best way to go about a stress free life brah.

lol, loved the way you said, shut the fukk up , and get the fukk out

[barbarian_ben]

Hmm, what pro would be able to hit a vacuum pose?

Maybe Darrem Charles?

Thats my best guess.

[amr.gaafar]

Hmm, what pro would be able to hit a vacuum pose?

Maybe Darrem Charles?

Thats my best guess.

silvio samuel

[Riz]

silvio samuel

yeah well that should just go to show you that this nonsense about guts preventing vacuums is idiotic.

silvio has one of the most disgusting distended guts Ive ever seen and he can suck it in for a vacuum with ease.

[TrainOfThought]

Calfzilla!

[amr.gaafar]

silvio samuel

Rusty jeffers and also some time victor martinez...in his arnold classic 2009..he did a vacum in the posedown if i can remember

[captainhorseboy]

the gut trade-off is a matter of opinion and there's nothing wrong with that. some people wouldnt mind if there was a new drug that also caused the bodybuilder's skull to grow vertically if it enhanced musculature, yet many would prefer "old-school mass-monsters" to the new "conehead era"

[iDarren]

the new "conehead era"

what does conehead mean in terms of BB's?

[Berthold]

Dayum that is quite a package. Did he stuff a sock in there or what?
I think he should be banned from competition after such a stunt.

[captainhorseboy]

what does conehead mean in terms of BB's?

speaking hypothetically about aesthetics. if a new drug caused the skull to grow three feet tall, most people would go "WTF THAT IS NOT COOL" and then there would be others who go "cone heads are the new reality of bodybuilding, you cant go onstage at 400 pounds lean without a little bit of cranial extension"

and people would be like "uh ohhhh heath's head is getting pointy" and people would be like ITS MIDPOSE

[Duckenheimer]

speaking hypothetically about aesthetics. if a new drug caused the skull to grow three feet tall, most people would go "WTF THAT IS NOT COOL" and then there would be others who go "cone heads are the new reality of bodybuilding, you cant go onstage at 400 pounds lean without a little bit of cranial extension"

and people would be like "uh ohhhh heath's head is getting pointy" and people would be like ITS MIDPOSE

Uh oh, THE RETARDED CRANIAL COMMIES are out in full force again.

You think everyone walks around with a perfect head all their life? Obviously you do. Well believe it or not, nobody has a perfect looking head 24/7.

Moron.





























(I'm rly not mad, irate, furious, or on the verge of exploding, rly, look: Loflz)

[Gosu]

I'm not making excuses for him. You have been training for one year. You have made pretty good progress, but do you really expect guys two times your size to not have stomach growth. Lift for a decade, put on 50lbs, and come back with the same ab measurements as you do now. Not gonna happen.

if you think his gut is that big just because he lift longer and is bigger, you are mistaken

[Gosu]

that is why bodybuilding went(?) wrong

before, when arnold was on top (example) everyone wanted to look like arnold. He looked great and healthy



big + no gut = win

[mikennrg500]

if you think his gut is that big just because he lift longer and is bigger, you are mistaken

I'm not talking about the guy in the video. I'm saying newbs don't realize that even without drugs your waist will get a bit thicker if you get bigger. I guess your waist stayed the same size while bulking to get to 149lb. When you're that small don't tell me that hard training won't thicken your waist.

[barbarian_ben]

I'm not talking about the guy in the video. I'm saying newbs don't realize that even without drugs your waist will get a bit thicker if you get bigger. I guess your waist stayed the same size while bulking to get to 149lb. When you're that small don't tell me that hard training won't thicken your waist.

Oliva had a 29" waist

[mikennrg500]

Oliva had a 29" waist

Did you measure it?

[steezemcgreazee]

Did you measure it?

i did