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    Originally Posted by Jason2459 View Post
    Typical gym use won't matter much. Get up over 500lbs and whip will be slightly more. Get up over 600 and even more so. Up over 700...etc.
    This is the typical BS argument I see, you need to get over 500, 600, 700lbs...wait how much can you lift bro? Oh, you already lift 800lbs? Well then, you don't know what your talking about because you haven't gone over 900lbs yet. Trust me, it's going to cause you issues when you get to that point. Just wait...
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    Originally Posted by urbanlifter View Post
    This is the typical BS argument I see, you need to get over 500, 600, 700lbs...wait how much can you lift bro? Oh, you already lift 800lbs? Well then, you don't know what your talking about because you haven't gone over 900lbs yet. Trust me, it's going to cause you issues when you get to that point. Just wait...
    How is it a BS arguement? The TPB is a great bar, I've always said so. But to say bar diameter doesn't make a difference is BS. As I stated, typical gym use it won't matter much.

    At a powerlifting level, which this is a powerbar, yes it can make a difference and why they, even Buddy, make lift specific bars now for squats to be over 30mm and DL bars to be 27mm. Even bench bars over 29mm. I'm a weak powerlifter and I've even been able to hit a point where I could feel the whip. Not to a point it made much difference. Get up to an average competitive powerlifters numbers and the whip will make more and more of a difference.

    Texas squat, bench (bulldog), and deadlift bars are made to be better then the tpb 28.5mm for their specific lifts at heavy weights.
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    Originally Posted by Jason2459 View Post
    But to say bar diameter doesn't make a difference is BS.
    Okay, show me a video where excessive whip has DIRECTLY caused you (or anyone) to miss a lift.

    I'll check back in the morning...
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    Originally Posted by Jason2459 View Post
    Typical gym use won't matter much. Get up over 500lbs and whip will be slightly more. Get up over 600 and even more so. Up over 700...etc.

    I personally can feel the difference when hook gripping and get over 400lbs. It's easier on 28.5, even easier with 28mm, even easier with 27mm..etc. Hand size and bar diameter can make or break the ability to hook grip. I cant hook grip well over 300 with. 32mm bar. But have been well over 500 with a 29mm,28.5mm, 28mm, and 27mm bars.
    There is a very slight difference that one would only notice on deadlifting. On the back or on a bench, you wont notice much difference in feel. In fact the flex difference between the 28.5mm and 30mm bars is only about 50lbs apart.
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    Originally Posted by urbanlifter View Post
    Okay, show me a video where excessive whip has DIRECTLY caused you (or anyone) to miss a lift.

    I'll check back in the morning...
    Why so mad? I have felt it but not effected as stated above and in previous posts.

    And um I've seen it many times. I've seen people in meets loose balance due to it. Etc.

    Quick youtube search for bad bar whip this was the first to come up. I can easily find more

    https://youtu.be/SpzLt7STsiY


    Edit: and the debate is: does bar diameter make a difference? Yes it does.

    Edit: and if you're not mad no problem. Just came off that way to me.
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    Originally Posted by MGM711 View Post
    There is a very slight difference that one would only notice on deadlifting. On the back or on a bench, you wont notice much difference in feel. In fact the flex difference between the 28.5mm and 30mm bars is only about 50lbs apart.
    Previous team I benched with hated benching with standard powerbars. They were 600-900lbs benchers with the occasional 1000lbs bencher showing up. They didn't like the feel in the hands or the whip.
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    And FWIW I'll restate what my thoughts are and have posted in previous posts before about the TPB. I think it's a great bar that I could recommend as an all around power bar. It has withstood the test of time and used by some of the strongest people on earth. Has with stood many decades of abuse at Westside and loved by many. I personally have never got one due to being 28.5mm and only because of that since majority of feds I lift in that use a powerbar for a single bar use a 29mm bar. Since I hook grip I want to train my hook grip on a 29mm bar.

    Heck, if I didn't switch to hook gripping I would probably still only have a single all around use bar in my Jesup Power bar. It being 32mm I cant hook grip with it. I've always liked training alternate grip with a thicker bar and at meets makes the smaller diameter bar feel like a toy and easy to hold on too.
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    Originally Posted by Jason2459 View Post
    Why so mad? I have felt it but not effected as stated above and in previous posts.

    And um I've seen it many times. I've seen people in meets loose balance due to it. Etc.

    Quick youtube search for bad bar whip this was the first to come up. I can easily find more

    https://youtu.be/SpzLt7STsiY


    Edit: and the debate is: does bar diameter make a difference? Yes it does.

    Edit: and if you're not mad no problem. Just came off that way to me.
    No worries man, I'm not mad at all. It's just been on my mind lately, probably came out with more passion than intended LOL.
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    Originally Posted by Jason2459 View Post
    Previous team I benched with hated benching with standard powerbars. They were 600-900lbs benchers with the occasional 1000lbs bencher showing up. They didn't like the feel in the hands or the whip.
    I used to be one of those guys benching big weights, and I used a squat bar to bench when I was shirted, so yes, I understand what they say and that's correct, but what I'm saying is that the flex difference isn't as great as you'd think. A TPB will start flexing at around 450-500. A TSB probably 550ish-600. For sure the 30mm TPB started flexing pretty good at 600, and this was benching. In fact I'd say it felt worse benching than squatting. All bars flex.
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    Originally Posted by Jason2459 View Post
    I personally have never got one due to being 28.5mm and only because of that since majority of feds I lift in that use a powerbar for a single bar use a 29mm bar. Since I hook grip I want to train my hook grip on a 29mm bar.
    That's a perfect example of why you should own a 29mm bar, own it because that's the bar you will be using in competitions in your area. I owned a TPB for years because of that exact reason...I knew I would see one at least for bench at most meets. My para bencher I work with has an Eleiko bar because that's all he uses in comps, and my other buddy a Rogue OPB because that's the bar they use in his area meets. But for most casual lifters who post here who aren't regularly competing, the difference between 28.5mm and 29mm is almost nil, and that was essentially the point to Buddy's post.
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    Originally Posted by MGM711 View Post
    That's a perfect example of why you should own a 29mm bar, own it because that's the bar you will be using in competitions in your area. I owned a TPB for years because of that exact reason...I knew I would see one at least for bench at most meets. My para bencher I work with has an Eleiko bar because that's all he uses in comps, and my other buddy a Rogue OPB because that's the bar they use in his area meets. But for most casual lifters who post here who aren't regularly competing, the difference between 28.5mm and 29mm is almost nil, and that was essentially the point to Buddy's post.
    Totally agree. I don't think my statement of it making no difference to the general gym goer stood out that well but it's just as you state above.
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    Buddy capps is now coming with new body building bar endorsed by Branch Warren with 3 knurl marks and 27 mm shaft. Ck is also pretty wide at 6".

    He is also offering rest of the bars in Cerakote shaft with Chrome sleeves as well. Interesting that not offering cerokate shaft with bare steel sleeves.

    https://www.texaspowerbars.com/product-p/tbb.htm

    Specs on the body building bar.

    86" Length
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    3 hand space rings at 26"/32"/38"

    For home gym hopefully Capps Cerakote will hold up well.
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