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    Whats the difference between NPC and NPC Natural shows?

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    Originally Posted by stayfit2008 View Post
    or didi I mention it in the title?
    Based on my experience it does not necessarily mean being steroid free since the response I got from several NPC promoters (that will remain nameless) is if a product is available over the counter, for example superdrol (which is basically methyalated masteron) it would be permitted within the context of a NPC Natural show since it is not an illegal AAS. Go figure. If I was going to compete in a natural organization and truly was concerned about a "level playing field" the NPC would not be a place to go in my opinion. I know several examples of gym buddies running anabolic cycles during there entire contest prep. I personally don't need a trophy that bad but it does show you that a lie detector test is not the best method. I know some NPC shows are urine tested but than again so is the Team Universe. Some forms of test and most orals clear very quickly. Guess I am just a little cynical on the NPC shows being legit
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    Yea,..this is what I kinda suspected. I'm looking at competing in this NPC venue and am aware of the OTC products that I will have to face off against. But if I do well,.then this will say alot for a natty competitor. I also like the NGA and plan to continue competing with that organization.
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    Originally Posted by stayfit2008 View Post
    Yea,..this is what I kinda suspected. I'm looking at competing in this NPC venue and am aware of the OTC products that I will have to face off against. But if I do well,.then this will say alot for a natty competitor. I also like the NGA and plan to continue competing with that organization.
    I am not trying to suggest that someone truly natural would not be able to be competitive in the NPC, just that it would not be my first choice when it comes to legit drug tested organizations. I have even thought about hitting the two big NPC Natural shows in my area at some point however my motivation for competing is far different now than it was when I first started . It is all about personal achievement and goal attainment now rather than rising up the ranks of the competitive ladder. Additionally my focus in the future will be in the Over 40's rather than the Open Classes. Where I think people are more inclined to "bend the rules" some.
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    There are drug free shows in the NPC. I know the Natural Northern USA run by Dave Liebermann is drug free and tested with a urine test (I am pretty sure). Really good show. I know there are others too.
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    Half of the feild got disqaulified 2 years ago at the mash. I dont think these crappy otc products will make a difference. Get ripped to the bone and present well.
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    Wink just a bit of advice...

    Hey...saw you want to switch over to npc..i did that the last year and a half...glad i did but had to give up my pro status in natural organization to do it...check around...i had won the va state weight class and someone contacted them (local chairpersons) and i had to write a letter to be reinstated in npc after the complaint...then won the overall next year and weight class of the lenda murray...I switched over because i liked the idea of more competition...a lot more shows being offered and perhaps with a bit more cout...hope i'm not sounding snooty...not meaning to... your decision... if you win a natl. qualifier then you could compete at nationals...I'm glad i switched over...don't regret it for a minute... good luck!!!
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    from cleveland, we host 2 big natural events a year. I work for a long-standing booth there and have also competed. don't be fooled, they are not natural. men AND women both are far from it. really disappointing in my opinion, however there's nothing I can do about it. good luck with whatever you choose though!
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    Your career direction also needs to be taken into consideration when choosing a show.
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    Talking I did the Cleveland show in October

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    I will say that there were many that obviulsly had taken something in the past. I competed in the Masters Bikini and the Open Bikini. As soon as I stepped off that stage we were called for drug testing.

    If you go to daveliberman.com, he is the promotoer for that show. They had 200 competitors when I competed. It was a great first show to do. I really enjoyed myself. Im going back in April too!
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    I feel that the Natural shows provid such a great opportunity for non steroid users. It's too bad the media focuses on the bodybuilding giants of the world who are questionable on the use of steroid abuse? not to say that steroid users don't work just as hard as naturals.

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    back to the topic at hand here does anyone know if the tampa bay classic is tested? Its going to be my first comp next year and would like it to be somewhat fair. Will the entry form specifically say urine test after prejudging?
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    I read that they make you take (and pay) for a polygraph too. Is that correct?
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    yeah you have to pay for a poly. It seems to me that testing really varies. I asked the promoter of an npc natty in utah (not sure the contest, awhile back) he said they rarrrely test. I think it depends on the promoters, and sponsors of the show how srs they would be about the natty part. I believe NPC only requires 2 years drug free vs. 7 years for nga
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    I would think it means drug and diuretic free. Im doing a 'natural' NPC show in 3 weeks and they are doing a polygraph for testing.
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    I was in an NPC Natural Show this past weekend and they only tested those who won their class: obviously the cost would have been too high to test all 170 competitors.

    Be aware that even supplements sold over the counter at GNC can make you test positive for certain illegal supplements. The Anti-Doping Agency has a list of products that have tested positive for banned substances.

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    If your looking to compete in a different organization that is 100% urine drug tested, then try the Ultimate Fitness Events (UFE)
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    Originally Posted by stayfit2008 View Post
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    natural, or so they claim, but even in natural shows it still isn't fully true.
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    I know that out here in Hawaii the natural shows don't get a huge turnout so I haven't done one but the difference they will make you take a pee test and they also have different posing rules that the NPC
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    i've never competed but have seen pictures and talked with compettitors from the NPC and it seems fairly clear that in the natural show some guys/gals are cheating. Obviously its all specualtion but some guys just have way to much mass and are way too shredded to be natty. Yes there are some natty genetic freaks out there that looks ridulous but I don't think this is always the case. I have seen a few true natty's do ok. it all depends on who shows up and what they look like. just like any show.


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    Natural shows they do random checks on people and also if someone "thinks" you may be using. My first show was a natural show and always the biggest guys get tested. But I think its a compliment if you don't use and you get tested because someone thinks your not natty
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    otc

    I'm considering an npc natural show and need help to figure out if an otc product is banned. I'm taking lean body for her. Is this considered banned for this event?
    Everything else is just vitamins, bcaa, glutamine, zma, l-carintine, l-arginine, which should all be okay. I'm just not sure about the stimulants in the lean body for her products
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    I'm on TRT legally.

    I would then have to compete NPC.
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    Just do what you like man, there will always be people finding ways around it. I don't compete in those because I haven't cared about form and honestly I know tons in the industry and like many of these people have said there is many ways to get in as natty with getting off gear as short as two weeks prior. If you have fun and it makes you wanna grow more in your interests then it's all that matters. My pictures are far from new on here, but I could tell you I would understand the worry you have going against some juice .I tried gear for 3.5 months and looking at my before and after I totally get how unfair it is if you eat and train right with it. What one cycle does in 3 months is what normally occurs during 2 years so you have to understand that it comes down to what someone wants out of it and wants to sacrifice. Just be you and get the most out of your journey.
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    NPC is the way to go if you want to compete with the very best.
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    This is my thinking as well.

    As a lifetime natural athlete competing for men's physique, I haven't given the drug use of my competitors much thought. I will bring my best package and I will achieve victory! This is my mentality and I try not to cloud it.
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