I've been struggling with my grip on deadlifts for the last couple weeks. I don't even feel like my max set of deads are fatiguing me too badly and even worse I feel like as my grip starts to slip my form on successive reps deteriorates a lot.
Anyways, i ordered some liquid chalk (and some straps) yesterday. I was just wondering will it help the overall development of my grip strength to wait to use the chalk until the set i expect to struggle on (similar to how it makes sense to start with double overhand until i know i need mixed grip). Or am I just overthinking this? I know it's supposed to help protect your hands from ripping so if there isn't some benefit to training my grip strength I'd rather use it from the start.
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02-14-2009, 11:03 AM #1
When to use chalk with a deadlift
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02-14-2009, 11:19 AM #2
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i've always just used chalk when my hands get sweaty, or if the bar i'm using has really worn knurling. i don't see why you wouldn't want use chalk. please feel free anyone, to educate me if i'm wrong. it ain't gonna make your grip stronger. it will prevent the bar from SLIPPING out of your hand, but if you aren't strong enough to hold the weight, you're gonna drop it anyway.
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02-14-2009, 11:39 AM #3
Thank you for the input. I definitely understand what you're saying and unless someone comes in saying otherwise I will just use chalk from the start.
The only thing that was causing me to pause is that like you said the reason to use chalk is to prevent slipping. That's also supposed to be the reason to use mixed grip over double overhand though and I've seen many people recommend using double overhand for as many sets as possible. It made some sense to me that the same could hold true for whether to use chalk or not.
Like I said in my other post, I'm most likely just overthinking it though. I have small-ish hands for a guy my size and it seems likely grip will be something i really have to stay on top of. I just figured i'd check all my facts first. Thanks again.
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02-14-2009, 12:26 PM #5
The deadlift is my favorite exercise, I look forward to deadlift day! I don't use straps, but I do keep a zip lock baggie of baby powder with for whenever my hands start sweating and I lose my gripping ability. It is kinda messy but I forget about it after I do a heavy set and my grip didn't hinder my ability!
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02-14-2009, 01:03 PM #6
Hell, you guys are lucky you have gyms that allow chalk. I myself go to the Y and they obviously frown upon "making a chalk mess". It's all those soccer moms in there doing their little cardio. I just gotta find a hardcore gym later on down the road.
I wouldn't tell someone their not a powerlifter cuz they only bench pressed or they only benched and deadlifted but...what the hells wrong with squattin? I thought powerlifters were supposed to be these big tough guys. Strap your cock on leave your pussy at home put a bar on your back and bend your knees.
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02-14-2009, 01:34 PM #8
That's where I go as well. I think in light of what RepnSets said I'm going to pick up some regular chalk too though. I could always use it to go for a max attempt at a friends house and just use the liquid chalk for when I'm at the Y.
That's why i picked up some straps too. I'd rather keep working on it raw but if i continue to struggle with grip, I won't hesitate to use the straps.
Thanks again for the responses everyone.
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02-14-2009, 03:06 PM #11
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I dont see the point of using chalk, except for meet time.....straps WONT make your grip weaker since you are holding for your life anyways on a HEAVY deadlift.
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02-14-2009, 03:28 PM #12
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02-14-2009, 10:41 PM #13
Experiment with it, but don't worry a hell of a lot.
My goal is a big one-rep max. That's all I care about. Here are my parameters for using grip aids (I've got chalk and straps, too):
1)I don't want to miss reps or lower weights in training because my grip can't keep up. And I find that my grip tends to fail in less time than the rest of my body. So I use chalk or straps with rep work pretty frequently.
2)I don't want to miss a single because of weak grip.
The solution, for me, has been to use straps when doing repetition work sets, and not much with adjunctive work. I'll work up to my work set weight, probably using a little chalk on the final warmup single. Then I perform the work sets using the straps.
When I move into adjunctive work (rows, shrugs, lockouts, pullups, chinups, power cleans, high pulls, et cetera), the straps go in the bag. I'll use chalk for lockouts, if I'm feeling sweaty of hand.
The point is, that's what works for ME. I don't fail on one-rep maxes because of grip, which is the only thing I really ask of my hands. If things started to get sketchy, though, I'd change my approach in a heartbeat.
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02-15-2009, 02:17 AM #14
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02-15-2009, 04:44 AM #16
Here is a link you may find helpfull:http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2778361
This thread has a lot of info on grip strength and may answer any other questions you may have.I have no E-stats to post but this is my Journal:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=142431291
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02-15-2009, 10:32 AM #20
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I use chalk every time I dead lift. It only costs about $1.25 from the sporting goods store and lasts forever so why not.
I only use a hook grip on deads and never have a problem or concern with grip."To be a warrior is not a simple matter of wishing to be one. It is rather an endless struggle that will go on to the very last moment of our lives. Nobody is born a warrior, in exactly the same way that nobody is born an average man. We make ourselves into one or the other."-- Carlos Castaneda
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02-15-2009, 10:54 AM #21
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You're a moron.
I understand what you're trying to say. You're saying that even though you are using straps, you are still gripping the bar very tightly. The problem is this: You're still not gripping the bar as tightly as would be necessary if you were not using straps. The fact that you can hold 700lbs means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. If you can do that despite regularly using straps, it means nothing except that you have an above average grip strength.
If a heavyweight farm boy can bench press 405lbs without even training the lift, would you tell every kid you saw in the gym to quit training bench, so their bench would go up to 405lbs? That makes every bit as much sense as saying that because you can hold 700lbs despite always using straps, straps don't harm your grip strength.Last edited by freeride88; 02-15-2009 at 10:56 AM.
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02-15-2009, 11:34 PM #29
Totally true, except for one thing -- powerlifting is about a bigger deadlift SINGLE. If training requires repetition work, and my grip fails before the rest of my body, I'm comfortable using straps. And if I'm not dropping singles because my hands aren't strong enough to hold the bar, I fail to see a problem.
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02-15-2009, 11:37 PM #30
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