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    Anyone workout to music on a $600 clock radio??

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    Originally Posted by Fuelish View Post
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    To an audiophile, this makes perfect sense. Bowflex and Bose have a lot in common. They spend way more money on advertising than product research. When someone tells me that they got a great new Bose system it makes me cringe. Almost the same thing. You can get way better equipment for the money.
    As a side note, I started off with a used Bowflex. I had it for 3 months. I will say that it did get me into working out and I soon realized that I would enjoy lifting weights. I was able to sell it for the same money I paid for it and upgraded to a Powertec half-rack with a bench, lat attachment and 300lbs of weights for not much more. Thanks to this great site, I am looking for more deals on CL to buy a cheap bench to sell with the half-rack and upgrade to the new black full cage.
    Buying a used Bowflex worked out OK for me but like most people on these forums, I did my research and I am much happier with my current gear. I would recommend free weights over the Boxflex to anyone starting out but it still beats doing nothing.

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    bought a bowflex u 2, found this amazing site 2 days later and i just sold my bowflex making a $200 profit.

    so now my new home gym budget is $1400 cdn, i hope with the help of this site i wont make any more stupid mistakes.

    great site btw!

    *warning to anyone wanting to buy a bowflex, they tell you in the dvd that the weight your pushing increases to 90% of what is labeled only when the rod is maxed out!!! in other words you dont get a constant amount of resistance! also the squat attachment is terrible, it makes you lift at a weird angle.
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    A lot of hate for the bowflex......

    I lost 70 pounds on mine....in 7 months and took two months off and just stuck to counting calories.

    I use mine as free-weights are harder for me to do due to my back injury from back in 98.

    Yeah, I overpaid for it, but it has really helped change my life for the better. I see nothing wrong with that.

    Just my .02 cents against the masses, lol!
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    Glad to hear that you too have a positive experience with the machine!
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    Thanks! Yeah, it has worked wonders for me.

    As much as it has helped me, I still would love to have my go at free-weights at a gym as it would easier to stay motivated, but 4 kids and I watch them most of the time and working 40hrs a week is hard to make extra time.

    For now, will keep doing my thing. Peace!
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    Originally Posted by JackRozen View Post
    Free weights only way to go...
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    Talking

    I'm not sure if anyone has brought this up already - but if you want to see some real comedy go to Craigslist, type in Bowflex, hit search, and behold, about 38293478934798347 listings for "lightly used" and "like new" Bowflexe's that "must go now" for like $300!
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    Originally Posted by ironwill2008 View Post
    He was a good guy, no doubt. I don't know what happened to him. He visited my journal a few times, and I expected to continue a dialog with him. The guy has very good genetics, and I was eventually going to talk him into a rack, bench, and Oly set!
    Originally Posted by yankeemarko1 View Post
    Also, Ruben was respectful and acknowledged that free weights also worked. Where did he go? Also, Ironwill, your arms would be 1" bigger if you used a Bowflex.
    I'm still around! A lot has happened. I thought I would take some time off and let my shoulder heal. I am ready to get back at it. I continued to do what I could to stay in relatively decent shape. I gained my weight back but not all the fat.

    I see you guys haven't slacked off the bowflex. Really didn't expect you to! I think Ironwill's arms would be 2" bigger if he used the Bow. lol.
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    Hello, Ruben! How are you? Any plans to get that rack and bench?
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    Originally Posted by ironwill2008 View Post
    Hello, Ruben! How are you? Any plans to get that rack and bench?
    LOL. Not today.
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    Welcome back there Ruben! Happy new year! Hey how did you injure your shoulder?
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    Originally Posted by yitmy View Post
    Welcome back there Ruben! Happy new year! Hey how did you injure your shoulder?
    Well happy new year to you too! This is gonna be a better year than before.
    I was doing flyes when I felt a slight discomfort in my right shoulder. I finished my workout but when bedtime came around, I could not lay on it. It's all better now, time to get to work.

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    Hey all is good except a client really placed alot of pressure on my arm and now bicep curls are not really the same with that arm. Its improving but slow as heck.

    Hey post your routines up like shoulders and what not. It would be cool to try new things out. You can check my routines out at http://www.muscleandstrength.com/for...yitmy-too.html .

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    I am an advanced trainee (having trained for 20 years now) and used the Bowflex Ultimate XTLU (purchased in 2004) and used it for six years. I actually lost some muscle using it. The strength curves are incorrect on most of the exercises. There is very little to no resistance in the starting positions of exercises. Remember, you don't get resistance until the rods bend sufficiently. In addition, most of the exercises have too much resistance in the so-called "fully contracted positions." Finally, I do not believe the overall negative resistance level - is really sufficient. I actually never measured it, but just going by experience with free weights and other machines which I used for years. I did make some tweaks on my unit such as using shorter handles and smaller clips which did improvement the resistance in the starting positions of movements. I even tried stage reps and partials movements in an attempt to improve the feel and strength curves. In the end, it didn't matter. This unit is not for anyone serious about strength training and bodybuilding.

    On any rate, I recently bought a new Powertec Multi-station (WB-MS10) and it completely BLOWS AWAY the Bowflex in every way - yet much cheaper than most Bowflex units - even after buying Olympic plates.

    So, my advice: stay away from the Bowflex. You would even be far better off with a bench and powerblocks.
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    Great stuff, have to check out your newer things on this.
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    Nice post to hang on..I really loved it the way of the stuff provided in this article..This has given very useful information..
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    Originally Posted by HeavyHitter38 View Post
    On any rate, I recently bought a new Powertec Multi-station (WB-MS10) and it completely BLOWS AWAY the Bowflex in every way - yet much cheaper than most Bowflex units - even after buying Olympic plates.

    So, my advice: stay away from the Bowflex. You would even be far better off with a bench and powerblocks.

    What about the leg station-with the weight so close to the legs do you get a good pump with the WB system? I always liked a longer weight arm(stack) for training legs as opposed to the pin.

    Can you give us a cost of your freeweights and how much weight you have?

    Though I do love my Bflex, I must agree with you that since using more freeweights I have felt and seen more change.
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    Thank you, for answering. But this method works for me only with .. In all other cases I get only strange results, like those below
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    Originally Posted by yitmy View Post
    What about the leg station-with the weight so close to the legs do you get a good pump with the WB system? I always liked a longer weight arm(stack) for training legs as opposed to the pin.

    Can you give us a cost of your freeweights and how much weight you have?

    Though I do love my Bflex, I must agree with you that since using more freeweights I have felt and seen more change.
    The squat is awesome on the WB-MS10 - great on the lower back which gave me trouble on free weight and smith squats. The angle really targets the stress away from the lower back. The leg extension is very good too.

    You know, I liked my Bowflex too. However, it just wasn't capable of the same results as free weights or other types of well made machines. Yes, the pump is great on the Powertec, but more important is the much, much better strength curves and negative resistance. I ended up getting 300 pounds of Olympic plates from Dick's for $160 and just $900 for the machine. I was able to talk them down for 10% off the entire package.
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    I did go to Dicks and tried the machine you have and it had 160lbs on the squat and it did feel OK, just did not feel it in the buttocks as much as freeweight. It had a curl attachment and apparently from use or overuse by others 90 pounds did not seem all that secure with the pad rocking back as I curled the weight. I did get a brochure by mail but still not sold on it due to my experience. I know my home would net be able to contain the multistation but the workbench model may be feasible. Still looking is the verdict.
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    Originally Posted by yitmy View Post
    I did go to Dicks and tried the machine you have and it had 160lbs on the squat and it did feel OK, just did not feel it in the buttocks as much as freeweight. It had a curl attachment and apparently from use or overuse by others 90 pounds did not seem all that secure with the pad rocking back as I curled the weight. I did get a brochure by mail but still not sold on it due to my experience. I know my home would net be able to contain the multistation but the workbench model may be feasible. Still looking is the verdict.
    The Powertec squat definitely involves the glutes (it has to). It's true though, due to to angle, stress is taken off the lower back and knees...and probably to some degree the glutes, but I still feel it there. Maybe it just depends on that person's body structure. If I wanted to, I could actually perform the squat flat footed, but I hurt my lower back doing barbell squats many years ago, so I prefer the angle for my lower back. I would not be able to squat otherwise.

    I would say the squat, pulldown, chest and shoulder press are the very best movements on the unit.

    The seated row, abs, leg extension, and preacher curl are still very good. While the seated row doesn't provide a lot of resistance if you pull the weight all the to your chest, the movement gives a tremendous stretch (which is more important) and provides good resistance for the first 3/4 range of movement.

    You can also do something similar to a bent-over row on it which I like.

    My only gripe is it's hard to perform leg curls on it; they can sort of be done standing, but difficult. There is the leg attachment accessory that would allow me to perform them lying down which I may pick up at some point. I also have my eye on the pec fly accessory.

    Every movement is very, very secure and incredibly smooth.

    The workbench would also be a nice alternative....lots of options on it too. Another great value. Squats are done flatfooted, as well.

    Having trained on a lot of different equipment over the years, the Powertec is right up there with anything I've used.
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    My wife bought me a used Bowflex. Since then I have bought some dumbbells and plan on getting more freeweights and sell the Bowflex. I didn't like the Bowflex, even before I seen this thread. Thank God she only wasted 60 bucks on it. LOL. I can easily sell it for what she paid or even more.
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    if you get the right bowflex , used, its good deal. The ultimate is an older machine, bought it used for 400$, and it has every exercise. squats, bench, deadlift, and every single other exercise. would i like to work with free weights, ye, but i got my moneys worth.
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    Originally Posted by yucko22 View Post
    if you get the right bowflex , used, its good deal. The ultimate is an older machine, bought it used for 400$, and it has every exercise. squats, bench, deadlift, and every single other exercise. would i like to work with free weights, ye, but i got my moneys worth.
    For $400 you can get a used power rack, bench, bar, and weights. That is a much better deal.

    Shoot...even if you wanted some kind of multi-station I actually see a life fitness one in great condition used on craigslist today which would be much better than a bowflex for $375.

    Unless it is near free...I don't think anyone should consider getting a bowflex because something better will come up for the same price with any amount of patience looking at craigslist.

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    Originally Posted by Kodokan View Post
    For $400 you can get a used power rack, bench, bar, and weights. That is a much better deal.

    Shoot...even if you wanted some kind of multi-station I actually see a life fitness one in great condition used on craigslist today which would be much better than a bowflex for $375.

    Unless it is near free...I don't think anyone should consider getting a bowflex because something better will come up for the same price with any amount of patience looking at craigslist.

    Agreed.
    In fact, I got my power rack and an Okie bar for $175. I have gotten 400 lbs of weight plates for $100. I also got a set of Powerblocks 5-45 for $250, nd that came with some weight plates and an FID. So for $525, I got a rack, bar, over 400 lbs of plates, a set of Powerblocks and an FID bench.

    (on a side note, I later upgraded the Powerblocks to 90s and resold them and the bench for $450). Do the math on that one.
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    Bowflex marketing works

    Despite what everyone thinks about bowflex's or not, the fact is they do sell. Whether they buy it and turn it into a clothes hanger or actually use it doesn't matter, they still buy it. There is this rising trend for non-experienced fitness people to get a home gym so that they can train at home without anyone laughing at them or without being intimidated from a public gym and still get the results. And bowflex does do a great job of marketing, people do believe that stuff and some may have had success with it as well. It's so convincing that I've even built a website that sells at home fitness equipment like bowflex and total gym. http://www.basementtraining.com And you know what? It does bring in money. People are still buying this stuff and as long as they keep marketing it, it will continue to sell. That's why I cashed in.
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    Originally Posted by scoops1515 View Post
    Despite what everyone thinks about bowflex's or not, the fact is they do sell. Whether they buy it and turn it into a clothes hanger or actually use it doesn't matter, they still buy it. There is this rising trend for non-experienced fitness people to get a home gym so that they can train at home without anyone laughing at them or without being intimidated from a public gym and still get the results. And bowflex does do a great job of marketing, people do believe that stuff and some may have had success with it as well. It's so convincing that I've even built a website that sells at home fitness equipment like bowflex and total gym. http://www.basementtraining.com And you know what? It does bring in money. People are still buying this stuff and as long as they keep marketing it, it will continue to sell. That's why I cashed in.
    So what the hell is your point? Just because it sells doesn't mean its a good piece of equipment, it just means there are a lot of gullible people out there. Craigslist has used bowflexes all over the damn place, the market is flooded with them. You are selling crap to people, congratulations, but don't expect to gain many friends on this website. We here in the equipment forum like to point people in the right direction... and that sure as hell won't be to your website.
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    Originally Posted by scoops1515 View Post
    Despite what everyone thinks about bowflex's or not, the fact is they do sell. Whether they buy it and turn it into a clothes hanger or actually use it doesn't matter, they still buy it. There is this rising trend for non-experienced fitness people to get a home gym so that they can train at home without anyone laughing at them or without being intimidated from a public gym and still get the results. And bowflex does do a great job of marketing, people do believe that stuff and some may have had success with it as well. It's so convincing that I've even built a website that sells at home fitness equipment like bowflex and total gym. http://www.basementtraining.com And you know what? It does bring in money. People are still buying this stuff and as long as they keep marketing it, it will continue to sell. That's why I cashed in.
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    Teenagers in hs probably would get use out of a bowflex. But it's the same as when we started bench pressing we stopped doing so many pushups. Having talked to people starting in the gym, it's my conclusion most people are intimidated by the freeweight area, and stay with the machine and cable areas. IMHO, most people that begin a weight loss/ fitness buy things like bowflex, ab lounged, ect. Have no idea where to start and don't want to ask. Mainly because they don't know what to ask. They don't realize personal trainers;
    (good ones) are well worth the money. They wander around the gym trying this piece or that level of weight, and about 6 weeks later you never see them again. Then you have the ones that are clueless, buy the bowflex, use it for a month and still don't look like a Mens health model, and either list it on eBay, or store clothes on it. It's truly sad, and they wouldn't even know places like bb. Com exist to help, encourage, guide them in their search
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