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    impressive considering the diet you described

    what did your protien shake consist of?

    just whey protien? or casein? or some extra ingredients? (with low/none fat milk or water?)
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    Originally Posted by Arch101 View Post
    impressive considering the diet you described

    what did your protien shake consist of?

    just whey protien? or casein? or some extra ingredients? (with low/none fat milk or water?)
    Thanks, Arch 101!
    It was just whey with water.
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    Since a few people have asked me for specifics on my cutting diet, here's a roundup of my method:

    I made sure to get 1g/lb LBM of daily protein in, by simply sipping on a 100g whey protein shake during the day. The rest of my protein needs were easily met with solid food. I didn't take any other supplements.

    During the week the diet looked like this: In the morning I only drank a little healthy oil. I ate out for lunch, basically whatever I wanted. I only made sure to get about 50g of protein in as well as some fruits and vegetables to meet the basic nutritional requirements. I would e.g. eat at a chinese buffet, greek restaurant, etc. As far as caloric restriction goes, I went by experience. I can easily get a full stomach at lunch while still losing about 1-2lb a week. In the beginning of the diet, when I was very hungry in the evening, I ate a little snack (e.g. a banana or some ice cream). If I felt like it, I drank 1-3 glasses of red wine.

    On saturday, I tried to get other foods in, which I mostly prepared myself, like eggs, multi-grain bread, steak, etc. but still trying to have the same caloric restrictions as during the week. I also again took in 100g of whey protein.

    On most sundays (if I thought progress allowed it), I had no restriction on food intake at all. I ate as much and whatever I like. The only rule again was protein intake. If not met with solid food I added some whey accordingly. I also drank beer or red wine if I felt like it.

    As far as training goes, I train heavy 3 times a week, split training, about 90min. I usually train 3h after lunch if possible, simply because I feel best at that time. I don't do any cardio.

    I have tried many other approaches in the past, always trying to simplify the set of needed rules. This is the first time, I got rid of all 5 "myths": meal frequency, macro composition, cardio, alcohol, supps. So far, it has been the best cutting diet I ever did.
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    You've meandered over to bb.com now, lol. Expanding your horizons a bit from GB, etc.
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    You've meandered over to bb.com now, lol. Expanding your horizons a bit from GB, etc.
    Saving masochists all over the world, that's my mission. I'm willing to do everything it takes!

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    Awesome. Good work, mate.
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    Awesome. Good work, mate.
    Timber!!!!!!!!!! how goes it?
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    Timber!!!!!!!!!! how goes it?
    I just came off the stomach flu diet. 7lbs in 3 days.
    But other wise...very well. Happy new year to you.
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    Originally Posted by timberwolf View Post
    Awesome. Good work, mate.
    Thanks a lot timberwolf, I think I remember an article of you where you wrote you came to similar conclusion regarding meal frequency and macro composition. Do you have a link to that article, I can't find it anywhere?
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    I just came off the stomach flu diet. 7lbs in 3 days.
    But other wise...very well. Happy new year to you.
    Oh man that sucks! sorry to hear that.

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    Originally Posted by wave_length View Post
    Thanks a lot timberwolf, I think I remember an article of you where you wrote you came to similar conclusion regarding meal frequency and macro composition. Do you have a link to that article, I can't find it anywhere?
    Let me try to look for it.
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    I found the article from timberwolf's blog, with his permission, here is the link:

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    It's an excellent read, I recommend it to everyone interested in a more relaxed way of cutting.
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    Originally Posted by wave_length View Post
    I found the article from timberwolf's blog, with his permission, here is the link:

    http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?f...ogID=176090863

    It's an excellent read, I recommend it to everyone interested in a more relaxed way of cutting.
    Cool article thanks for posting.
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    Cool article thanks for posting.
    thanks, funny thing is I came pretty much to the same conclusions before I even read it
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    Originally Posted by wave_length View Post
    thanks, funny thing is I came pretty much to the same conclusions before I even read it
    The truth is I eat a fair amount of what is considered junk and have always stayed fairly lean and muscular without caring about it. I train hard and obviously got "enough" protein to build muscle. People always worrying about eating clean used to make me laugh.

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    Originally Posted by wave_length View Post
    I found the article from timberwolf's blog, with his permission, here is the link:

    http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?f...ogID=176090863

    It's an excellent read, I recommend it to everyone interested in a more relaxed way of cutting.
    Though I've learned most of that (the hard way) before reading the article, it's nice to have it all put down in one place. The part about bulk/cut cycles is especially interesting, can one really do a 13day bulk/5day cut and see a change?

    Totally bookmarking that, thanks for the find.
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    Originally Posted by libert View Post
    Though I've learned most of that (the hard way) before reading the article, it's nice to have it all put down in one place. The part about bulk/cut cycles is especially interesting, can one really do a 13day bulk/5day cut and see a change?

    Totally bookmarking that, thanks for the find.
    It's what I want to try next, mini bulks and cuts. I doubt however that the cuts will be shorter than the bulks.
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    Originally Posted by wave_length View Post
    Since a few people have asked me for specifics on my cutting diet, here's a roundup of my method:

    I made sure to get 1g/lb LBM of daily protein in, by simply sipping on a 100g whey protein shake during the day. The rest of my protein needs were easily met with solid food. I didn't take any other supplements.

    During the week the diet looked like this: In the morning I only drank a little healthy oil. I ate out for lunch, basically whatever I wanted. I only made sure to get about 50g of protein in as well as some fruits and vegetables to meet the basic nutritional requirements. I would e.g. eat at a chinese buffet, greek restaurant, etc. As far as caloric restriction goes, I went by experience. I can easily get a full stomach at lunch while still losing about 1-2lb a week. In the beginning of the diet, when I was very hungry in the evening, I ate a little snack (e.g. a banana or some ice cream). If I felt like it, I drank 1-3 glasses of red wine.

    On saturday, I tried to get other foods in, which I mostly prepared myself, like eggs, multi-grain bread, steak, etc. but still trying to have the same caloric restrictions as during the week. I also again took in 100g of whey protein.

    On most sundays (if I thought progress allowed it), I had no restriction on food intake at all. I ate as much and whatever I like. The only rule again was protein intake. If not met with solid food I added some whey accordingly. I also drank beer or red wine if I felt like it.

    As far as training goes, I train heavy 3 times a week, split training, about 90min. I usually train 3h after lunch if possible, simply because I feel best at that time. I don't do any cardio.

    I have tried many other approaches in the past, always trying to simplify the set of needed rules. This is the first time, I got rid of all 5 "myths": meal frequency, macro composition, cardio, alcohol, supps. So far, it has been the best cutting diet I ever did.

    Nice
    What was you kcals restriction from day to day.
    I only thought you had an evening meal on your diet and shakes thought the day ? Anyway whats your thoughts on my diet, following your rules of 1gram of protein per lb...


    Morning
    Whey shake 2 scoops in water and 1 fruit.

    6 fish oil tabs
    200mg caffeine tabs
    1000mg green tea tabs

    Lunch
    Whey shake 2 scoops in water and 1 fruit.

    6 fish oil tabs
    200mg caffeine tabs
    1000mg green tea tabs

    Post
    Whey shake 2 scoops in milk.

    Tea
    Red or White meat, with 80gs brown rice and vegs


    All in all it comes to about 1500-1750kcals aday.
    My cutting log:
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    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?p=513460853#post513460853
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    Originally Posted by wave_length View Post
    I found the article from timberwolf's blog, with his permission, here is the link:

    http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?f...ogID=176090863

    It's an excellent read, I recommend it to everyone interested in a more relaxed way of cutting.
    Can someone pm me the article...for some reason the page won't load. Thanks

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    Originally Posted by wave_length View Post
    It's what I want to try next, mini bulks and cuts. I doubt however that the cuts will be shorter than the bulks.
    Good, keep us posted. I'm looking to get ripped as well and I doubt I'll be very eager to go for fat&muscle regular bulks when I finally do get the lean body I've wanted.

    Lookin' ripped in that new avy BTW, bet you can't make up your mind which one to use lol.
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    Originally Posted by BigBoyAdd View Post
    Nice
    What was you kcals restriction from day to day.
    I only thought you had an evening meal on your diet and shakes thought the day ?
    Thanks!

    No, as noted in the post, I ate a big meal at lunch and usually made one big protein shake in the morning which I sipped on during the whole day. I only ate a little snack in the evening (additionally to lunch) at the beginning of the diet, otherwise the rate of weight loss would have been too fast.

    As far as calories go, I didn't count them on this diet, I only adjusted intake by rate of weight loss. But from experience, it was probably something like 1750 cals on weekdays and double that on Sundays evening out to an avarage of about 2000 cals over the course of one week. Since my maintenance is about 2500 cals, I lost about 1lb/week.

    Originally Posted by BigBoyAdd View Post
    Anyway whats your thoughts on my diet, following your rules of 1gram of protein per lb...

    Morning
    Whey shake 2 scoops in water and 1 fruit.

    6 fish oil tabs
    200mg caffeine tabs
    1000mg green tea tabs

    Lunch
    Whey shake 2 scoops in water and 1 fruit.

    6 fish oil tabs
    200mg caffeine tabs
    1000mg green tea tabs

    Post
    Whey shake 2 scoops in milk.

    Tea
    Red or White meat, with 80gs brown rice and vegs


    All in all it comes to about 1500-1750kcals aday.
    Sounds fine to me, pretty much like my diet. How are you doing on it?
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