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    Question Does I-force have a Patent on "Azine Bond Technology"?

    Now, I don't want to get to far ahead of myself here because this product isn't even out yet, but I was wondering if they have rights to this. I understand that this is not a brand new compound and that there has been use of this in the past, but why only Superdrol molecules?

    If possible (I don't know jack about chemistry), I would love to see other compounds bond together with this Azine Technology. Why not use something that we know is less harmful, Halo, Epi, Bold?


    I cannot speak from results on this, but from the write up all i have to say is, innovative and awesome.

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    bump for one anyone?
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    Nope, this compound was listed in texts long ago. I believe this is where Sledge got the idea for superdrol, basically removed the azine bond so it's only one molecule. Or maybe that's where Dr D got it and told him.

    Other companies would be free to clone the product and I'm sure we'll see some at one point or another.

    I suppose I-Force could apply for a patent but it wouldn't be very feasible nor practical if ever granted.
    Yes, there is indeed a deeper component to it all.
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    Originally Posted by wanderlei View Post
    Nope, this compound was listed in texts long ago. I believe this is where Sledge got the idea for superdrol, basically removed the azine bond so it's only one molecule. Or maybe that's where Dr D got it and told him.

    Other companies would be free to clone the product and I'm sure we'll see some at one point or another.

    I suppose I-Force could apply for a patent but it wouldn't be very feasible nor practical if ever granted.
    I wouldnt expect any clones to be honest.
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    Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    I wouldnt expect any clones to be honest.
    why? Has it ever been used before?
    Realize that anyone with an affiliation to a supplement company in their signature has ulterior motives when making recommendations. They're primarily concerned with pushing their products. Not your safety or what's best for you.
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    Originally Posted by Rodzilla View Post
    why? Has it ever been used before?
    has what ever been used before?
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    Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    I wouldnt expect any clones to be honest.
    How come? Any particular reason behind this?
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    This stuff that I-force is coming out has got me so damn intrigued....I WANT IT NOW!!!!
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    Originally Posted by wanderlei View Post
    Nope, this compound was listed in texts long ago. I believe this is where Sledge got the idea for superdrol, basically removed the azine bond so it's only one molecule. Or maybe that's where Dr D got it and told him.

    Other companies would be free to clone the product and I'm sure we'll see some at one point or another.

    I suppose I-Force could apply for a patent but it wouldn't be very feasible nor practical if ever granted.


    i am still awaiting response from the USPTO on my application entitled

    "circular object for facilitation of motion and transportation"
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    Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    i am still awaiting response from the USPTO on my application entitled

    "circular object for facilitation of motion and transportation"
    wow, if that pans out for you, I'd imagine you'd pretty well have the world by the balls?
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    Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    I wouldnt expect any clones to be honest.
    I would. There have been clones of every single ph/ps. Some Chinese manufacturer will claim to have this and some fly by night or shell company will offer it eventually.

    Can you use an azine bond to join other phs together? Imagine someone trying to do this with other phs, perhaps even ones that were banned. 1-AD azine bond. Or could you even combine hormones so you could have a haldrol-epistane azine bond?
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    Originally Posted by wanderlei View Post
    . Or could you even combine hormones so you could have a haldrol-epistane azine bond?
    those two do not have ketone groups so they could not form an azine
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    Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    those two do not have ketone groups so they could not form an azine
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    Originally Posted by wanderlei View Post
    I would. There have been clones of every single ph/ps. Some Chinese manufacturer will claim to have this and some fly by night or shell company will offer it eventually.

    Can you use an azine bond to join other phs together? Imagine someone trying to do this with other phs, perhaps even ones that were banned. 1-AD azine bond. Or could you even combine hormones so you could have a haldrol-epistane azine bond?



    i wouldnt. ya really...in fact i hope another company does release it with chinese raws, I'll explain why if this ever does happen in the future...
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    Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    those two do not have ketone groups so they could not form an azine
    So, phs like 1,4-androstadienedione, Estra-4 9-Diene-3 17-Dione, or even 19-norandrostenedione or 1-testosterone could use an azine bond? I wonder if you could use it to skirt the ph ban and bring back banned substances by attaching them to legal ones. Or perhaps even attach them to themselves and claim a new chemical. But, would these azine bond steroids even exist in nature or be found in the food supply to be DSHEA compliant? I guess that provision doesn't really matter though as there are quite a few phs/ps that don't comply either.


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    i wouldnt. ya really...in fact i hope another company does release it with chinese raws, I'll explain why if this ever does happen in the future...
    Didn't mean to imply any such product would be legit.
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    Originally Posted by wanderlei View Post
    So, phs like 1,4-androstadienedione, Estra-4 9-Diene-3 17-Dione, or even 19-norandrostenedione or 1-testosterone could use an azine bond? I wonder if you could use it to skirt the ph ban and bring back banned substances by attaching them to legal ones. Or perhaps even attach them to themselves and claim a new chemical. But, would these azine bond steroids even exist in nature or be found in the food supply to be DSHEA compliant? I guess that provision doesn't really matter though as there are quite a few phs/ps that don't comply either.




    Didn't mean to imply any such product would be legit.
    no no no it could very well be legit chemically, however i will explain what i mean if i ever see a clone.
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    Originally Posted by wanderlei View Post
    So, phs like 1,4-androstadienedione, Estra-4 9-Diene-3 17-Dione, or even 19-norandrostenedione or 1-testosterone could use an azine bond? I wonder if you could use it to skirt the ph ban and bring back banned substances by attaching them to legal ones. Or perhaps even attach them to themselves and claim a new chemical. But, would these azine bond steroids even exist in nature or be found in the food supply to be DSHEA compliant? I guess that provision doesn't really matter though as there are quite a few phs/ps that don't comply either.
    I really like what you are thinking here. The idea of creating a "new" compound from 2 banned ones or just combining 2 of one compound is brilliant!
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    just for people that still doesn't know , this is not a new steroid, it was known as roxilon and looks like its a good aas in the gains vs sides department:

    Roxilon, Anabolic Steroid
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    Roxilon is the commercial name given to the steroid compound Dimethazine, also known as mebolazine. This potent oral anabolic steroid was derived from dihydrotestosterone and has a very unique structure.

    The dimethazine molecule is made from two methyldrostanolone molecules, bonded together with an azine bridge. When administered, the body chemically breaks this bond so that the drug provides free methyldrostalone, the compound used in Superdrol.

    Dimethazine was first described in 1962 and developed further into a medicine by Ormonoterapia Richter in Italy. The firm sold the steroid as Roxilon throughout Italy and as Dostalon in Mexico. It has also been sold under licence by Lepetit.

    When sold, dimethazine was evaluated to cure and treat several conditions ranging from promotion of growth in underweight children and adolescents, the treatment of osteoporosis and as a general anabolic in conditions necessitating the use of such an agent.

    The steroid has since been added to the list of long and forgotten anabolic preparations. The steroid saw limited success in the medical field and was discontinued by the manufacturer some years ago which marked the end of dimethazine as it was once known.

    When used by athletes, this drug was highly favoured for it?s ability to promote solid gains in lean muscle tissue without excess water retention and fat gain. The results and behaviour of this steroid compares vary similarly with drostanolone propionate (Matheron), although as an oral c-17alpha alkylated steroid it presents considerably more toxicity.

    Under the administration of dimethazine, estrogen related side effects should not be a concern. dimethazine is not aromatised by the body and anti estrogens will not be necessary. Due to the inability to convert to estrogen, even sensitive intervals should not suffer side effects like gynecomastia and a lean ripped look will be produced.

    Androgenic side effects are always likely to present themselves, even with weak anabolic steroids. Side effects relating to the increase of androgens can range from acne and oily skin, to hair loss. Women are warned off using anabolic steroids in doses required to promote muscle growth as typical side effects for women can be, deepening of the voice, facial and body hair growth along with menstrual irregularities.

    Due to dimethazine being part of the c17-alpha alkylated family, liver toxicity is likely and higher doses can result in life threatening conditions. It is advisable to visit a physician periodically throughout administration to spot potential problems early.

    You will not be able to find dimethazine as a steroid for sale anywhere nowadays. It is not commercially produced nor is it available on the black market.
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    Nope, this compound was listed in texts long ago. I believe this is where Sledge got the idea for superdrol, basically removed the azine bond so it's only one molecule.

    I suppose I-Force could apply for a patent but it wouldn't be very feasible nor practical if ever granted.
    I found SD prior to finding Dimethazine.

    The technology is not new and could not be patented.

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    I really like what you are thinking here. The idea of creating a "new" compound from 2 banned ones or just combining 2 of one compound is brilliant!

    i thought about that a while back. and then i quickly unthought it
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    Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    i thought about that a while back. and then i quickly unthought it
    Well, I figured that you would be the guy to go to for info on this. You're name came to mind when writing that post.

    Legality holding you back?
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    Originally Posted by wjb33 View Post
    Well, I figured that you would be the guy to go to for info on this. You're name came to mind when writing that post.

    Legality holding you back?

    i am the only person in the united states that ever went to prison for developing and selling designer steroids. I am sure there are US attorneys out there that would get their jollies on sending me back again
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    i am the only person in the united states that ever went to prison for developing and selling designer steroids. I am sure there are US attorneys out there that would get their jollies on sending me back again
    thats whats ****ed about the whole situation..
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    Originally Posted by MattyH7688 View Post
    thats whats ****ed about the whole situation..


    if i could make designer steroids in my lab and sell them like others sell them i would rule the market and be rich

    the whole DS thing is a little f'ed up though, and i am not sure i would feel 100% comfortable doing it anyway even if i could
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    Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    if i could make designer steroids in my lab and sell them like others sell them i would rule the market and be rich

    the whole DS thing is a little f'ed up though, and i am not sure i would feel 100% comfortable doing it anyway even if i could
    You should have charged Conte more.
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    Well, it really is a shame that it has come to this. I personally feel that you could single handedly own this industry within a couple months of production and formulation. It's just too bad that it couldn't happen.

    But if you do end up in prison again, I will be happy to bring you some protein cookies...
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    You should have charged Conte more.
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    Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    if i could make designer steroids in my lab and sell them like others sell them i would rule the market and be rich

    the whole DS thing is a little f'ed up though, and i am not sure i would feel 100% comfortable doing it anyway even if i could
    teach me everything u know and ill give u all the profit
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    Originally Posted by Sldge View Post
    You should have charged Conte more.
    Ironically enough...I think Pat has stated on here that the reason he didn't go to prison longer is because he practically did it for free and made no profit.
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    Originally Posted by Sldge View Post
    You should have charged Conte more.

    i woulda gone away for more than 3 months if i did and/or woulda had to pay a bigger fine
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