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    Joe Rogan just changed is mind on barenuckle boxing, lol.

    I'm sure most of you listen to his podcast. For the last 2-3years hes been talking about how bareknuckle boxing or bareknuckles in mma would be safer. But I just listened to his latest episode with Jon reep and he said about 85minutes in something along the lines of ," well I've been actually watching some videos lately of bareknuckle boxing and I noticed the guys get pretty cut up, so I think its actually a bad idea.." lol how did he not notice that before. I mean I agreed with how he said the guys wouldn't be able to punch each other as hard barekbuckle but obviously you'd get way more cut up. What do you guys think?
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    lol ....

    Obviously I've never fought in a bareknuckle boxing tournament but IMO aside from the broken hands and cuts to the face because there is no padding on the knuckles it might be safer as far as brain damage as concerned. The cuts to the face is probably less brutal than it looks long-term damage wise.

    you aren't getting kicked in the fkn head or getting your oxygen supply cut off by a choke, so that's always a positive of bare knuckle boxing. And probably getting hit less harder and maybe just less overall. But that's just my opinion.
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    I would take getting choked over getting cut up, punched repeatedly, and especially over getting knocked out or TKO’d. Much less long term damage.
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    Originally Posted by akmerle View Post
    I would take getting choked over getting cut up, punched repeatedly, and especially over getting knocked out or TKO’d. Much less long term damage.
    that's not necessarily true. more modern studies seem to point towards the repetition of blows being more of a factor in cte possibly than single hard shots and one punch kos.
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    In addition to what rollerbar said...

    Do not many chokes involve also some kind of neck cranking? That will fuk you up longterm, not only in terms of cervical spine damage but can it result into nerve damage affecting different parts of the body, e.g. arms. Just listen to JRE podcast, I remember Bas Rutten, Pat Miletich and others having issues with arm use. I believe recently Herb Dean spoke about it too as one of the reasons why he stopped Askren vs Lawler fight when he did.

    Obviously, even being on the giving side of grappling damages the neck, e.g. when you have many many times pushed your head against the body of the opponent when attempting takedown.
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    Originally Posted by rollerball View Post
    that's not necessarily true. more modern studies seem to point towards the repetition of blows being more of a factor in cte possibly than single hard shots and one punch kos.
    Yeah, that's why they say bare knuckle is better. You get KTFO-ed and it's over rather than flurry of punches over 3 rounds in UFC
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    Originally Posted by akmerle View Post
    I would take getting choked over getting cut up, punched repeatedly, and especially over getting knocked out or TKO’d. Much less long term damage.
    TKOs seem brutal and I guess they can be but look at boxing. They have a lot of padding on their gloves and that theoretically should be better right? Not really. In a boxing match you're taking like what 100-200 blows to the head every fight unless you some defensive mastermind. The extra padding doesn't allow for you to get knocked out as easily so therefore it will allow you to take more punches to the head, vs say in an MMA fight or bareknuckle fight where it's easier to knock the person out in a few punches. It's moreso the accumulation of punches rather than that one punch of knockout which causes brain degeneration aka CTE. But MMA is a relatively new sport so we can only really make that determination say 20-30 years from now where fighters now would be in their 50s and 60s. But Boxing and football are notorious for CTE, when it comes to football guys been crashing helmets since they were 13 years old.


    Also you underestimate chokes, chokes are absolutely BRUTAL. They can cut blood circulation to your brain and could cause some cell death.. Chokes classified as neck cranks can fuk up your arteries/blood circulation permanently and cause damage to your spinal cord. Could lead to chit like strokes, chronic headaches, paralysis and impaired motor function of limbs, etc.

    Imagine somebody like Ben Askren getting a clean position on your neck and bulldog choking the chit out of you. Would rather get ktfo by an ngannou uppercut srs.
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    I'd like to see a fight where everything is legal....and if that is too brutal then remove shots to the groin and eye pokes.
    I wish UFC adds stomps,soccer kicks,upkicks,all types of elbows,knees to the head etc...
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    Originally Posted by rollerball View Post
    that's not necessarily true. more modern studies seem to point towards the repetition of blows being more of a factor in cte possibly than single hard shots and one punch kos.
    yea tell that to Tery Etim
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    Originally Posted by Wamrage76 View Post
    I'd like to see a fight where everything is legal....and if that is too brutal then remove shots to the groin and eye pokes.
    I wish UFC adds stomps,soccer kicks,upkicks,all types of elbows,knees to the head etc...
    I agree, I say add everything except groin kicks and eye gouging.
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    His entire idea about it forcing people to pick shots better........ goes out the window when they can still wrap the wrists and hand.

    It's crazy! The wraps turn ur arm into a gauntlet
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    Originally Posted by Darkhare View Post
    His entire idea about it forcing people to pick shots better........ goes out the window when they can still wrap the wrists and hand.

    It's crazy! The wraps turn ur arm into a gauntlet
    right totally. But when he said bareknuckle I think he meant literally no wraps or anything, just barefists. I know the Irish wrap their hands. But I think Joe meant like literally barefists. Yeah if you wrap your hands it turns them into more lethal weapons.
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    Originally Posted by sooby View Post
    lol ....

    Obviously I've never fought in a bareknuckle boxing tournament but IMO aside from the broken hands and cuts to the face because there is no padding on the knuckles it might be safer as far as brain damage as concerned. The cuts to the face is probably less brutal than it looks long-term damage wise.

    you aren't getting kicked in the fkn head or getting your oxygen supply cut off by a choke, so that's always a positive of bare knuckle boxing. And probably getting hit less harder and maybe just less overall. But that's just my opinion.
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    bareknuckle fighting is way more dangerous, its a myth that having gloves cause more damage
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    Originally Posted by Swept View Post
    bareknuckle fighting is way more dangerous, its a myth that having gloves cause more damage
    Based on what? It's a similar argument to the padding in the NFL. The more protection, the harder we hit. The harder we get hit, despite the protection, the more damage is received.
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    Originally Posted by chino3 View Post
    Based on what? It's a similar argument to the padding in the NFL. The more protection, the harder we hit. The harder we get hit, despite the protection, the more damage is received.
    right, i agree with you. Its just the problem with bareknuckle boxing is the guys will get cut up more and i think thats just something they dont want to see in competitions. And joe rogan has talked about changing the football helmets/protection many times, but i think we all know thats probably never going to happen.
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    right, i agree with you. Its just the problem with bareknuckle boxing is the guys will get cut up more and i think thats just something they dont want to see in competitions. And joe rogan has talked about changing the football helmets/protection many times, but i think we all know thats probably never going to happen.
    The bareknuckle boxing just looks more brutal, less palatable to the general population and it really just kinda looks like/gives the vibe of a poverty sport where two bums are pitted against each other in a cage. Gloves sort of add that professionalism and legitimacy as a sport and obviously guys are getting less cut up and probably not breaking wrists, hands as much.
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    its cool how he's honest about being wrong and being so willing to change his mind. i would expect more broken hands but your talking about savages that will fight with broken noses jaws arms legs toes just some fights that come to mind. most fighters have fought concussed. i think he underestimated the mental and physical toughness of some of these athletes. its like when he talks about taking pads and helmets away from foot ball. he's being naive those athletes will kill each other to win if that's what it takes there extreme competitors.

    i think its crazy to think any fighter is pulling punches just because his hands aren't wrapped or gloved. You ever been in a fight and thought hmm let me pull this punch cause i could break my hand or are you thinking i think i have a clean shot here I'm knocking this mother ****er out?
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    Originally Posted by chino3 View Post
    Based on what? It's a similar argument to the padding in the NFL. The more protection, the harder we hit. The harder we get hit, despite the protection, the more damage is received.
    Based on history, boxing gloves used to be smaller with less padding and the reason they increased the size was cause of the death toll and career ending damage. LOL You really think it’s more damaging to hit a person with a glove than a bare knuckle. Theirs a reason it’s not 12 rounds, all the fighters would die of brain hemorrhage




    Btw it’s the same with football, the reason they introduced more padding was cause football players were killing each other in the field. 1900-1905 45 football players died.
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    I guess kudos for having the presence of mind to change his opinion. I get why he supported it initially, but there is plenty of footage of bareknuckle fights online. For a guy who can be considered an expert in fighting you'd think he'd realize the damage a bareknuckle fight causes.
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    Originally Posted by chino3 View Post
    Based on what? It's a similar argument to the padding in the NFL. The more protection, the harder we hit. The harder we get hit, despite the protection, the more damage is received.
    You have to take one left hook to the face. Would you rather that guy do it bareknuckle or with a boxing glove in?
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    when was the last time 2 ufc guys came out of a fight looking like this?

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    Originally Posted by Wamrage76 View Post
    I'd like to see a fight where everything is legal....and if that is too brutal then remove shots to the groin and eye pokes.
    I wish UFC adds stomps,soccer kicks,upkicks,all types of elbows,knees to the head etc...


    Pride did have them, wat6ch that instead of UFC.



    Many smaller promotions do as well.
    Problem is it's really hard to differentiate a knockout from a knockdown in the heat of the moment. Imagine a kickboxer knocking his oponent out and soccer kicking his unconcious body.
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    Mind blown at prize fighters from back in the day (see: Tom Cribb) fighting bare knuckle for 20+ rounds.



    I’ve always agreed with bare knuckle being ‘safer’


    You’re going to get cut badly, and knocked out easier, but the thumping repetition of padded gloves is far more damaging long term.
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    Originally Posted by Wamrage76 View Post
    I'd like to see a fight where everything is legal....and if that is too brutal then remove shots to the groin and eye pokes.
    I wish UFC adds stomps,soccer kicks,upkicks,all types of elbows,knees to the head etc...

    So watch Vale Tudo (NHB)
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    In before:

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