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    Originally Posted by ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION View Post

    IntrAbolic is 4 CENTS more per gram of active and you are getting a FULL spectrum of ALL the essential amino-acids needed to build muscle, you are getting a custom over 30% hydrolyzed whey protein, which was more expensive for us than free-form amino-acids. You get a KNOWN amount of leucine per serving[5g] and you get a KNOWN amount of beta-alanine per serving {3.2g}

    To the consumer, ask yourself is that is worth 4cents more per gram of active? To some it is, to some perhaps it isn't.

    Regardless, IntrAbolic offers exceptional value for what is contains.

    I would pay extra to know what I am geting. Why wont CL tell us how much BA is in there and other things? Seems shady

    Originally Posted by ravensmadness View Post
    I've tried PW, intrabolic, and today for the first time i tried core abc. Here are my thoughts on all three
    PW- Didn't like the taste and didn't notice much of boost to be honest. Maybe it was just a bad day though?
    Intrabolic- I really liked the way my workouts were while on this and the taste was decent, i had the best workout i can ever remember having a week or two while i was on in but my stomach didn't like it nearly as much as my muscles did.
    Core ABC- It agreed with my stomach and my tastebuds. Plus, my workouts seemed about the same as with intrabolic.
    So all in all the one i'll be keeping around is Core ABC
    This is probably the best post in this thread because he has tried all three of these products.

    I like Intrabolic over PW and I have yet to try Core ABC but I am interested.
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    Originally Posted by or_yourlivingtodie View Post
    PURPLE WRAATH FOR THE MUTHA ****IN WIN!!!!


    cant beat the ingredient profile + price per serving!!!
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    Originally Posted by Myosin10 View Post
    I would pay extra to know what I am getting. Why wont CL tell us how much BA is in there and other things? Seems shady
    This is so other companies don't copy their formula I believe.
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    i DONT KNOW BUT i THINK IM GETTING INTO THE HYPE OF INTRA WORKOUT DRINKS!!!!

    lol..Idk it just seems like another product to dump money on...
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    purple wraath has a good profile but it just tastes like ass


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    Originally Posted by ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION View Post
    Samples are not out, just PM showtime in the thread- http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=109351381

    We will continue to offer these for quite some time.
    Wow.I just saw that your product only last 21 servings...Way to expensive =-/.I want stuff that last for atleast a month. Im giving M-stack a shot to see if it gives me that edge but thats prob the last prod I get that last 21 days lol
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    Originally Posted by pu12en12g View Post
    The word is slowly spreading !
    tomorrow when i finish it off...
    made a video review for teh lemonade flavor.....

    you'll jizz your panties pt
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    Originally Posted by sensei101 View Post
    Wow.I just saw that your product only last 21 servings...Way to expensive =-/.I want stuff that last for atleast a month. Im giving M-stack a shot to see if it gives me that edge but thats prob the last prod I get that last 21 days lol
    wraath can last you up to 90 workout days........

    for 50$ you cant get much better than that!

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    PW have any creatine?
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    Toss up between Purple Wraath and IntrAbolic for me, since having the chance to sample IntrAbolic. PW, overall, can't be beat though when taking into account both effectiveness and value.

    Should be interesting to see what universal is going to bring to the table. Hopefully something mildly original and not just a variation of whats already out there.
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    Originally Posted by sensei101 View Post
    PW have any creatine?
    cant read teh label yourself??

    haha nope
    no creatine, its an EAA drink....

    Essential
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    and my personal favorite.........its got beta alanine in it
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    LOL at the way this thread has developed.

    Intrabolic, Purple Wraath, and Core ABC are all good products.

    When it comes down to it, you should use what works best for you and fits into your budget.
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    Originally Posted by Free Weight Friedel View Post
    LOL at the way this thread has developed.

    Intrabolic, Purple Wraath, and Core ABC are all good products.

    When it comes down to it, you should use what works best for you and fits into your budget.
    and PW fits all budgets


    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=6870661

    thats my write up on GRAPE flavor......
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    I still think intra wo drinks are waste of money.I have some samples downstairs so ill give them a shot on chest days and back and legs..After deads and squats im dead so if this keep me up..maybe..
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    Thanks ok 2 more questions though, if the protein is 30% hydrolyzed dosen't that mean that the other 70% is not hydrolyzed and thus is WPI or WPC?

    And also, where can i get the sample? lol ^_^

    Originally Posted by ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION View Post
    Again, nice post.

    Well the AO topic isn't even remotely controversial in the research community, just with the good bro's here on bb.com. Understand, that just about everything you ingest around workouts has anti-oxidant effects, like.....wait for it.......... AMINO-ACIDS!! Beta-alanine, carnosine and many other things we take around workouts, also have antioxidant activity. Should we not take amino-acids around workouts becuase they have some antioxidant effects? My answer, would be a strong HELL NO. The whole argument is incredibly weak, overblown and taken out of context, by looking at research that Mega dosed single AO's or megadose NAC+C. Actually on the contrary, boosting our body's AO's capacity, has shown anti-fatigue effects, reduced muscle soreness and many of them protect and help stabilize NO. The list goes on and on.



    That is true, but there is quite a bit more to it than that. One of the ways we know protein synthesis is stimulated, is the concentration of amino-acids in EXTRACELLULAR fluid. Spiking amino-acids concentration, DURING workouts, when blood flow is highest, is a great thing for maximizing the anabolic response and increasing amino-acid uptake. Couple that with the fastest absorbed short chain peptides and ffAA's, you can really take advantage of this increased blood flow and cellular sensitivity. There's more on this topic, in our IntrAbolic FAQ thread.




    Yes, there is a aerobic study malate, in rats, that showed some promise. If anything, it's highly likely that IF there are any benefits from citrulline/malate, they are from the malate and they are aerobic in nature. I still see nothing wrong with citrulline/malate, it just doesn't have any solid supportive evidence.





    See, if they have WPI or WPC they will have the alergenic fractions.

    100% hydrolyzed, would mean it's all free-form amino acids and we just lost the benefit of the short chain di-and tripeptides. Our over 30% hydrolyzed whey, will provide you with 70-80% di-and tripeptides, which is as high as I've ever seen, with another hydrolysate, Peptopro, have similar % of peptides.

    Give a sample and try and see how you respond and NO, you do not have to write a review, lol
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    Originally Posted by Progressive8 View Post
    if the protein is 30% hydrolyzed dosen't that mean that the other 70% is not hydrolyzed and thus is WPI or WPC?
    No. Each protein hydrolysate is a complex mixture of peptides of different chain length together with free amino acids, which can be defined by a global value known as degree of hydrolysis (DH), which is the fraction of peptide bonds that have been cleaved in the starter protein. However, even the exact information on DH cannot not tell us the whole story, as two protein hydrolysates made by different methods may have a similar degree of hydrolysis even though their absorption kinetics are likely quite different.
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    I appreaciate the response but i don't get it ^_^U

    Originally Posted by Anssi Manninen View Post
    No. Each protein hydrolysate is a complex mixture of peptides of different chain length together with free amino acids, which can be defined by a global value known as degree of hydrolysis (DH), which is the fraction of peptide bonds that have been cleaved in the starter protein. However, even the exact information on DH cannot not tell us the whole story, as two protein hydrolysates made by different methods may have a similar degree of hydrolysis even though their absorption kinetics are likely quite different.
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    Don't post here much but thought i would throw my input in anyway....

    First off i have used Xtend, PW, Size-on and Intrabolic. I am actually surprised there are not more ppl in here talking about Size-on...but eh w/e.

    I think they all may have their own uses in different situations, beliefs, and budget. I liked all these products, PW is great for EAAs plus some goodies and i like it pre-workout with carbs at times. While i like xtend i personally think if your gonna go the BCAA route then Core ABC would be the way to go. I also really enjoyed combining Size-on and PW during my lifts for a couple of months(before IA came out..)

    With all that said Intrabolic is the king right now. I believe this thread was about which product was best, and everyone may talk about price but i am pretty sure most of you are not penny pinchers with your supplements so maybe you should stop purchasing a bunch of random things that don't work and just put your money towards quality supplements. Intrabolic has a strong formula, gives you the exact doses for the major components of the formula and superior ingredients. Maybe AEN should just label it with 40 servings so ppl realize its not underdosed(based on only 20 servings..) but i know they won't bc that is not how they work.

    All in all i believe a combination of Size-on and Intrabolic should be the ultimate combo(while expensive but well spent IMO). I think if you look hard you can see obvious reasons why these products are more superior for during your workouts while the others mentioned so far still can be used for other reasons.

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    Thanks ok 2 more questions though, if the protein is 30% hydrolyzed dosen't that mean that the other 70% is not hydrolyzed and thus is WPI or WPC?

    And also, where can i get the sample? lol ^_^
    Nope, I've had this exact question asked many times before, see below.


    Originally Posted by ajnast4r View Post
    so lets say we have 1lb of bulk whey... 30% of that 1lb is having certain peptide bonds split enzymatically, with 80% of that 30% being di & tripeptides. 70% of the whey is left in its original state... leaving you with about 25% of that 1lb being di & tripeptides and 5% larger chain fractions.

    i think you probably know the company im talking about(PM me if you dont) claims that their whey is 100% hydrolyzed... no large fractions left in the product at ALL... with 55% of the total weight being in di/tripeptide form.

    who knows maybe they are full of ****, but their product doesnt taste bad... and dont get me wrong im not trying to bust ur balls, im just saying. intrabolic could actually be catfood flavored and ide still use it, because its one of the few products ive tried that actually works.
    Originally Posted by ATHLETIC EDGE N View Post
    Good post and actually something we address in our IntrAbolic write-up as I find it very misleading to state 100% hydrolyzed whey, as it confuses people with the % of hydrolysis the whey has undergone, with the % of WPH the product uses. A product could be all(100%) whey protein hydrolysate, but be any % hydrolyzed. It could literally be 1% hydrolyzed, but you could still say the product contains all of it protein from WPH, so that's a 100%. It's just very confusing for the customer to use % in this way, when % of hydrolysis is something completely different.

    If a whey was 100% hydrolyzed..lol, it would be ALL free-form amino acids, which would lose the whole point of trying to produce the di-and tripeptides.

    If a company, is stating, they use 100% hydrolyzed whey and have 55% di-and tripeptides, its actual degree of hydrolysis, will be somewhere in the 20's.

    Alot of people thought, atleast at the start, when we said our whey was over 30% hydrolyzed, it meant that the remaining 70% of the protein was not. The % of hydrolysis DOES NOT MEAN THIS AT ALL, otherwise, for example, we wouldn't have our over 30% hydrolyzed whey being compromised of 70-80% of di-and tripeptides.

    It means the avg size of protein has been broken down(reduced) by over 30%.

    Appreciate your kind words and in no way think you are trying to give me a hard time.
    More importantly is knowing the % of di-and tripeptides.

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    Originally Posted by Anssi Manninen View Post
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    Just in case some of you don't know, Anssi has written/published more on whey protein hydrolysate than just about anyone on the world. He is one of the worlds authorities on it and has had research studies published. If you want to read some of the best sports nutrition articles out there, google his name and check out the literally hundreds of articles he has had published.

    His opinions carry ALOT of weight
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    Originally Posted by DaveGabe24 View Post
    Here's two great threads that portray quite nicely how everyone feels about IntrAbolic...mind you the polls in the first thread got a little out of hand (they're private, so people tend to exploit)..but the posts are great reads.

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=109105271

    Here, with public polls, you can see how the voting changed.

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=6143631


    We are also offering samples!!

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    The above threads are the largest collection of feedback from people that have tried all these products and worth reading through.

    Originally Posted by Myosin10 View Post
    I would pay extra to know what I am geting. Why wont CL tell us how much BA is in there and other things? Seems shady
    This is probably the best post in this thread because he has tried all three of these products.

    I like Intrabolic over PW and I have yet to try Core ABC but I am interested.
    Originally Posted by sensei101 View Post
    Wow.I just saw that your product only last 21 servings...Way to expensive =-/.I want stuff that last for atleast a month. Im giving M-stack a shot to see if it gives me that edge but thats prob the last prod I get that last 21 days lol
    You only take ONE serving of IntrAbolic per workout, which last most guys 1-1.5 months. It was NOT dosed or designed to go over one scoop and you never need to or should. It's a different approach we took when formulating IntrAbolic. Some people get it and respect the approach, some people don't. Regardless, this is the way we designed IntrAbolic.

    Originally Posted by Bolt10 View Post
    Don't post here much but thought i would throw my input in anyway....

    First off i have used Xtend, PW, Size-on and Intrabolic. I am actually surprised there are not more ppl in here talking about Size-on...but eh w/e.

    I think they all may have their own uses in different situations, beliefs, and budget. I liked all these products, PW is great for EAAs plus some goodies and i like it pre-workout with carbs at times. While i like xtend i personally think if your gonna go the BCAA route then Core ABC would be the way to go. I also really enjoyed combining Size-on and PW during my lifts for a couple of months(before IA came out..)

    With all that said Intrabolic is the king right now. I believe this thread was about which product was best, and everyone may talk about price but i am pretty sure most of you are not penny pinchers with your supplements so maybe you should stop purchasing a bunch of random things that don't work and just put your money towards quality supplements. Intrabolic has a strong formula, gives you the exact doses for the major components of the formula and superior ingredients. Maybe AEN should just label it with 40 servings so ppl realize its not underdosed(based on only 20 servings..) but i know they won't bc that is not how they work.

    All in all i believe a combination of Size-on and Intrabolic should be the ultimate combo(while expensive but well spent IMO). I think if you look hard you can see obvious reasons why these products are more superior for during your workouts while the others mentioned so far still can be used for other reasons.

    Cliffs:
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    Very good post and solid feedback from someone who has tried some of the different products.

    Yeah, maybe we should just half dose it and label it 40 servings to follow the trend of underdosed products that you need to take 2-3+ scoops to get into the efficacious range, for guys that weigh 200lbs+. j/k of course, that's not our philosophy and frankly I was personally tired of using products that needed to be doubled, tripled or more to get the correct research dosage of ingredients.
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    got it thanks, so it's 100 percent WPH with the degree of hydrolysis being 30% ^_^

    Originally Posted by ATHLETIC EDGE NUTRITION View Post
    Nope, I've had this exact question asked many times before, see below.






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    Originally Posted by Progressive8 View Post
    got it thanks, so it's 100 percent WPH with the degree of hydrolysis being 30% ^_^
    Yes, exactly and the % of hydrolysis is what creates the % of di-and tripeptides, which is where the advantages of hydrolysates come from. But yeah, you got it.
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    Originally Posted by kimlin85 View Post
    when i tried the pw sample packet i did feel more energy when i lifted. samples are nice but i think if you really want to know how well something works, one sample is not enough.
    thanks for your feedback
    Originally Posted by thehulk50 View Post
    ya i tried out mixing a scoop of PW with my white flood and then 2 scoops during my workout, even before my workout started i couldnt sit still from the energy i was getting...indeed PW is the best intra-workout supp. on the market.....the only way i would ever try a different companies product if I was to get it for free or receive multiple sample packets, im addicted to the purple drank!!
    solid combo right there. the CL products are designed for great stacking choices.
    Originally Posted by sensei101 View Post
    Wait im a bit confused.What CL supp has creatine and which doesn't?
    the "green" ones do
    Originally Posted by or_yourlivingtodie View Post
    PURPLE WRAATH FOR THE MUTHA ****IN WIN!!!!


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    Originally Posted by RippedFibers View Post
    I like Purple Wraath.

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    Originally Posted by or_yourlivingtodie View Post
    tomorrow when i finish it off...
    made a video review for teh lemonade flavor.....

    you'll jizz your panties pt
    looking forward to that. when purple wraath makes people this happy, we know we did something right
    Originally Posted by sensei101 View Post
    PW have any creatine?
    nope
    Originally Posted by RxAJ View Post
    Toss up between Purple Wraath and IntrAbolic for me, since having the chance to sample IntrAbolic. PW, overall, can't be beat though when taking into account both effectiveness and value.
    very true, most people arent made of money. purple wraath is both very effective and affordable on a consistent workout/cardio basis.
    Originally Posted by or_yourlivingtodie View Post
    and PW fits all budgets


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    Originally Posted by pu12en12g View Post
    For what it's worth, Purple WRAATH is the #1 endurance product on BB.COM and has been for some time.
    No disagreement here and PW definitely deserves it. When I think "endurance", I almost always think Cardio-related and that's where this shines best. I believe MAN Body Octane and Champion Revenge Pro also could potentially either be of the same quality or possibly better, particularly if stacked, though that might make some negative taste considerations. When I think of Lifting, though, the workouts are generally not of sufficient duration to really call to mind "endurance", though I believe it does play a role.

    Originally Posted by sensei101 View Post
    Wow.I just saw that your product only last 21 servings...Way to expensive =-/.I want stuff that last for atleast a month.
    Are you saying you have a Lifting workout more than 21 times per month?

    Originally Posted by Free Weight Friedel View Post
    LOL at the way this thread has developed.

    Intrabolic, Purple Wraath, and Core ABC are all good products.

    When it comes down to it, you should use what works best for you and fits into your budget.
    I think the latter in that last sentence is more important than the former, but the first two definitely have a very solid value at their current price points.

    Originally Posted by RonShipman View Post
    you guys ever just drink water while working out? do you always have to be drinking some damn powder mix of some junk.
    I used to pre-load and then just use straight water for the workouts for years. During super-intense Cardio, I also tend to use straight water, though that is more a matter of avoidance of distraction than anything else. While that method does have some usefulness (such as pure speed, for instance), if you want to drive performance higher, it makes sense to use tools, which is what I consider both of these things. Technological advances have made it possible to have both of them and while I don't consider PW vs. IA to be a particularly fair or valid comparison, both of them are at the top of their respective fields in terms of the jobs they were built to do...I think a lot of the dissension in this thread is coming from people trying to cross fields of expertise with these two and that is somewhat from the lack of specific definition by the term "workout"...
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