Checkmate, Atheists!

[AtheoS]

Christians Win....

[tenthirtytwo]

Poe's law? Checkmate!

Good watch.

[ripper6]

Why don't you get serious and listen to serious debates and see how the atheists do in them?

Start with this one: http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billc...ig-atkins.html

Then you can go on to the rest of the list: http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billc...s/debates.html


After that, watch for the movied "Expelled" by Ben Stein to come out on DVD and then rent it. Read Vox Day's book "The Irrational Atheist". And then see if atheists are checkmated or not.

I'm still waiting, on the other thread, for an atheist to post the logical syllogism that proves/concludes God doesn't exist. None of the atheists seem to be able to do that or to even try. Do you want to try?

[tenthirtytwo]

Why don't you get serious and listen to serious debates and see how the atheists do in them?

Start with this one: http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billc...ig-atkins.html

Then you can go on to the rest of the list: http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billc...s/debates.html


After that, watch for the movied "Expelled" by Ben Stein to come out on DVD and then rent it. Read Vox Day's book "The Irrational Atheist". And then see if atheists are checkmated or not.

I'm still waiting, on the other thread, for an atheist to post the logical syllogism that proves/concludes God doesn't exist. None of the atheists seem to be able to do that or to even try. Do you want to try?

I already did post one that comes to the conclusion that a god does not exist.

Also if you bought into Expelled, you should probably head to the nearest farmer to get your wool sheared off.

[Gordon Bombay]

lol @ Expelled

[Amris]

I'm still waiting, on the other thread, for an atheist to post the logical syllogism that proves/concludes God doesn't exist. None of the atheists seem to be able to do that or to even try. Do you want to try?

I believe in God, though no doubt not by the same description as you...

That being said, no one has to "prove God doesn't exist" any more than someone has to prove that Santa or purple unicorns don't exist.

We don't assume that, because children believe in Santa, he must be more real than a purple unicorn. We don't assume that Santa DOES exist simply because no one has proven, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that he DOESN'T.

But you know what? Children all over the place believe in Santa, and many of them even get "from Santa" gifts to prove it!

[curtis999]

I'm still waiting, on the other thread, for an atheist to post the logical syllogism that proves/concludes God doesn't exist.

See there is you're problem right there. Science does not pove anything to NOT exist or happen. It only shows the probability or improbability of something like God.

I'm not the one who WANTS to believe in God. You are obligated to prove his existance to me/others.

Belief in God, based on the fact that nothing is 100% impossible, is NOT proof!

You might be able to jump off a cliff and live. Maybe. Who knows what might happen to affect your fall and keep you alive no matter how improbable, but the belief that you can, and should, jump off cliffs is assinine.

[ripper6]

See there is you're problem right there. Science does not pove anything to NOT exist or happen. It only shows the probability or improbability of something like God.

I'm not the one who WANTS to believe in God. You are obligated to prove his existance to me/others.

Belief in God, based on the fact that nothing is 100% impossible, is NOT proof!

You might be able to jump off a cliff and live. Maybe. Who knows what might happen to affect your fall and keep you alive no matter how improbable, but the belief that you can, and should, jump off cliffs is assinine.

Your problem is, the same as other atheists, that you can't accept reason and acknowledge that agnosticism and not atheism is the only rational position you can hold - other than accepting God.

Atheism is not rational. It is a dogmatic, personal, unscientific, assertion, and not a logical conclusion. It is its own "leap of faith" accepting a dogma of its own making.

I'm not "obligated" to "prove" to you there is a God - particularly if you operate from a position of ill will and your criteriology is defective and your personality dogmatic and your thinking irrational.

How can you "prove" to someone born blind that the moon exists? Give that a try.

[tenthirtytwo]

How can you "prove" to someone born blind that the moon exists? Give that a try.

Are you implying that all atheists have some defect that doesn't allow them to realize that a god exists? I'm curious, who made us have that defect in, from your viewpoint?

I also already covered your "atheists vs agnostics" logic in the other thread. You are creating your own labels, which you simply can't do.

[Amris]

How can you "prove" to someone born blind that the moon exists? Give that a try.

More importantly, PROVE that there are no invisible unicorns on my front lawn.

[Kion]

Just something I whipped up. If anyone can improve on, I'll rep yah for what it's worth.

[iamlegend]

Are you implying that all atheists have some defect that doesn't allow them to realize that a god exists? I'm curious, who made us have that defect in, from your viewpoint?

I also already covered your "atheists vs agnostics" logic in the other thread. You are creating your own labels, which you simply can't do.

Well, I do know that Michael Shermer has quite a bit more expertise on this subject than anyone on this board. If he says that using atheism as a label doesn't work..I am sticking with him.

[UltimateDOOM]

wow he is a typical christian. all christians think just like him, they are sick in the head

[ripper6]

I also already covered your "atheists vs agnostics" logic in the other thread. You are creating your own labels, which you simply can't do.

I didn't invent the words "atheist" or "agnostic", nor did I define them. Check the dictionary, which I also did not write. I'm not creating my own labels - which I simply did not do.

I didn't invent the label "fool" either, but you are filling that roll superbly. Keep posting!

[ripper6]

Well, I do know that Michael Shermer has quite a bit more expertise on this subject than anyone on this board. If he says that using atheism as a label doesn't work..I am sticking with him.

That's an example of the logical fallacy of Argumentum ad Verecundiam. You had better withdraw what you said.

[ripper6]

Are you implying that all atheists have some defect that doesn't allow them to realize that a god exists? I'm curious, who made us have that defect in, from your viewpoint?

Seems you haven't had much of an education. But you can try studying some psychology (cf "denial") or theology(cf "error invincibilis") or just remember the ancient and cogent saying: "None are so blind as those who will not see."

[Amris]

You lose, you still haven't proved that invisible unicorns didn't make the marks on my front lawn.

Anything that you can't prove doesn't exist, must therefor exist. You are in denial if you refuse to admit to the existance of invisible unicorns on my front lawn.

Speaking of people who are good at displaying the true meaning of the word, "fool," you are making the grade quite well, yourself, ripper6. After all, you have no professed the almighty invisible unicorns, with exist by virtue of the fact that no one can prove they DON'T exist.

[heathershubby]

You lose, you still haven't proved that invisible unicorns didn't make the marks on my front lawn.

Anything that you can't prove doesn't exist, must therefor exist. You are in denial if you refuse to admit to the existance of invisible unicorns on my front lawn.

Speaking of people who are good at displaying the true meaning of the word, "fool," you are making the grade quite well, yourself, ripper6. After all, you have no professed the almighty invisible unicorns, with exist by virtue of the fact that no one can prove they DON'T exist.

I can't believe I am getting involved in a rip discussion but I am lol


I think the difference is Christians do not define who they are by the fact that they don't believe in unicorns.

Atheists define themselves by what they don't believe in and that kind of brings the onus on them to prove their belifes in order to give understanding of who they are by what they believe.

Again I tread lightly here because I think this video is seriously a spoof and if it is not the guy is a tool.

I don't think their will ever be atheist who feels the need to prove God does not exist so its pointless to argue this point.

[ripper6]

You lose, you still haven't proved that invisible unicorns didn't make the marks on my front lawn.

Stop trying to change the subject, just because you are losing the argument.

Atheists are not agnostics. Agnostics recognize that God can't be proved/disproved, given the criteriological limitations. That is a rational position to hold. Atheists try to "prove" to everyone else that there is no God. They fail to see their criteriological and empistemological limitations and just make a dogmatic assertion - which is irrational.

Atheists are irrational. Agnostics are rational.

Prove to me that I don't have irrational atheists dancing around on this forum. You're doing a jig here yourself, and that is more entertaining to watch than the unicorns on your lawn.

[AtheoS]

Again I tread lightly here because I think this video is seriously a spoof and if it is not the guy is a tool.
.

This guy is spoofing, he is an atheist, I just thougt it was funny. He has some other funny religious videos. No harm intended.

[curtis999]

... that agnosticism and not atheism is the only rational position you can hold - other than accepting God..

I'm not an agnostic about Zeus or bigfoot. Are you?


I'm not "obligated" to "prove" to you there is a God ...
True. However you started this discussion. As per my above post, there is no disproving God. So do you have something to show or say as regards to proof of Him? Or, no?

How can you "prove" to someone born blind that the moon exists? Give that a try

Are you serious?!!
...not to get to much into this...
For starters you could have them touch models resembling the solar system. You could take them to the beach and have them feel the waves and perhaps 'observe' the tide. You could then explain that the small ball, that you had them hold, that moves around the earth (slightly bigger ball is called the moon and effects us here on earth and is in part responsoble for some of the 'observations' they made earlier.

...I know that was unecessary but...

Also, I dont profess to be God. If I'm unable to get my point across it doesn't mean that there must be a supreme being.
If God is UNABLE to 'show' a blind person the moon or convince someone of his existance through evidence, then He is just as imperfect and inept as the rest of us.

I didn't invent the label "fool" either, but you are filling that roll superbly. Keep posting!

First to insult, though.
Doesn't surprise me.
...negged!

You had better withdraw what you said.

Lol! ...or what?

[basement iron]

Why don't you get serious and listen to serious debates and see how the atheists do in them?

Start with this one: http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billc...ig-atkins.html

Then you can go on to the rest of the list: http://www.leaderu.com/offices/billc...s/debates.html


After that, watch for the movied "Expelled" by Ben Stein to come out on DVD and then rent it. Read Vox Day's book "The Irrational Atheist". And then see if atheists are checkmated or not.

I'm still waiting, on the other thread, for an atheist to post the logical syllogism that proves/concludes God doesn't exist. None of the atheists seem to be able to do that or to even try. Do you want to try?

That awful movie has already dropped off of the face of the earth.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/expe...gence_allowed/

[heathershubby]

This guy is spoofing, he is an atheist, I just thougt it was funny. He has some other funny religious videos. No harm intended.

NO harm no foul I actually liked the video. I think these are the mass arguments most Christians have and after comming on these boards a couple years ago I have learned to be "constantly teachable" I came with those arguments expecting those to be exceptable with everyone and was quickly pwnd.

I am often still pwnd out here but almost every discussion leads me to further study of what I believe and my arguments get better and better and I grow in my faith and in understanding of things I have little understanding of.

[curtis999]

Atheists are not agnostics. Agnostics recognize that God can't be proved/disproved, given the criteriological limitations. That is a rational position to hold. .

Sure, and keep leaving your cookies and milk and maybe, just maybe, one day Santa will eat them.

...can't be sure He's not real.

[SledgeBoy]

First of all, Atheists can never prove that God doesn't exist anymore then someone can prove that God does exist. Atheists should be content with themselves instead of trying to convince people that God doesn't exist, in fact, that sounds a lot like a religion in itself.

On the other hand, Christians shouldn't/don't need to prove that God is real. The whole point of Christianity is to have faith. One must put his faith in God that God exists, trying to come with factual information about how God is real is just missing the concept. Religion is spiritual, not science.

[Amris]

Stop trying to change the subject, just because you are losing the argument.

I'm not losing any argument, I'm laughing at you. Heartily, I might add. Indeed, I'm not even arguing.

Atheists are not agnostics. Agnostics recognize that God can't be proved/disproved, given the criteriological limitations. That is a rational position to hold. Atheists try to "prove" to everyone else that there is no God. They fail to see their criteriological and empistemological limitations and just make a dogmatic assertion - which is irrational.

Atheists are irrational. Agnostics are rational.

Prove to me that I don't have irrational atheists dancing around on this forum. You're doing a jig here yourself, and that is more entertaining to watch than the unicorns on your lawn.

Want to know what's funny? When I say that I don't believe in Santa or invisible unicorns, no one bothers to try to force me to accept that Santa or invisible unicorns exist. But if they did, I would probably get pretty testy in the same way that atheists get when someone demands that the atheist believe in something that is just as ridiculous to them as are invisible unicorns to me.

There is no more onus on the atheist to prove God doesn't exist than there is an onus on you to prove that unicorns don't exist. There's no reason whatsoevet that I have to say "I don't know if invisible unicorns exist or not," or else I'm irrational and stupid... the same goes for an atheist. They are not irrational for saying that something that cannot be proven to exist, therefor must be assumed not to exist, until such time that it CAN be proven to exist.

It would be absurd for me to sit here and say that invisible unicorns might exist. But because there aren't any invisible unicorn believers, I don't have to define myself as a non-invisible-unicorn-believer.

It is only because there are "believers" who want to force belief upon everyone, that people must define themselves as "not a believer." There should be nothing whatsoever illogical about choosing to assume that something that hasn't been proven to exist, doesn't.

[curtis999]

On the other hand, Christians shouldn't/don't need to prove that God is real. The whole point of Christianity is to have faith. One must put his faith in God that God exists, trying to come with factual information about how God is real is just missing the concept. Religion is spiritual, not science.

The problem is the fact that so many people base what they do and what is 'good' for others based on their unfounded, faith-based beliefs. Laws are written and decisions are made based on beliefs and values constructed from this nonsense. That is where the problem is.

[AtheoS]

The problem is the fact that so many people base what they do and what is 'good' for others based on their unfounded, faith-based beliefs. Laws are written and decisions are made based on beliefs and values constructed from this nonsense. That is where the problem is.

Well Said, this is exactly the problem

[Calhexas]

Christians Win....

Holy crap I can't believe that guy let that be posted.

I've never seen so much ignorance in one video.

The first one was my favorite. Which one of you atheists thinks the bible doesn't exist huh?



P.S. I knew atheists didn't believe in God...and Agnostics still don't know...but I was unaware either actually HATED him.

[SledgeBoy]

The problem is the fact that so many people base what they do and what is 'good' for others based on their unfounded, faith-based beliefs. Laws are written and decisions are made based on beliefs and values constructed from this nonsense. That is where the problem is.

Valid Point. But how many current problems with laws do we have in our country due to this?

Calhexas: I got the idea that the guy in the video is an atheist himself that put together this outrageous video, kind of like Stephen Colbert acting like a hardcore conservative on television when he is obviously liberal in real life.