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Thread: Do you eat fruit?
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07-29-2008, 06:25 AM #61
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07-29-2008, 07:18 AM #62
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no the fructose in soda isn't differnet, but when talking about the amounts involved it's hyperbole to try to compare eating a few servings of fruit a day to downing a few big gulps of soda.
and I ask again, how often is liver glycogen full during a caloric deficit?My log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=112190371
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07-29-2008, 09:05 AM #63
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07-29-2008, 09:23 AM #64
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07-29-2008, 10:39 AM #65
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07-29-2008, 10:53 AM #66
That's quite enough similarity for me. The deleterious effects of fructose are beyond dispute; and any affinity you've happened to develop for fruits does not diminish those ill effects one bit.
Of course one can shed fat while consuming a diet that includes fruit, but does the fruit assist one in becoming lean? Absolutely not. Is there the slightest bit of logic in an obese person consuming fructose? No. Is fruit indispensable? Of course not.
Why then the insistence that fruit be consumed on a cutting diet, when the nutritional density of greens far exceeds that of fruit?^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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07-29-2008, 11:01 AM #67
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07-29-2008, 11:04 AM #68
You said yourself: the fructose from fruits and soda pop is the same. It's potential to raise triglycerides is the same.
You know it wasn't that long ago people made blanket statements like "avoid saturated fat". There are caveats to everything.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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07-29-2008, 11:04 AM #69
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Fruit only gets on my plate the evening before carb-up, before my last workout. I eat 5 pieces and all my fruit cravings are gone for the cycle.
Each and every fruit has it's purpose: grapefruit, blueberries, apple, raspberries and banana.This is your life and it's ending one minute at a time.
Self Discipline is telling that little voice in your head to shut the f$%k up.
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07-29-2008, 11:09 AM #70
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07-29-2008, 11:10 AM #71
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07-29-2008, 11:13 AM #72
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07-29-2008, 11:13 AM #73
For **** sake people. Do you really think it's that apple a day that is making Johnny obese? Maybe it's those damn blueberries and their excessive calories.
This really isn't rocket science. Eat your fruits and vegetables. I know some of you are going to complain about all the fructose. Any sugar, in large enough quantities, will make you gain weight. But just how much fruit would we have to eat?
Fructose is an insulin-independent monosachharide. This means that it converts into glucose and is stored without the action of insulin (or, at least, insignificant amounts). Fructose doesn't cause a large rise in blood sugar and, consequently, won't raise insulin levels. For you to experience any negative effects from fructose, you'd have to consume around 50-75 grams in a sitting; that's five to seven apples, one after another. You'd have to eat three or four of these "servings" a day, for a grand total of 15-28 pieces of fruit.
I will agree that if you are getting ready to step on stage, and every calorie matters, cutting fruit is acceptable. But that is the only time I can think of.Last edited by Cuchulainn; 07-29-2008 at 11:18 AM.
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07-31-2008, 07:29 PM #74
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yes but if you want to talk about max definition, check out chickentuna... i'd say that's defined... she confirmed... daily fruit intake when i asked her!
i find it easier to stay on my meal plan when i eat fruit... so to me it's a better choice than the snickers bar i'm going after if i don't eat it everyday! yum!it was the final week of my first competition that i understood the meaning of "meat head"!
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07-31-2008, 07:46 PM #75
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07-31-2008, 07:48 PM #76
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08-01-2008, 06:50 PM #77
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08-01-2008, 07:34 PM #78
I love these conversations.
Of course someone doesn't need excessive anti-oxidants to survive but I have never heard of anyone complaining of fruit not being filling.
The flipside is that fructose sweetened snacks and cola don't seem to affect appetite the same way.
Most of the stuff I have read lately has correlated soda pop consumption with increasing rates of obesity. (This doesn't suprise me considering something loaded with carbonation and phosphoric acid is not even close to a strawberry or banana despite the fact they both contain fructose)
P.S. I am not the type of person to say that only fruit should be eaten for carbs. I just think in general it has gotten a bad rep via the fructose connection with junk food.
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08-01-2008, 07:59 PM #79
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08-01-2008, 08:50 PM #80
Another thing to consider about fruit (berries, apples, oranges, etc) is that the stuff grows passively in nature.
That means as humans were evolving whoever had biochemistry most adapted to use this stuff could accomplish the greatest amount of survival based tasks (ie, work) and thus reproduce.
Even though fruit grows seasonally I still think this would hold true to a degree. So whenever it came into season it was a boon to whoever could use it the most efficiently.
EDIT: When I mention "efficient" here I mean using the fuel inside the food for the purposes of oxidative phosphorylation (ATP production via the electron transport chain) rather than lipogenesis. That is a better way of handling calories for the purposes of accomplishing work.Last edited by Phosphate bond; 08-01-2008 at 08:54 PM.
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