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[lhprop1]

I thought it was all reruns again... But then I flipped through and caught some new footage, but didn't see the whole episode...

Cliffs?

#1
Creepy old dude in Canuckistan buried 24 school buses as a "shelter for kids" to rebuild society after a nuclear attack. He said he would only take kids and turn adults away. http://webpal.org/SAFE/aaaarktwo/index.htm google: "ark two" It gave me the freakin heebie jeebies. That guy probably watches Toddlers in Tiaras in slow mo.

#2
Some schmuck with a deuce and a half and no other real skilz.

#3
Some head shrinker in San Diego who spent thousands of dollars on antibiotics in prep for a bird flu pandemic. His wife and daughter clearly resented his lunacy. His wife is Cambodian and escaped from a Khmer Rouge prison and survived for a long time. She is badass. He should be taking tips from her.

[RyouBakua]

1. bus bunker guy. i like the idea but again the execution has flaws. (he is prepping purely for nuclear fallout)

2. deuce guy planning to run on black diesel. (someone should tell this guy that when you mix motor oil with bio fuel it turns to glue)

3. doctor guy. (seemed like a standard prepper to me)



also seems like the "expert" is being lax because all 3 were lacking in defense and real filtering capabilities

[Nainoa]

1. bus bunker guy. i like the idea but again the execution has flaws. (he is prepping purely for nuclear fallout)

2. deuce guy planning to run on black diesel. (someone should tell this guy that when you mix motor oil with bio fuel it turns to glue)

3. doctor guy. (seemed like a standard prepper to me)



also seems like the "expert" is being lax because all 3 were lacking in defense and real filtering capabilities

Yeah I saw the Black Diesel guy and thought... "Well there's another dead man." But missed the rest... Thanks for the Cliffs guys!

[RyouBakua]

Yeah I saw the Black Diesel guy and thought... "Well there's another dead man." But missed the rest... Thanks for the Cliffs guys!

i love that truck (although it gets 10mpg... but whatcha gonna do)

but srsly, 2 street thugs could hold it up in a sec




and i wouldve went black diesel, but its a pollutant

[HairyScandinavian]

Some head shrinker in San Diego who spent thousands of dollars on antibiotics in prep for a bird flu pandemic. His wife and daughter clearly resented his lunacy. His wife is Cambodian and escaped from a Khmer Rouge prison and survived for a long time. She is badass. He should be taking tips from her.

Holy sheet I felt bad for her (and him a little) when he took them down into his cave bunker and she had flashbacks of hiding in a cave for months when she was a child after her family was all killed. I wanted to slap that idiot for not realizing the impact it would have on her. It was awesome to see her start going on about real experience based knowledge like we can't have X, Y, and Z in a cave, etc and he just clammed up.

[RyouBakua]

Holy sheet I felt bad for her (and him a little) when he took them down into his cave bunker and she had flashbacks of hiding in a cave for months when she was a child after her family was all killed. I wanted to slap that idiot for not realizing the impact it would have on her. It was awesome to see her start going on about real experience based knowledge like we can't have X, Y, and Z in a cave, etc and he just clammed up.

yeah, he couldve handled that better


but doctors are notoriously busy

[Nainoa]

yeah, he couldve handled that better


but doctors are notoriously busy

Actually I would go with "Doctor's are notoriously impractical."

[RyouBakua]

Actually I would go with "Doctor's are notoriously impractical."

that too

i actually meant that to mean busy = scattered

but i guess that was a jump



ive known a few doctors who are so busy that their thought process is rather scattered so im not suprised he wasnt empathetic to his wife

(although he really should have known better)

[Nainoa]

that too

i actually meant that to mean busy = scattered

but i guess that was a jump



ive known a few doctors who are so busy that their thought process is rather scattered so im not suprised he wasnt empathetic to his wife

(although he really should have known better)

I've found there are certain professions that are just a little too removed from reality and/or require too much singular focus on a subject that they miss the big picture of life.

Doctors, Shrinks, dot-com-dorks and guys who work in specialist sciences like Physics tend to think that since they've got a lot of answers on one subject it must mean that they've got all the best answers on every subject.

Lawyers on the other hand are just the wrong mix of Jaded and detail oriented that they can't get past how the small stuff blends into the bigger practical picture... Which is why the Huxtables never could have worked in real life!



In general "Specialists" made piss poor leaders... The best leaders in life/business/outdoor survival are always the generalists.

[RyouBakua]

I've found there are certain professions that are just a little too removed from reality and/or require too much singular focus on a subject that they miss the big picture of life.

Doctors, Shrinks, dot-com-dorks and guys who work in specialist sciences like Physics tend to think that since they've got a lot of answers on one subject it must mean that they've got all the best answers on every subject.

Lawyers on the other hand are just the wrong mix of Jaded and detail oriented that they can't get past how the small stuff blends into the bigger practical picture... Which is why the Huxtables never could have worked in real life!



In general "Specialists" made piss poor leaders... The best leaders in life/business/outdoor survival are always the generalists.

[Hartski]

Yep. I'd rather be pretty decent at a bunch of things than really good at one thing only. Maybe that's why I butt heads with the engineers at work so much....

[jafomofo]

is this fish antibiotic thing legit? i can get amoxycilin from the pet store? I'm gonna google it obviously but would like to know more.

[cavymeister]

is this fish antibiotic thing legit? i can get amoxycilin from the pet store? I'm gonna google it obviously but would like to know more.

you can buy the stuff from newegg:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...9SIA0KR05B4545

[HairyScandinavian]

is this fish antibiotic thing legit? i can get amoxycilin from the pet store? I'm gonna google it obviously but would like to know more.

It would appear so, there was some discussion here in the OR a while back I think regarding Cipro. I didn't watch the show last night, but read the description on the guide, told my wife Dammit now everyone watching the show will run out and buy the stuff and by the time I finally get around to it the price will have tripled and availability will be tough. Oh well, snooze you lose I've had about 2 years I been meaning to look into it more and get some.

[Nainoa]

is this fish antibiotic thing legit? i can get amoxycilin from the pet store? I'm gonna google it obviously but would like to know more.

Is that actually the same amoxycillin that you get from the doctor or vet supply for mammals?
(I've got a woman who runs a horse ranch that gets me some whenever I need it, but it's a pain to get one vial, let alone stock up)

[HairyScandinavian]

Is that actually the same amoxycillin that you get from the doctor or vet supply for mammals?
(I've got a woman who runs a horse ranch that gets me some whenever I need it, but it's a pain to get one vial, let alone stock up)

The ingredients appear to be the same, obviously you'd have to figure out dosage. I would imagine there could be differences in terms of the way it's delivered such as it may not be protected or whatever they do to it when it's designed for ingestion, etc. I would think something designed for injection for animals would work the same as an injection for humans, as opposed to something designed to be dissolved in water for fish to absorb however they do being ingested by human digestive tract.

I recall buying antibiotics at the feed store many years ago for chickens and one of my dogs, both injections. I would imagine that's still an option.

[Nainoa]

The ingredients appear to be the same, obviously you'd have to figure out dosage. I would imagine there could be differences in terms of the way it's delivered such as it may not be protected or whatever they do to it when it's designed for ingestion, etc. I would think something designed for injection for animals would work the same as an injection for humans, as opposed to something designed to be dissolved in water for fish to absorb however they do being ingested by human digestive tract.

I recall buying antibiotics at the feed store many years ago for chickens and one of my dogs, both injections. I would imagine that's still an option.

All the amoxycillin I've ever dealt with was swallowable tabs/pills or ingested liquid.

Granted I've never had "Pop-eye" as a fish so who knows

[Nainoa]

Okay Ryou... Here's a good one for you and the rain barrel science to chew on...

At my new place... There's a spot where I'm going to clear the scrub pines and sod and put in a garden for 2013...

The garden will be 40' X 60'

Now there is no water that reaches that far (Unless I have a 55 foot sand point well line tapped, which probably isn't in the budget unless it absolutely has to be etc...)

There is however a shop right there (Converted horsebarn) I can get a slow running hose line from the house, but it's 200 Feet away so the water pressure from the house to the Shop will be pathetic.

I can put gutters on the shop that run to a rain barrel or two. (I've got several 55 gallon barrels already)

The collectable drainage area of the roof (It's shaped a little funny) is 780 square feet.

So... I need to figure out the number of gallons that size roof can generate in a month
Monthly rainfall for that area in inches is:
May 3.1
June 4.6
July 3.5
August 3.3
Sept: 2.9

The garden at 2400 square feet will require a minimum of 25 gallons per week (Not assuming drought or heavy rains etc...) So 100 Gallons per month is what I need to generate in addition to the rains etc...

So I need to figure out if a rain barrel system is just a joke of an idea to water that large of an area... because if it means I'm just slow filling with the hose from the house all the time... It might be worth it to pop a sandpoint, since the electrical cost to run the pump will be the same etc...

[Farley1324]

Okay Ryou... Here's a good one for you and the rain barrel science to chew on...

At my new place... There's a spot where I'm going to clear the scrub pines and sod and put in a garden for 2013...

The garden will be 40' X 60'

Now there is no water that reaches that far (Unless I have a 55 foot sand point well line tapped, which probably isn't in the budget unless it absolutely has to be etc...)

There is however a shop right there (Converted horsebarn) I can get a slow running hose line from the house, but it's 200 Feet away so the water pressure from the house to the Shop will be pathetic.

I can put gutters on the shop that run to a rain barrel or two. (I've got several 55 gallon barrels already)

The collectable drainage area of the roof (It's shaped a little funny) is 780 square feet.

So... I need to figure out the number of gallons that size roof can generate in a month
Monthly rainfall for that area in inches is:
May 3.1
June 4.6
July 3.5
August 3.3
Sept: 2.9

The garden at 2400 square feet will require a minimum of 25 gallons per week (Not assuming drought or heavy rains etc...) So 100 Gallons per month is what I need to generate in addition to the rains etc...

So I need to figure out if a rain barrel system is just a joke of an idea to water that large of an area... because if it means I'm just slow filling with the hose from the house all the time... It might be worth it to pop a sandpoint, since the electrical cost to run the pump will be the same etc...

A real quick and simple look says: The area of the roof is only about 1/3 the area of the garden. Take the inches of rain you expect to get, multiply it by 1.33, and that is the equivalent rainfall's worth of water that you can get to the garden with 100% efficiency from the roof.

Would a 1/3 increase in rainfall water get the garden what it needs?

[Nainoa]

A real quick and simple look says: The area of the roof is only about 1/3 the area of the garden. Take the inches of rain you expect to get, multiply it by 1.33, and that is the equivalent rainfall's worth of water that you can get to the garden with 100% efficiency from the roof.

Would a 1/3 increase in rainfall water get the garden what it needs?

Correct me if I'm wrong... But we just need to figure out the number of cubic inches in a gallon?

[lhprop1]

Correct me if I'm wrong... But we just need to figure out the number of cubic inches in a gallon?

'bout tree fiddy

[Nainoa]

Okay... So there's 231 cubic inches in a gallon...

So let's just use the month of May as an example at 3.1 inches of rainfall... Round it to 3...

So 780 square feet is 9360 square inches... Filled 3 inches deep... Is 28,080 cubic inches of water... Which at 231 cubic inches per gallon is 121.55 gallons of water...

Do all of that sound right to you?

So that means if the garden will require an addition 100 gallons of augment water from me... My low end average should meet the need (Assuming there's no drought etc...)

[Farley1324]

Correct me if I'm wrong... But we just need to figure out the number of cubic inches in a gallon?

Correct. Probably should have just hit up Google.

This kind of problem is precisely where the metric system shows its superiority


Edit: ^^That sounds right but I can't double check details at the moment as I am resting between sets

[Farley1324]

So 780 square feet is 9360 square inches...

I get 112,320? Each square foot is 12"x12" = 144 square inches per square food? Times 780?

1,458 gallons from the 780 square foot roof with 3" of rainfall that is totally efficiently captures. (there will be some losses of course)

Damn, that sounds like a lot of water

[Nainoa]

I get 112,320? Each square foot is 12"x12" = 144 square inches per square food? Times 780?

1,458 gallons from the 780 square foot roof with 3" of rainfall that is totally efficiently captures. (there will be some losses of course)

Damn, that sounds like a lot of water

The 780 is already "Squared" So your calculations are like Quadded or something like that...

780 = Square feet... X 12 for Square inches = 9360 Square inches X 3 inches (Depth of rain) = 28080 Cubic inches of water... Divided by 231 cubic inches of water in a gallon = 121.55 gallons...

Meaning that if my collection barrels are 55 gallons... In a rainy month, I'll need at least a 2 barrel system... Possibly 3!


Next comes in the question of how to generate pressure... And maximize the laws of fluid dynamics!

[Farley1324]

780 = Square feet... X 12 for Square inches

But there are more than 12 square inches in a square foot. 12 square inches would be 12" in one direction by 1" in the other. A grade school style, simple ruler is generally about 12 square inches.

Also, I consulted Google on this one for verification. There are 144 square inches in a square foot.

You may be able to get more water than you thought.

[RyouBakua]

*checks on this thread after his workout...



just about falls over*

[Nainoa]

But there are more than 12 square inches in a square foot. 12 square inches would be 12" in one direction by 1" in the other. A grade school style, simple ruler is generally about 12 square inches.

Also, I consulted Google on this one for verification. There are 144 square inches in a square foot.

You may be able to get more water than you thought.

Okay... So lets look at the size of the roof and we'll start from scratch...

Section A is 40 feet by 12 feet
Section B is 25 feet by 12 feet

So this means that section A has 480 square feet... Each square foot is 144 square inches and yeilds 69,120 sq inches
Section B would then be 300 square feet yeilding 43200 square inches

112,320 for our total square inches...

Multiply that by 3 inches of depth for 336,960 for total cubic inches of rainfall in the month of May

Divided by 231 square inches per gallon is 1458.7 gallons per month.



That's insane!

That would mean that roof line is generating 26.5 rainbarrels in a modest month of rain?????

[Farley1324]

That's what it looks like. Now, there will be noticeable losses. Some of the water from each rainshower will remain on the rooftop and evaporate. Some will coat the pipes/hose on the way to storage/the garden. Etc. When there is nothing but a bit of a sprinkle you might not get enough to count all the way through the system to the garden.

But if you start out with a theoretical maximum so far above what you need...losses won't be a big deal

[Nainoa]

LOL...

So then I found this: http://www.greatergoods.com/rainbarrelcalc.html

Which says: Your roof produces 485.9 gallons of water in every 1-inch rainstorm.

Times 3 inches = 1457.7 Gallons

So you were right Farley!