Is it just a makerting gimmick that 7-keto does not convert to testosterone or estrogen?Dr Ray is of the opinion that it may be.Check this out:
http://www.raysahelian.com/7-ketodhea.html
the side effect that i have noticed is raised heart beat,not sure about estrogen increase or some of the other sides claimed here.
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06-21-2008, 11:46 PM #1Registered User
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Dr.RaySahelian anti 7-keto?interesting read
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06-22-2008, 05:25 AM #2Banned
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ray is ignorant in regards to androgen metabolism. the body cannot remove the oxygen from C7. And the known metabolites of 7-keto do not have substantial sex hormone activityOriginally Posted by aldude3
that page looks like propaganda to steer people to his herbal products. it is thinly veiled
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07-04-2008, 10:53 AM #3Registered User
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it probably does'nt convert to any hormone,but it sure hell has given me irregular heartbeat .i was not running to my full potential,running out of breath much more quickly than i normally do while on this and a week after stopping it too.i did ,nt know what the hell was going on.so i checked my blood pressure from a b.p monitor right after a run and it detected irregular heartbeat .how do you explain that?
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07-07-2008, 06:31 AM #4Banned
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Originally Posted by aldude3
7-keto dhea may effect thyroid hormone metabolism. this is a possible explanation
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Pat, I know you have said that you take 7-keto in gram quantities have you ever noticed any arrhythmias while on it? Also, would that be particualarly dangerous? I know some arrhythmias can be very dangerous and some not dangerous at all.
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07-07-2008, 08:16 AM #6nom nom nom
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Dr. Zenk from Humanetics provided a very lengthy argument to both the FDA and the Australian equivalent and was successful asserting that. They both ruled 7-Keto "safe." It was kind of cool actually.Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold
"I just use my muscles as a conversation piece, like someone walking a cheetah down 42nd Street." - Arnold Schwarzenegger
Heretic....
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07-07-2008, 08:31 AM #7Banned
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i never had such problemsOriginally Posted by RufusTFirefly
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07-09-2008, 09:37 AM #8Registered User
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well i probably would not have realized that if i was nt trying to run 6000 meters.i was very happy using it cause it was increasing my metabolism and even increasing my libido.i am still not sure how exactly it has effected my stamina....i felt a bit suffocated too after a run which might mean that my lungs were effected by this too.am using coq10 to get everything back to normal
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07-10-2008, 02:02 PM #9Registered User
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arrythmia after running is no longer there ,but am still having a little bit of difficulty breathing while running .i ran 5k meters with some difficulty ,my left side was feeling a bit heavy and i was't breathing as freely as i normally do . not sure what that is.. any idea?i don't know if my left lung is a bit stressed or what
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