Rippetoe/Starting Strength Questions Answered Here (Part II)

[iron619]

Continued from: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2281631

[FROGGBUSTER]

good idea making another thread

[hamdemic]

sub'd

[ruga buga]

in.

[BobTheBuildel2]

why is the first thread closed? :S

[Theworm826]

Who knows?

[iron619]

why is the first thread closed? :S

Who knows?

Once a thread gets too big, it ends up slowing down the forum. Of course one huge thread won't do it, but a collection of them will. To avoid that, we were told to close them and open up a new thread.

[bango skank]

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[sepandee]

oh nos, what's happening to the world?? a new thread??

[Dave76]

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Bango, as I look at this, I think we can use the "popular articles" section to accomplish what I'd like to get done. I assume that you have control over what is displayed as a popular article. I was talking about rearranging things. We don't have to arrange anything except the popular articles.

Here's what I have in mind, in the order they'd be listed:

1. The Books (already listed)
2. SS Programs (already listed)
3. Main Lifts (already listed)
4. Your first day in the gym - this section would describe how to choose starting weights
5. Progression - link to the section about adding weight every day, how much weight to add, etc.
6. What to do when you get stuck. (resets/deload section)
7. Adding assistance exercises

That's off the top of my head and might not be exact. I'm thinking that the popular articles list could step through what a rank novice needs to get started on the program.

Does this make sense? Is it doable?

[all pro]

Bango, as I look at this, I think we can use the "popular articles" section to accomplish what I'd like to get done. I assume that you have control over what is displayed as a popular article. I was talking about rearranging things. We don't have to arrange anything except the popular articles.

Here's what I have in mind, in the order they'd be listed:

1. The Books (already listed)
2. SS Programs (already listed)
3. Main Lifts (already listed)
4. Your first day in the gym - this section would describe how to choose starting weights
5. Progression - link to the section about adding weight every day, how much weight to add, etc.
6. What to do when you get stuck. (resets/deload section)
7. Adding assistance exercises

That's off the top of my head and might not be exact. I'm thinking that the popular articles list could step through what a rank novice needs to get started on the program.

Does this make sense? Is it doable?

Hey Dave, did you ever get clarification from Mark about the differences in the descriptions of the PCs between himself and Bill Starr? Mr Starr hasn't answered my e-mail. I may annoy him and send another one.

[Dave76]

Hey Dave, did you ever get clarification from Mark about the differences in the descriptions of the PCs between himself and Bill Starr? Mr Starr hasn't answered my e-mail. I may annoy him and send another one.

No, I talked to Lon Kilgore last weekend and posted his response. Did you see that?

I was around Rip all last weekend but he was filiming his DVD and wasn't really in the mood to sit and talk, so I asked Kilgore instead. I simply forgot to follow up with Rip during the week.

[all pro]

No, I talked to Lon Kilgore last weekend and posted his response. Did you see that?

I was around Rip all last weekend but he was filiming his DVD and wasn't really in the mood to sit and talk, so I asked Kilgore instead. I simply forgot to follow up with Rip during the week.

I missed the post. Can you link me to it?

[bango skank]

Bango, as I look at this, I think we can use the "popular articles" section to accomplish what I'd like to get done. I assume that you have control over what is displayed as a popular article. I was talking about rearranging things. We don't have to arrange anything except the popular articles.

Here's what I have in mind, in the order they'd be listed:

1. The Books (already listed)
2. SS Programs (already listed)
3. Main Lifts (already listed)
4. Your first day in the gym - this section would describe how to choose starting weights
5. Progression - link to the section about adding weight every day, how much weight to add, etc.
6. What to do when you get stuck. (resets/deload section)
7. Adding assistance exercises

That's off the top of my head and might not be exact. I'm thinking that the popular articles list could step through what a rank novice needs to get started on the program.

Does this make sense? Is it doable?

Sounds good. The "First Workout" entry is still empty though. Do you have a post you could link me to that fills that need?

Would 7. just link to a big "You Don't."?

[Dave76]

I missed the post. Can you link me to it?

I haven't been able to ask Rip yet but I had a long discussion with Dr. Lon Kilgore. The power of the lift is generated by the extension. Any bending of the arms during that extension will rob some of the power from being delivered to the bar. Obviously, the arm have to bend at some point. If you pull with the arms, that pull needs to occur after the extension. At that point, the arm pull is not used to lift the bar but to change the spatial relationship of the body to the bar. In effect, you are pulling the body under the bar.

Lon noted that there are several world class lifters who have an early arm pull. They're just talented and strong enough to get away with it.

I'll eventually pin Rip down and ask for his input. I suspect it's something like the knee rebend. It happens but it doesn't get taught. I once saw a comment from Pendlay that the battle is lost if you try to teach the rebend. If you're thinking about it, you can't do it right.

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[Dave76]

Sounds good. The "First Workout" entry is still empty though. Do you have a post you could link me to that fills that need?

You asked me to do it and I'll get it done

Would 7. just link to a big "You Don't."?

I was thinking of something along the lines of the "sermon" I preached last week about how the program is all about progressing on the 5 core lifts and the assistance exercises should be chosen and added only if they help advance the core lifts.

[all pro]

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Sounds like we now have 2 different versions.
The old school power clean
The new school power clean

[Dave76]

Sounds like we now have 2 different versions.
The old school power clean
The new school power clean

Or maybe we're just not understanding exactly what's being said. You already know that Starr taught Rip. It's very rare when Rip disagrees with Starr. I'd tell you to ask the question at StrengthMill. If Rip has a serious disagreement with Starr, he won't release the question. He doesn't like public disagreements with any coach, much less one that's a good friend.

[all pro]

Or maybe we're just not understanding exactly what's being said. You already know that Starr taught Rip. It's very rare when Rip disagrees with Starr. I'd tell you to ask the question at StrengthMill. If Rip has a serious disagreement with Starr, he won't release the question. He doesn't like public disagreements with any coach, much less one that's a good friend.

If I can think of a politically correct way to phrase the question I'll ask him at strength mill. I don't want to start a fight.

[bluedot]

Sounds good. The "First Workout" entry is still empty though. Do you have a post you could link me to that fills that need?

I'll get on this now.

[SeeZ]

For squats i seem to grip the bar just outside of my shoulders and cant seem to keep my wrist straight when the bar is on how can i fix this? i can squat around wut i bench maybe more ill give it a try but i have to be wearing shorts

for bench press i can do 5 reps of 40.5kg and form is slowed at 4th or the 5th rep what should my staring weight be?

for pendlay row i can do 5 reps of 50kg and form is slowed amd forced at the 4th or 5th rep. for pendlay row should i feel a burn behind the arm pit area?

dl i havent tryed but checking form

[sepandee]

For squats i seem to grip the bar just outside of my shoulders and cant seem to keep my wrist straight when the bar is on how can i fix this? i can squat around wut i bench maybe more ill give it a try but i have to be wearing shorts

Try this: walk up to the bar (don't go under it just yet), grab the bar at the appropriate place, then twist your wrist forward so that you're still holding the bar but now your hand is almost vertical (pointing down). Now go under the bar, and without moving the bar up or down (it's ok if it rolls on the same spot) slowly twist your wrist back until it's straight. et voil

[Dave76]

For squats i seem to grip the bar just outside of my shoulders and cant seem to keep my wrist straight when the bar is on how can i fix this? i can squat around wut i bench maybe more ill give it a try but i have to be wearing shorts

for bench press i can do 5 reps of 40.5kg and form is slowed at 4th or the 5th rep what should my staring weight be?

for pendlay row i can do 5 reps of 50kg and form is slowed amd forced at the 4th or 5th rep. for pendlay row should i feel a burn behind the arm pit area?

dl i havent tryed but checking form

Try gripping the bar a little wider. I know what SSBBT says about straight wrists. I also know that my wrists aren't straight and I don't worry about it. As long as the arms aren't supporting any weight, it's not a problem. I could simply drape my hands over the top of the bar and nothing would happen. The only thing my arms do is to keep the bar from tilting to the left or right. They don't assist in keeping the bar from rolling down my back. I'm built with longer forearms in comparison with my upper arms. There's only so much room between my elbow and the bar and my forearms are longer than that. I either grip the bar wider or bend the wrists to make things fit. I suppose I should widen the grip but, like I said, the bent wrists haven't caused me any problems yet.

As for starting weights, start out with the bar and do a set of 5. Add 5 kg and do another set of 5. Watch the bar speed. Keep doing more sets adding 5 kg each time until you notice the slightest decrease in bar speed. Where ever that happens, it's your starting weight.

[Sun tzu]

Is it OK to begin the PC movement with the bar suspended in the air? I'm using little weight (the plates are small) so I cant get it in the right position if not.

[BabyBodybuilder]

Continued from: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=2281631

Would it be at all possible to edit your post, so it's the same as Dave79's in the original thread?

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How about some testimonials? Like with pictures and descriptions of people whom have completed SS, or have been on SS for some time. Everyone loves hearing about people who've had success in what they're trying to achieve.

[Farley1324]

Is it OK to begin the PC movement with the bar suspended in the air? I'm using little weight (the plates are small) so I cant get it in the right position if not.

Set some plates on their side, on the floor, underneath the weights that are on the bar in order to get the proper height.

[SeeZ]

Try this: walk up to the bar (don't go under it just yet), grab the bar at the appropriate place, then twist your wrist forward so that you're still holding the bar but now your hand is almost vertical (pointing down). Now go under the bar, and without moving the bar up or down (it's ok if it rolls on the same spot) slowly twist your wrist back until it's straight. et voil

Try gripping the bar a little wider. I know what SSBBT says about straight wrists. I also know that my wrists aren't straight and I don't worry about it. As long as the arms aren't supporting any weight, it's not a problem. I could simply drape my hands over the top of the bar and nothing would happen. The only thing my arms do is to keep the bar from tilting to the left or right. They don't assist in keeping the bar from rolling down my back. I'm built with longer forearms in comparison with my upper arms. There's only so much room between my elbow and the bar and my forearms are longer than that. I either grip the bar wider or bend the wrists to make things fit. I suppose I should widen the grip but, like I said, the bent wrists haven't caused me any problems yet.

As for starting weights, start out with the bar and do a set of 5. Add 5 kg and do another set of 5. Watch the bar speed. Keep doing more sets adding 5 kg each time until you notice the slightest decrease in bar speed. Where ever that happens, it's your starting weight.

ok so once bar speed is slowed thats my starting weight. eg i do 40kg 3x8 b press i should do 30kg b press

heres my arm form like in this pic http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/imag.../benblack5.jpg

[bango skank]

How about some testimonials? Like with pictures and descriptions of people whom have completed SS, or have been on SS for some time. Everyone loves hearing about people who've had success in what they're trying to achieve.

http://startingstrength.wikia.com/wiki/Testimonials

Blah-dow!






(If anyone has any (real) testimonials I'd be happy to showcase them)

[Dave76]

ok so once bar speed is slowed thats my starting weight. eg i do 40kg 3x8 b press i should do 30kg b press

I don't quite understand what you just said.

Start with 20 kg (the bar only) and do a set of 5. Watch the bar speed.

Add a 2.5 kg weight to each end of the bar (total wgt= 25 kg) and do another set. Watch the bar speed. If it slowed down at all, stop there. If not, add another 2.5 kg to each end of the bar (total wgt= 30 kg). Do another set and watch the bar speed. If it slows down, stop there.

Keep going like that until the bar speed slows down. It might be at 30 kg or it might be 25 or 35. You won't know until you do it.

[Casparr]

Hello,

I am 16 years old and i have a question about stalling on the bench press and the overhead press. I have been on the rippetoe program for 3 month's now and achieved an 90 kg squat and 95 kg deadlift, the problem is with the other 2 lifts that i stalled with the bench press at 45 kg and the overhead press 27.5 Kg. I tried 3 times on both exercises failed to complete, did a 10% reset and worked back up failed again at the same weights again tried 3 times reset again and now i fail again. How is this possible ?

Training experience: 4 months
bodyweight: 78 kg
length: 187 cm