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  • Greg Kovacs

    21 7.98%
  • Johnnie O. Jackson

    35 13.31%
  • Ronnie Coleman

    172 65.40%
  • Franco Columbo

    29 11.03%
  • Dorian Yates

    18 6.84%
  • Nassar El Sombaty

    3 1.14%
  • David Henry

    9 3.42%
  • Kevin Levrone

    18 6.84%
  • Tom Platz

    27 10.27%
  • Bertil Fox

    17 6.46%
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    Originally Posted by SSK1903 View Post
    Ronnie's 800x2 is a powerlifting squat with a suit and knee wraps and not below parallel.

    Tom's 775x1 was an olympic squat with an old, primitive suit, no knee wraps, far below parallel and without specific 1rm training (basically ever, wherewas R.C. has a PL background).

    See my post above - in terms of legs there is no comparison between the above. Platz takes the cake.

    No matter how much a beast R.C. was he doesn't compare with tom in the leg strength department - tom's genetics win.
    that squat in CoR was not his PR...later that year he did a photo shoot for flex where he did 855x2 no suit (no fake plates either). TP def has more depth, but to say that Ron's leg strength doesn't compare is a gross over statement. i've read somewhere in this forum that he replied to an email and said he's done it for a triple
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    Originally Posted by RnR View Post
    that squat in CoR was not his PR...later that year he did a photo shoot for flex where he did 855x2 no suit (no fake plates either). TP def has more depth, but to say that Ron's leg strength doesn't compare is a gross over statement. i've read somewhere in this forum that he replied to an email and said he's done it for a triple
    I am not aware of this feat and wrote the above with the 800x2 in mind.
    Thanks for commenting.

    R.C. SHOULD beat TP on the low rep stuff. Much, much heavier, more drugs, PL background, etc etc. TP takes the cake on high rep stuff though (with heavy weights of course).

    PS - you sure about Ron's flex photoshoot deal? Ron has used fake plates before. Was it just claimed or documented?
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    Originally Posted by SSK1903 View Post

    PS - you sure about Ron's flex photoshoot deal? Ron has used fake plates before. Was it just claimed or documented?
    I remember in flex:

    "Ronnie Coleman squatting 855!!!"

    vadim has also mentioned (in the PL section) that ronnie coleman has DL'ed 880 in an exhibition b4

    ronnie has made some insane claims, but i think they are hard to doubt when you consider he's gotten up to ~340

    plus he didn't use TP's secret weapon
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    Levrone was pretty damn strong. His Shoulder Press and Bench were way better than Dorians.
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    Yet another poll that shows how terribly biased this board is.


    In terms of strength I honestly dont think anyone would beat Kovacs in his prime.
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    Originally Posted by Guardian View Post
    Yet another poll that shows how terribly biased this board is.


    In terms of strength I honestly dont think anyone would beat Kovacs in his prime.
    I have hardly ever seen Kovacs do any of the classic lifts. Having claimed this or that is no proof that he was able to do it.
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    Originally Posted by Guardian View Post
    Yet another poll that shows how terribly biased this board is.


    In terms of strength I honestly dont think anyone would beat Kovacs in his prime.
    read post #2
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    Originally Posted by Vadim Beliaev View Post
    Kovacs numbers have never been proven
    And he used machines, never free weights in his lifts
    Never have I seen a vid of him squatting, deadlifting, only bench pressing on a smith/machine pressing
    Hardly qualifies as the strongest bber of all time.

    I voted for Coleman
    In terms of evidence I suppose you certainly have a valid argument. I can believe Kovacs numbers, the guy was massively framed and built in his prime and the few lifts I have seen while not the big three are certainly extremly strong compared to his peers in the sport.
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    I always viewed it like this
    If you could incline 675 for reps in your regular training
    what stops you from doing this in a meet and shutting everyone up?
    After all its your REGULAR training, it would involve no special preparation, just show up, lift and make everyone stfu, and shatter the raw bench WR while youre at it.
    Why hasnt he done this?

    IF HE COULD INCLINE 675 FOR REPS (!!!!!) HE COULD ****IN REP THE RAW BENCH WR, IMAGINE THE AWE AND HUMILIATION HE WOULD SUBJECT THE OTHER LIFTERS TO
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    Pound for pound Franco might be the strongest ever, but overall, Coleman is number 1.

    200 pound dumbell presses for 12 reps,
    squat: 855x2,
    deadlift:800x2,
    bb bench: 500 for 6 reps.
    freeweight t-bar rows: 12 plates for 9 reps
    barbell rows: 495 for somewhere between 5 and 10 reps.
    leg press: 2350 pounds for 8 reps

    I would like to see some evidence of Kovacs beating any of these, and Coleman was stronger than JJ.
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    Originally Posted by OneLoveLiftHard View Post
    ok...so has he ever put up the same numbers as ronnie (800 x 2, but could have done more)
    Ronnie also weighs far more then Platz, probably 50-70+ pounds, so Platz wins in terms of legs IMO.

    Ronnie is probably the strongest out of all of them, but in terms of body weight to weight ratio, JOJ.

    Franco maybe the strongest when it comes to strongman because he has the best mix of speed and strength.
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    Originally Posted by Clean View Post
    Ronnie also weighs far more then Platz, probably 50-70+ pounds, so Platz wins in terms of legs IMO.

    Ronnie is probably the strongest out of all of them, but in terms of body weight to weight ratio, JOJ.

    Franco maybe the strongest when it comes to strongman because he has the best mix of speed and strength.
    Has anyone got any links to JOJ training videos where he puts up huge numbers. I have seen a few of his clips and in all of them he never puts up any comparable weight to what Coleman does.

    Not saying he can't just that I have yet to see these lifts in his training videos.
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    Originally Posted by iroczinoz View Post
    Has anyone got any links to JOJ training videos where he puts up huge numbers. I have seen a few of his clips and in all of them he never puts up any comparable weight to what Coleman does.

    Not saying he can't just that I have yet to see these lifts in his training videos.
    He has numbers from his lifting competitions.


    So Johnnie O. Jackson entered the 2000 Texas State Powerlifting Championship as a 242-pounder, totaled 2,017 pounds (540 bench, 772 deadlift and 705 squat) and won two trophies: his weight class and best overall lifter.

    At the time of his second sanctioned powerlifting meet, in 2001, he had already been dieting down for two months in preparation for the NPC USA Championships four weeks later. His bodyfat was only 3.8% and his weight was down to 216, so he entered a lighter class, the 220-pounders. Didn't matter. This time, he soared to a new personal record by totaling an amazing 2,072 pounds, which included the 815 deadlift, and took home yet another set of trophies for his weight class and best overall lifter.
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    Originally Posted by Clean View Post
    He has numbers from his lifting competitions.




    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...20/ai_98432796
    Has Ronnie ever prepared for lifting competitions and done any? Maybe if he did he would have put up bigger numbers again rather then just training for BB.
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    ronnie, he had pretty good overall strength, why isnt branch up there?
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    Originally Posted by iroczinoz View Post
    Has Ronnie ever prepared for lifting competitions and done any? Maybe if he did he would have put up bigger numbers again rather then just training for BB.
    why would he risk an injury being the best BBer in the world? To get little recognition in a powerlifting comp which he probably would not win?
    think logically
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    Originally Posted by Vadim Beliaev View Post
    why would he risk an injury being the best BBer in the world? To get little recognition in a powerlifting comp which he probably would not win?
    think logically
    I never said he should have done that. I was just saying what if... If he did then maybe he would have moved even more weight then we have seen.

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    in this case i think he would be pretty good
    lets estimate
    i would say a 700+ single ply bench
    900 single ply suited and wrapped squat to IPF depth
    very likely a 900 deadlift
    2600 total and very possibly higher
    If he could pass an IPF drug test (which is not hard, assuming he wouldnt be randomly tested) this could win him a gold medal in the worlds in the +125 kg class
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    Has Ronnie ever prepared for lifting competitions and done any? Maybe if he did he would have put up bigger numbers again rather then just training for BB.
    I believe he did powerlifting when he was younger, but just because a bodybuilder goes to powerlifting doesn't mean he would dominate. They would do good, but that doesn't mean they would win and their are plenty of smaller powerlifting competitors putting up huge weights at low body weights. Franco was strong for his time, but he never won a strongman competition. If this was in the powerlifting section, this topic would be ripped apart.

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    in this case i think he would be pretty good
    lets estimate
    i would say a 700+ single ply bench
    900 single ply suited and wrapped squat to IPF depth
    very likely a 900 deadlift
    2600 total and very possibly higher
    If he could pass an IPF drug test (which is not hard, assuming he wouldnt be randomly tested) this could win him a gold medal in the worlds in the +242 lb class
    Who knows what kind of weight he would put up at 242. All we know is the numbers he put up at 290-300 and so far, JOJ still has the better numbers and both were in suits except for Ronnie's bench I believe. Speculations means nothing when we already have bodybuilders with numbers out there. Sure, he maybe able to do that, but so could plenty of other bodybuilders (not the same weight, but comparable for their weights) if they did nothing but powerlift.

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    I believe he did powerlifting when he was younger, but just because a bodybuilder goes to powerlifting doesn't mean he would dominate. They would do good, but that doesn't mean they would win and their are plenty of smaller powerlifting competitors putting up huge weights at low body weights. Franco was strong for his time, but he never won a strongman competition. If this was in the powerlifting section, this topic would be ripped apart.



    Who knows what kind of weight he would put up at 242. All we know is the numbers he put up at 290-300 and so far, JOJ still has the better numbers and both were in suits except for Ronnie's bench I believe. Speculations means nothing when we already have bodybuilders with numbers out there. Sure, he maybe able to do that, but so could plenty of other bodybuilders (not the same weight, but comparable for their weights) if they did nothing but powerlift.
    I said +242 which means above 242 and it was a miscalculation actually because the heaviest class is above 125 kg, which is more or less 270 pounds so it was that which i meant - above 270 pounds.
    He obviously could bulk and weigh 320-330 for a powerlifting comp which possibly could jack his numbers even higher.
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    I believe he did powerlifting when he was younger, but just because a bodybuilder goes to powerlifting doesn't mean he would dominate. They would do good, but that doesn't mean they would win and their are plenty of smaller powerlifting competitors putting up huge weights at low body weights. Franco was strong for his time, but he never won a strongman competition. If this was in the powerlifting section, this topic would be ripped apart.



    Who knows what kind of weight he would put up at 242. All we know is the numbers he put up at 290-300 and so far, JOJ still has the better numbers and both were in suits except for Ronnie's bench I believe. Speculations means nothing when we already have bodybuilders with numbers out there. Sure, he maybe able to do that, but so could plenty of other bodybuilders (not the same weight, but comparable for their weights) if they did nothing but powerlift.

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    No one said he would win, or dominate or even pose a threat. I just said maybe if he trained for a PL event he would move bigger numbers then we have already seen in his BB training videos. This can't be too hard to understand.
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    Originally Posted by Vadim Beliaev View Post
    I said +242 which means above 242 and it was a miscalculation actually because the heaviest class is above 125 kg, which is more or less 270 pounds so it was that which i meant - above 270 pounds.
    He obviously could bulk and weigh 320-330 for a powerlifting comp which possibly could jack his numbers even higher.
    Maybe, maybe not. There are guys out there at some light weights (200 below) lifting some heavy weights and deadlifting 2,3, maybe 3 1/2 times their bodyweights and squating crazy weights.
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    Originally Posted by iroczinoz View Post
    No one said he would win, or dominate or even pose a threat. I just said maybe if he trained for a PL event he would move bigger numbers then we have already seen in his BB training videos. This can't be too hard to understand.
    So would many other bodybuilders :eyerolls: That has nothing to do with this topic, it is about the strongest bodybuilders right now on that list. Everyone on that list would up their numbers if they went to a powerlifting lifestyle. That is irrelevant.
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    I always thought markus ruhl was very strong in his videos i saw but out of the names in there coleman and levrone come to mind. I've never seen any videos of kovacs though
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    Actually Coleman was around 245-250 something in COR. Because that wa in 2003-or 2004 ? an his bodyweight at the O. was somewhere around that. So he deadlifted 800x2 at around 250 and 5 weeks away from the Olympia.
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    yeah BBer's now-a-days don't have big waists
    lol, good point. But really, Marius just doesn't have the right proportions.
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    Take 90lbs off the claimed lifts for Kovacks and you're closer to the truth.. still a ****ing monster of a man. There's a youtube vid of him inclining 585 for reps on the smith which equates to ridiculous pressing power no matter how you measure strength

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    Originally Posted by Frankdaddy View Post
    Actually Coleman was around 245-250 something in COR. Because that wa in 2003-or 2004 ? an his bodyweight at the O. was somewhere around that. So he deadlifted 800x2 at around 250 and 5 weeks away from the Olympia.
    Coleman was heaviest around 2003-2004, closer to 300 pounds contest weight, pretty sure it was 297 pounds at the 2004 O.
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    Originally Posted by KevinSorbo View Post
    Coleman was heaviest around 2003-2004, closer to 300 pounds contest weight, pretty sure it was 297 pounds at the 2004 O.
    no!


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RABlMnmfCJ4 weight 258 in 03...which he probably put on 10 lbs of muscle that week in that vid with all the damn weight he pulled..haha JOKE

    but yes 2004 he went from 259 to 296 lbs..damn he was incredible..ive never seen anyone put on that much size and still keep a lot of lines and detail. He is #1
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    Originally Posted by KevinSorbo View Post
    Coleman was heaviest around 2003-2004, closer to 300 pounds contest weight, pretty sure it was 297 pounds at the 2004 O.
    Ronnie probably was 287 in 2003 and 296 in 2004. Light weight!

    And i have to agree Ronnie is so incredible. In CoR you think it doesn't get any heavier after 800 lbs squats, but then he made 8 reps with 2300 lbs on leg press. Well, this was only a small part of the leg workout. Not to forget the perhaps heaviest back workout ever and 495 lbs bench press after countless sets of not much lighter sets for chest........


    By the way, Ronnie was 310 lbs in CoR.
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