that squat in CoR was not his PR...later that year he did a photo shoot for flex where he did 855x2 no suit (no fake plates either). TP def has more depth, but to say that Ron's leg strength doesn't compare is a gross over statement. i've read somewhere in this forum that he replied to an email and said he's done it for a triple
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05-20-2008, 03:15 PM #31
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05-20-2008, 03:21 PM #32
I am not aware of this feat and wrote the above with the 800x2 in mind.
Thanks for commenting.
R.C. SHOULD beat TP on the low rep stuff. Much, much heavier, more drugs, PL background, etc etc. TP takes the cake on high rep stuff though (with heavy weights of course).
PS - you sure about Ron's flex photoshoot deal? Ron has used fake plates before. Was it just claimed or documented?http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=112301641&page=3
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05-20-2008, 03:28 PM #33
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I remember in flex:
"Ronnie Coleman squatting 855!!!"
vadim has also mentioned (in the PL section) that ronnie coleman has DL'ed 880 in an exhibition b4
ronnie has made some insane claims, but i think they are hard to doubt when you consider he's gotten up to ~340
plus he didn't use TP's secret weapon
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05-20-2008, 04:29 PM #39
I always viewed it like this
If you could incline 675 for reps in your regular training
what stops you from doing this in a meet and shutting everyone up?
After all its your REGULAR training, it would involve no special preparation, just show up, lift and make everyone stfu, and shatter the raw bench WR while youre at it.
Why hasnt he done this?
IF HE COULD INCLINE 675 FOR REPS (!!!!!) HE COULD ****IN REP THE RAW BENCH WR, IMAGINE THE AWE AND HUMILIATION HE WOULD SUBJECT THE OTHER LIFTERS TO
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05-20-2008, 04:31 PM #40
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Pound for pound Franco might be the strongest ever, but overall, Coleman is number 1.
200 pound dumbell presses for 12 reps,
squat: 855x2,
deadlift:800x2,
bb bench: 500 for 6 reps.
freeweight t-bar rows: 12 plates for 9 reps
barbell rows: 495 for somewhere between 5 and 10 reps.
leg press: 2350 pounds for 8 reps
I would like to see some evidence of Kovacs beating any of these, and Coleman was stronger than JJ.Last edited by KevinSorbo; 05-20-2008 at 04:34 PM.
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05-20-2008, 04:48 PM #41
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Ronnie also weighs far more then Platz, probably 50-70+ pounds, so Platz wins in terms of legs IMO.
Ronnie is probably the strongest out of all of them, but in terms of body weight to weight ratio, JOJ.
Franco maybe the strongest when it comes to strongman because he has the best mix of speed and strength.1 Stripe Blue Belt, Gracie Barra BJJ (Reps to BJJ/MMA brahs)
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He has numbers from his lifting competitions.
So Johnnie O. Jackson entered the 2000 Texas State Powerlifting Championship as a 242-pounder, totaled 2,017 pounds (540 bench, 772 deadlift and 705 squat) and won two trophies: his weight class and best overall lifter.
At the time of his second sanctioned powerlifting meet, in 2001, he had already been dieting down for two months in preparation for the NPC USA Championships four weeks later. His bodyfat was only 3.8% and his weight was down to 216, so he entered a lighter class, the 220-pounders. Didn't matter. This time, he soared to a new personal record by totaling an amazing 2,072 pounds, which included the 815 deadlift, and took home yet another set of trophies for his weight class and best overall lifter.Last edited by Clean; 05-20-2008 at 04:58 PM.
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05-20-2008, 05:15 PM #48
in this case i think he would be pretty good
lets estimate
i would say a 700+ single ply bench
900 single ply suited and wrapped squat to IPF depth
very likely a 900 deadlift
2600 total and very possibly higher
If he could pass an IPF drug test (which is not hard, assuming he wouldnt be randomly tested) this could win him a gold medal in the worlds in the +125 kg classLast edited by Vadim Beliaev; 05-20-2008 at 05:18 PM.
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05-20-2008, 05:25 PM #49
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I believe he did powerlifting when he was younger, but just because a bodybuilder goes to powerlifting doesn't mean he would dominate. They would do good, but that doesn't mean they would win and their are plenty of smaller powerlifting competitors putting up huge weights at low body weights. Franco was strong for his time, but he never won a strongman competition. If this was in the powerlifting section, this topic would be ripped apart.
Who knows what kind of weight he would put up at 242. All we know is the numbers he put up at 290-300 and so far, JOJ still has the better numbers and both were in suits except for Ronnie's bench I believe. Speculations means nothing when we already have bodybuilders with numbers out there. Sure, he maybe able to do that, but so could plenty of other bodybuilders (not the same weight, but comparable for their weights) if they did nothing but powerlift.
http://www.criticalbench.com/bodybui...h-pressing.htmLast edited by Clean; 05-20-2008 at 05:28 PM.
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05-20-2008, 05:29 PM #50
I said +242 which means above 242 and it was a miscalculation actually because the heaviest class is above 125 kg, which is more or less 270 pounds so it was that which i meant - above 270 pounds.
He obviously could bulk and weigh 320-330 for a powerlifting comp which possibly could jack his numbers even higher.
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Take 90lbs off the claimed lifts for Kovacks and you're closer to the truth.. still a ****ing monster of a man. There's a youtube vid of him inclining 585 for reps on the smith which equates to ridiculous pressing power no matter how you measure strength
My old training partner is the strongest person I've ever seen in a gym, he used to train with Greg and said he was the real thing. Don't think he ever really put the time into the 'big 3' some of the other guys in the list did
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no!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RABlMnmfCJ4 weight 258 in 03...which he probably put on 10 lbs of muscle that week in that vid with all the damn weight he pulled..haha JOKE
but yes 2004 he went from 259 to 296 lbs..damn he was incredible..ive never seen anyone put on that much size and still keep a lot of lines and detail. He is #1Last edited by Frankdaddy; 05-21-2008 at 05:46 AM.
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05-21-2008, 05:59 AM #60
Ronnie probably was 287 in 2003 and 296 in 2004. Light weight!
And i have to agree Ronnie is so incredible. In CoR you think it doesn't get any heavier after 800 lbs squats, but then he made 8 reps with 2300 lbs on leg press. Well, this was only a small part of the leg workout. Not to forget the perhaps heaviest back workout ever and 495 lbs bench press after countless sets of not much lighter sets for chest........
By the way, Ronnie was 310 lbs in CoR.Ronnie KING Coleman, the greatest bodybuilder of all time.
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