My goal to find a creatine that works best

[scouthern]

Gaspari Nutrition SizeOn, 1290 Grams, Arctic Lemon Ice

Controlled Labs Green Bulge, 150 Capsules


Controlled Labs Green MAGnitude, 418 Grams, Sour Green Apple

Fusion Nutrition Purple-K, 100 Caps

Each creatine is a month's worth so I can see which yields the best results for me, is this a waste of time or...?

[mojo85]

My Goal is to Masturbate 48 times in one day and god willing i'll achieve my dream one day



Did you already buy them all? If not just buy one at a time and if you liked that one then why move on? Stick with what works.

[darknessWithin]

clout is most likely the best but is expensive and not so tasty

[Vitruvian]

Clout, SizeOn, Neovar, and plain ol' bulk mono all get my thumbs up seal of approval.

[scouthern]

My Goal is to Masturbate 48 times in one day and god willing i'll achieve my dream one day



Did you already buy them all? If not just buy one at a time and if you liked that one then why move on? Stick with what works.

Hopefully the paramedics don't find you motionless, pants down holding the rubber end of a plunger.

And no, haven't bought them, and that's kind of the reason why I'm buying all at the same time, it'll last me about 4 months, and within 4 months I should know which creatine works for me.

clout is most likely the best but is expensive and not so tasty

Has L-Carnitine in it. Canadian customs would seize that.

[TALLGUY1989]

My Goal is to Masturbate 48 times in one day and god willing i'll achieve my dream one day



Did you already buy them all? If not just buy one at a time and if you liked that one then why move on? Stick with what works.

that was great hahahah but my goal is 49? am i just overachieving????

[Coop1990]

i would put straight monohydrate on that list because it is the cheapest and alot of people (including me) have found it to yield the best results. Maybe even try the monohydrate first so you can easily compare and see if the others are worth the extra money.

[scouthern]

I've tried mono and storm, nothin. Is Mag incredibly similar to storm? If so I'll scrap it.

[DBee]

I love STORM, what the hell are you expecting from creatine, steroid like gains?

[tonytartufo]

I've tried MANY creatine products and I always go back to my true and tried product............Optimum CGT-10. Creatine, glutamine and taurine. Easy to mix since it's creapure and VERY easy to drink.

Optimum should send me supps for the way I pimp their product!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Push Press Potts]

SizeON and Clout are best

[AmericanPsycho]

I've heard positives about Storm personally.

[scouthern]

I love STORM, what the hell are you expecting from creatine, steroid like gains?

why are you so excited? settle down. And no, I was expecting any of the following

Reduced soreness
increase in endurance and energy
Slight Increase in strength
Slight Fuller look
Slight weight gain (water retention)

And after a month of 0 progress, safe to say that type of creatine isnt working for me, so I've heard people who don't respond with certain kinds of creatine go for pill format or Kre-alkalyn which is what I am plan on doing.

[unsoberx]

i got the Body Fortress Creatine-monohydrate from Wal Mart, pretty low price, only 8 dollars per small can, it comes in powder, you take 1 or 2 teaspoon in water before exercising. and for 8 dollars, real good, and so far my strength is increasing, i did 175 lbs in bench-press 5 times and 195 lbs. almost 2 times even while dieting low calorie i am gaining strength

Unsoberx

Gaspari Nutrition SizeOn, 1290 Grams, Arctic Lemon Ice

Controlled Labs Green Bulge, 150 Capsules


Controlled Labs Green MAGnitude, 418 Grams, Sour Green Apple

Fusion Nutrition Purple-K, 100 Caps

Each creatine is a month's worth so I can see which yields the best results for me, is this a waste of time or...?

[legendz411]

i got the Body Fortress Creatine-monohydrate from Wal Mart, pretty low price, only 8 dollars per small can, it comes in powder, you take 1 or 2 teaspoon in water before exercising. and for 8 dollars, real good, and so far my strength is increasing, i did 175 lbs in bench-press 5 times and 195 lbs. almost 2 times even while dieting low calorie i am gaining strength

Unsoberx

hell yea bro

[DBee]

And after a month of 0 progress, safe to say that type of creatine isnt working for me, so I've heard people who don't respond with certain kinds of creatine go for pill format or Kre-alkalyn which is what I am plan on doing.

WHAT! so you don't respond to creatine gluconate, orotate, AKG or monohydrate? Looks like your **** out of luck.. Pills are inferior to powder, and Kre-alkalyn has already been debunked! (EXCITED) :-)

[Viperspit]

How's that Concrete stuff? I see ads for it in the mags I received lately. Anyone try it out yet?

[TheUnlikelyToad]

How's that Concrete stuff? I see ads for it in the mags I received lately. Anyone try it out yet?

It's good on tilapia I hear.

[scouthern]

WHAT! so you don't respond to creatine gluconate, orotate, AKG or monohydrate? Looks like your **** out of luck.. Pills are inferior to powder, and Kre-alkalyn has already been debunked! (EXCITED) :-)

Link to the kre-alkalyn debunk study plz.

[Viperspit]

It's good on tilapia I hear.

you've been hangin out with Dave too much

[DBee]

Link to the kre-alkalyn debunk study plz.

Creatine ethyl ester rapidly degrades to creatinine in stomach acid

Child R1 and Tallon MJ2

1Department of Life Sciences, Kingston University, Penrhyn Rd, Kingston-upon-Thames, United Kingdom. 2University of Northumbria, Sport Sciences, Northumbria University, Northumberland Building, Newcastle upon Tyne, United Kingdom, DrChild@CR-Technologies.net

Creatine ethyl ester (CEE) is a commercially available synthetic creatine that is now widely used in dietary supplements. It comprises of creatine with an ethyl group attached and this molecular configuration is reported to provide several advantages over creatine monohydrate (CM). The Medical Research Institute (CA, USA) claim that the CEE in their product (CE2) provides greater solubility in lipids, leading to improved absorption. Similarly San (San Corporation, CA, USA) claim that the CEE in their product (San CM2 Alpha) avoids the breakdown of creatine to creatinine in stomach acids. Ultimately it is claimed that CEE products provide greater absorption and efficacy than CM. To date, none of these claims have been evaluated by an independent, or university laboratory and no comparative data are available on CEE and CM.

This study assessed the availability of creatine from three commercial creatine products during degradation in acidic conditions similar to those that occur in the stomach. They comprised of two products containing CEE (San CM2 Alpha and CE2) and commercially available CM (Creapure?). An independent laboratory, using testing guidelines recommended by the United States Pharmacopeia (USP), performed the analysis. Each product was incubated in 900ml of pH 1 HCL at 37? 1oC and samples where drawn at 5, 30 and 120 minutes. Creatine availability was assessed by immediately assaying for free creatine, CEE and the creatine breakdown product creatinine, using HPLC (UV)

After 30 minutes incubation only 73% of the initial CEE present was available from CE2, while the amount of CEE available from San CM2 Alpha was even lower at only 62%. In contrast, more than 99% of the creatine remained available from the CM product. These reductions in CEE availability were accompanied by substantial creatinine formation, without the appearance of free creatine. After 120minutes incubation 72% of the CEE was available from CE2 with only 11% available from San CM2 Alpha, while more than 99% of the creatine remained available from CM.

CEE is claimed to provide several advantages over CM because of increased solubility and stability. In practice, the addition of the ethyl group to creatine actually reduces acid stability and accelerates its breakdown to creatinine. This substantially reduces creatine availability in its esterified form and as a consequence creatines such as San CM2 and CE2 are inferior to CM as a source of free creatine.

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Kre-alkalyn? supplementation has no beneficial effect on creatine-to-creatinine conversion rates.

Tallon MJ1 and Child R2

1University of Northumbria, Sport Sciences, Northumbria University, Northumberland Building, Newcastle upon Tyne, United Kingdom, 2Department of Life Sciences, Kingston University, Penrhyn Rd, Kingston-upon-Thames, United Kingdom. DrTallon@CR-Technologies.net

All American Pharmaceutical and Natural Foods Corp. (Billings, MT, USA) claim that Kre-alkalyn? (KA) a ?Buffered? creatine, is 100% stable in stomach acid and does not convert to creatinine. In contrast, they also claim that creatine monohydrate (CM) is highly pH labile with more than 90% of the creatine converting to the degradation product creatinine in stomach acids. To date, no independent or university laboratory has evaluated the stability of KA in stomach acids, assessed its possible conversion to creatinine, or made direct comparisons of acid stability with CM.

This study examined whether KA supplementation reduced the rate of creatine conversion to creatinine, relative to commercially available CM (Creapure?). Creatine products were analyzed by an independent commercial laboratory using testing guidelines recommended by the United States Pharmacopeia (USP). Each product was incubated in 900ml of pH 1 HCL at 37? 1oC and samples where drawn at 5, 30 and 120 minutes and immediately analyzed by HPLC (UV) for creatine and creatinine.

In contrast to the claims of All American Pharmaceutical and Natural Foods Corp., the rate of creatinine formation from CM was found to be less than 1% of the initial dose, demonstrating that CM is extremely stable under acidic conditions that replicate those of the stomach. This study also showed that KA supplementation actually resulted in 35% greater conversion of creatine to creatinine than CM. In conclusion the conversion of creatine to creatinine is not a limitation in the delivery of creatine from CM and KA is less stable than CM in the acid conditions of the stomach.



I was at the ISSN conference when Mark Tallon presented these and I literally almost high fived him. It's about time this crap died!

Now no more of this "cee works bro & kre-alkyln works bro' bull****

-Layne

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