Formadrol=SERM+AI

[10TonBrick]

so what would the proper doseing protacall be, when using formadrol as PCT

maybe-

5/5/4/3?

[Vizion]

Well the standard dosage is 4 per day, 2 in morning, 2 at night. Thats the dosage for their hardcore cycle anyway and the one I will personally be using in around a week.

[10TonBrick]

Well the standard dosage is 4 per day, 2 in morning, 2 at night. Thats the dosage for their hardcore cycle anyway and the one I will personally be using in around a week.

i see, but what would the overall dose be, im assuming you would taper off it

[icanrace]

this is the dosing schedule after my 3 weeker that LG gave me and it worked PERFECT for me........

Ran the Formadrol for 4 weeks after 3 weeks of Masterdrol, tapering down

Week 4- (3) caps per day
Week 5- (2) caps per day
Week 6-7 (1) cap per day

Again, I had NOOOO problems with this and maintained most of my gains.
I know a lot of people like being on the safe side which I totally agree with, but some people blow things way out of whack.
Milk Thistle, fish oil, Masterdrol & Formadrol is all you need imo for this cycle.
I didn't do blood before the cycle, but did it after my pct. My lipid profile was still elavated some, but it came back down to normal.

do what ya want bro as everyone is different, but do NOT under-estimate the potency of this type of stack (very toxic on your body.

edit: some potassium would help as well

[10TonBrick]

^^ i see

[sonicology]

Doesn't formestane have very poor oral bioavailability? I'm planning on using toremifene/raloxifene and transdermal formestane as PCT for my upcoming Havoc cycle for this very reason.

[10TonBrick]

Doesn't formestane have very poor oral bioavailability? I'm planning on using toremifene/raloxifene and transdermal formestane as PCT for my upcoming Havoc cycle for this very reason.

i dont think Formadrol and Formestane are the same thing

[icanrace]

Doesn't formestane have very poor oral bioavailability? I'm planning on using toremifene/raloxifene and transdermal formestane as PCT for my upcoming Havoc cycle for this very reason.

couldn't tell ya bro. I don't know anything about those products.

[DRP7]

Disclaimer-i do not intend to use this product any time soon, simply curious as to the amswer.

Because Formadrol contains a SERM and AI, would that make it sufficent for PH PCT?

How does the strength of Diadzen(sp), the SEM found in Formadrol compare to that of Nolvadex?

Is the AI on Formadrol an ATD?

What would the doseing for this if used as a PCT be, assuming that it is weaker than Nolva, thus more would be needed.

Thanks

whoever invented to put daidzein (soy isoflavone) into a product intended for male bodybuilders, has probaly not done a good job.

there are plenty of studies done on phytoestrogens and daidzein and genistein have really complex effects on estrogen receptors and ER subtypes. Noone can really predict which effects this stuff will have in different tissues in males, especially during altered hormonal balance (e.g. PCT).
potentially, daidzein COULD (but doesn't necessarily need) hamper HPTA recovery, and act proestrogenic in different tissues, including breast tissue.

no, no no! phytoestrogens are way too complex in order to be put in a supplement for male bodybuilders.

[sonicology]

i dont think Formadrol and Formestane are the same thing

It was my understanding that the AI in Formadrol is formestane, or am I mistaken?

[10TonBrick]

whoever invented to put daidzein (soy isoflavone) into a product intended for male bodybuilders, has probaly not done a good job.

there are plenty of studies done on phytoestrogens and daidzein and genistein have really complex effects on estrogen receptors and ER subtypes. Noone can really predict which effects this stuff will have in different tissues in males, especially during altered hormonal balance (e.g. PCT).
potentially, daidzein COULD (but doesn't necessarily need) hamper HPTA recovery, and act proestrogenic in different tissues, including breast tissue.

no, no no! phytoestrogens are way too complex in order to be put in a supplement for male bodybuilders.

interesting, reps for diff veiw point!

[10TonBrick]

It was my understanding that the AI in Formadrol is formestane, or am I mistaken?

6-alpha-methyl-etiocholene-3,17-dione

^^ thats the AI in Formadrol, i dont know if that is Formestane, it may be

[dan7681]

Who started all this talk about Formadrol being enough for PCT?

Honestly I view it as a big mistake to run Formadrol as your sole source of PCT.

[10TonBrick]

Who started all this talk about Formadrol being enough for PCT?

Honestly I view it as a big mistake to run Formadrol as your sole source of PCT.

the question has been asked in many threads, so i was curious and decided to come up with a "definate" answer...so far i have failed lol

[dan7681]

the question has been asked in many threads, so i was curious and decided to come up with a "definate" answer...so far i have failed lol

I wasn't saying it was you but was just asking in general to me. Personally I think it's a bad idea, I don't every think they'll be a OTC supplement strong enough for proper PCT. Why risk it with something like Formadrol anyway. I mean did no one learn anything from all the problems associated with ATD's during PCT?

[10TonBrick]

8R,9S,10R,13S,14S)-4-hydroxy-10,13-dimethyl-
2,6,7,8,9,11,12,14,15,16-decahydro-1H-
cyclopenta[a]phenanthrene-3,17-dione

^^ holy crap! is that whole thing Formestane?

[10TonBrick]

I wasn't saying it was you but was just asking in general to me. Personally I think it's a bad idea, I don't every think they'll be a OTC supplement strong enough for proper PCT. Why risk it with something like Formadrol anyway. I mean did no one learn anything from all the problems associated with ATD's during PCT?

i completely agree, however in some cases (usually abuse by youngsters) when PCT is needed, but they cant get there hands on nolva, then would this be an alternative, IMO yes, it is better than 6oxo or Novedex for PCT


but yes, nolva is best, dont risk it

[icanrace]

I'm not disagreeing with anyone on here. Is Tamox. Citrate good, heck yes it is.................is it necessary for pct with something like SD, MD, Halo etc, who knows (this is my opinion & everyone is welcomed to have one) What I do know is I ran Formadrol even though I had some Tamox. on hand and was fine. I did not need it and the Formadrol did its job. My blood work checked out fine a couple weeks after my pct as well. I have not had one problem with gyno, libido or any other health issues that I'm aware of. If I were to run another cycle of MD, Formadrol would be my pct.

[10TonBrick]

I'm not disagreeing with anyone on here. Is Tamox. Citrate good, heck yes it is.................is it necessary for pct with something like SD, MD, Halo etc, who knows (this is my opinion & everyone is welcomed to have one) What I do know is I ran Formadrol even though I had some Tamox. on hand and was fine. I did not need it and the Formadrol did its job. My blood work checked out fine a couple weeks after my pct as well. I have not had one problem with gyno, libido or any other health issues that I'm aware of. If I were to run another cycle of MD, Formadrol would be my pct.

i noticed your age, most of the ppl who have ran Formadrol for PCT after masterdrol, and had no sides, seem to be around your age. 30-40

strange? does age have somthing to do with rebounding? i figured the younger users would rebound better than the older ones.

any input?

[icanrace]

i noticed your age, most of the ppl who have ran Formadrol for PCT after masterdrol, and had no sides, seem to be around your age. 30-40

strange? does age have somthing to do with rebounding? i figured the younger users would rebound better than the older ones.

any input?

I'm not sure. One other thing to note during my cycle and all through pct and even after pct, I was a sex machine. Zero libido loss the whole time.

Most of these guys on here like Dr. P and some others that have chimed in really know their stuff (at least they seem to). I'm sure their points are very valid and I don't disagree with them 100%. I do really value all their feedback as well. I just wanted to mainly share my personal experiance that I've had using Formadrol. I wish everyone the best of luck in whatever they choose to use. We're all in this together and need to learn from one another (even if there are disagreements or differnt opinions on things.

[10TonBrick]

I'm not sure. One other thing to note during my cycle and all through pct and even after pct, I was a sex machine. Zero libido loss the whole time.

Most of these guys on here like Dr. D and some others that have chimed in really know their stuff (at least they seem to). I'm sure their points are very valid and I don't disagree with them 100%. I do really value all their feedback as well. I just wanted to mainly share my personal experiance that I've had using Formadrol. I wish everyone the best of luck in whatever they choose to use. We're all in this together and need to learn from one another (even if there are disagreements or differnt opinions on things.

whats even more strange is that ur libido didnt die....SD and its clones can be a dick killer....lol

some ppl just get lucky i guess..

[dan7681]

i completely agree, however in some cases (usually abuse by youngsters) when PCT is needed, but they cant get there hands on nolva, then would this be an alternative, IMO yes, it is better than 6oxo or Novedex for PCT


but yes, nolva is best, dont risk it

IMO NO, in essence now your just condoning the improper actions of these "youngsters"

THis is not an alternative and there is no reason to believe Formadrol would have any added benefit over any other OTC PCT product

[DRP7]

I just wanted to mainly share my personal experiance that I've had using Formadrol. I wish everyone the best of luck in whatever they choose to use. We're all in this together and need to learn from one another (even if there are disagreements or differnt opinions on things.

icanrace, your experience, feedabck and opinions are highly appreciated.
I usually like to point to some *potential*problems that *could* occur with some substances. this does not meen that those problems necessarily need to happen, at least not in all people.
interestingly, there have been quite some people who ran SD, PP, M1T and other stuff without ANY PCT and did not develop gyno at all. these guys were just lucky! but that does not mean that it is a good idea to run a cycle of AAS without proper PCT.

roidrage: thanks for repping and kind words! with regards to your question: I think that HPTA recovery after a cycle is definitely easier and faster in younger when compared to older people. the older you get, the less effective HPTA axis becomes. One has to be aware of the fact that HPTA depends on a very tight coordination of pulsatile LHRH (hypothalamus) / LH (pituitary gland) release in order to effectively stimulate testes. With increasing age pulsatility of release becomes impaired as well as the responsiveness of the testes to pulsatile stimuli.

[icanrace]

icanrace, your experience, feedabck and opinions are highly appreciated.
I usually like to point to some *potential*problems that *could* occur with some substances. this does not meen that those problems necessarily need to happen, at least not in all people.
interestingly, there have been quite some people who ran SD, PP, M1T and other stuff without ANY PCT and did not develop gyno at all. these guys were just lucky! but that does not mean that it is a good idea to run a cycle of AAS without proper PCT.

roidrage: thanks for repping and kind words! with regards to your question: I think that HPTA recovery after a cycle is definitely easier and faster in younger when compared to older people. the older you get, the less effective HPTA axis becomes. One has to be aware of the fact that HPTA depends on a very tight coordination of pulsatile LHRH (hypothalamus) / LH (pituitary gland) release in order to effectively stimulate testes. With increasing age pulsatility of release becomes impaired as well as the responsiveness of the testes to pulsatile stimuli.

I totally understand man

Very good discussion here guys, good job

[10TonBrick]

IMO NO, in essence now your just condoning the improper actions of these "youngsters"

THis is not an alternative and there is no reason to believe Formadrol would have any added benefit over any other OTC PCT product

ok, i worded myself wrong, i meant to say that, in the worst and most ignorent of circumstances, when one has started and is nearing the end of a PH cycle, and they have/CANNOT got a hold of any nolva, then i would recommed Formadrol over 6oxo in a lst ditch effort to recover.

i should not have referd to it as an "alternative" to nolva, because it is not
(sorry for the run on sentance)

[dan7681]

ok, i worded myself wrong, i meant to say that, in the worst and most ignorent of circumstances, when one has started and is nearing the end of a PH cycle, and they have/CANNOT got a hold of any nolva, then i would recommed Formadrol over 6oxo in a lst ditch effort to recover.

i should not have referd to it as an "alternative" to nolva, because it is not
(sorry for the run on sentance)

haha, I think your missing my point. Whatever restraints you attach to the recommendation it won't matter in the eyes of a teenager/(or any other uninformed person). All they'll hear is "recommend" and run with it.

[10TonBrick]

haha, I think your missing my point. Whatever restraints you attach to the recommendation it won't matter in the eyes of a teenager/(or any other uninformed person). All they'll hear is "recommend" and run with it.

yea i got it...not my intention here, i get what ur saying

[ElMariachi]

Look, if someone is going to get into prohormones/AAS, I fail to see how Nolva can be ignored. If I were ever to jump into one of these products, I would never do so without having secured a suitable amount of Nolva for my PCT, period. As far as I'm concerned, you shouldn't run a cycle without it, or some other suitable SERM available. Formadrol is NOT suitable, I don't care how often people try to hype that nonsense on these boards.

If you're serious enough about messing with your hormones and getting into some of these products, then you'd damn sure better be serious about all the necessary ancillaries that go with them.

[dan7681]

yea i got it...not my intention here, i get what ur saying

Yeah I defintley knew it wasn't/isn't your intention.

[dan7681]

Look, if someone is going to get into prohormones/AAS, I fail to see how Nolva can be ignored. If I were ever to jump into one of these products, I would never do so without having secured a suitable amount of Nolva for my PCT, period. As far as I'm concerned, you shouldn't run a cycle without it, or some other suitable SERM available. Formadrol is NOT suitable, I don't care how often people try to hype that nonsense on these boards.

If you're serious enough about messing with your hormones and getting into some of these products, then you'd damn sure better be serious about all the necessary ancillaries that go with them.

Very true. Personally I don't even believe Nolva is a perfect choice either. I also think many forget that SERM's in general can also be dangerous. I've seen many ppl posting Nolva dosage which in my mind far exceed the levels needed.