Don't want to alarm anyone or point a finger at ErgoPharm but I think this is worth a topic.
I have used ErgoPharm 1AD stacked with 4AD spray before with great results. No side effects at all. I tapered on the dosage until I was at 6 pills a day of the 1AD.
About 2 months ago I started another cycle of the same products after about a 3 month layoff. Everything was fine until I got up to 6 a day (I know 3 a day is recommended max). Then I got a nasty skin rash similar to hives.
This same sort of reaction has been reported at least several times in some threads on this board. I also have a friend who, same as I, had one successful cycle and then had this same rash problem on the next cycle.
This was obviously an allergic reaction of my body to the supplement. I have since tried one single does of the 1AD only to have the same allergic reaction. My body does not like this stuff anymore.
My question is: Do you think my body is reacting to 1-test or 1-AD? Is this a liver pass-thru problem? Would a transdermal 1-test product be better in this case? I would hate to think I can't use any kind of 1-test product at all.
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Thread: 1AD and skin rashes
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02-20-2003, 10:16 AM #1
1AD and skin rashes
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02-20-2003, 10:23 AM #2
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02-20-2003, 11:02 AM #3
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02-20-2003, 11:11 AM #4
First off, I don't really know what biological factors are at work here to give you the rash. If I would have to take a guess, I'd say that you developed an allergy from the irritant properties of 1-test. My step dad got the same type of rash while on ONE. So, I do not think that a transdermal would be better for you. Florida, another user, reported a skin rash also.
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02-20-2003, 12:33 PM #5
You are in all likelihood experiencing an allergic reaction to the 1-test itself; I am doubtful that you will respond more favorably to alternate delivery methods.
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02-20-2003, 03:55 PM #6
Allergic reactions are well documented with RX steroids.....Usually they're skin-rashes. Occasionally they've been more severe including life-threatening anaphyactic type reactions. (This involves edema & tissue swelling including the throat which can close off your airway.)
Initially--allergic reactions are usually mild..but if you persist--and keep exposing your body to something it clearly doesn't "like".........your chances increase of something more severe than a rash occuring.
Another poster mentioned getting "pus-filled" lesions on his skin.
This sounds a little like something called "Stevens-Johnson Syndrome". This is an allergic reaction usually associated with sulfa antibiotics. While it only involves the skin...it can be very severe including the sloughing off of large areas of the persons skin. Not a nice thing at all.
I think anybody that experiences a rash to PHs...should stop immediately..............you're pushing your luck to continue taking something you're obviously allergic to................Bender
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10-29-2003, 03:27 AM #7
1-AD IDS
Same thing just happenned to me. My first cycle was wonderful, gained about 15lbs of muscle without a rash. This current cycle has been one scratchy affair, my body is covered. I just decided to end my cycle at 2 weeks. I have a couple of questions for the gurus around, should I use the nolva I have and if so, for how long. Also how long should I wait before trying it again. My first cycle went 4 weeks and then I was off for 4 weeks.
Ken
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10-29-2003, 03:39 AM #8
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Originally posted by bender
Initially--allergic reactions are usually mild..but if you persist--and keep exposing your body to something it clearly doesn't "like".........your chances increase of something more severe than a rash occuring.
I think anybody that experiences a rash to PHs...should stop immediately..............you're pushing your luck to continue taking something you're obviously allergic to................Bender
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10-29-2003, 04:46 AM #9
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03-12-2004, 07:23 AM #10
I've recently started a cycle with Syntrax Sauce.
So far I have experienced no allergic reaction. Its early but it only took 1 cap of 1-AD to set me off.
My friend who also had a worse reaction to 1-AD than I has also begun a new cycle using Nutrex 1-TU. He too has had no allergic reaction.
Hopes this continues.
Is it possible that 1-AD somehow enhances the irritant properties of 1-test?
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03-12-2004, 07:50 AM #11Originally posted by squidward
I've recently started a cycle with Syntrax Sauce.
So far I have experienced no allergic reaction. Its early but it only took 1 cap of 1-AD to set me off.
My friend who also had a worse reaction to 1-AD than I has also begun a new cycle using Nutrex 1-TU. He too has had no allergic reaction.
Hopes this continues.
Is it possible that 1-AD somehow enhances the irritant properties of 1-test?
I don't think 1ad will amplify the irritation.
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03-12-2004, 08:13 AM #12
My allergic reaction was not skin irritation. I was red and itchy all over. Not just in areas where I was applying a transdermal. It definitely wasn't skin related.
I too have had minor skin irritations from transdermals but they are nothing compared to the allergic reaction my friend and I experienced. Not life threatening but far more uncomfortable than any skin rash.
Rash is really not the word I should've used here. Allergic reaction is really the term.
Not to diss anyone who was nice and helpful enough to answer to this thread but I am really wondering whether I am allergic to 1-test or 1-ad.
I know 1-ad is a precursor to 1-test but I'm too stupid to know the real difference there.
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03-12-2004, 09:09 AM #13
Re: 1AD and skin rashes
Originally posted by squidward
Don't want to alarm anyone or point a finger at ErgoPharm but I think this is worth a topic.
I have used ErgoPharm 1AD stacked with 4AD spray before with great results. No side effects at all. I tapered on the dosage until I was at 6 pills a day of the 1AD.
About 2 months ago I started another cycle of the same products after about a 3 month layoff. Everything was fine until I got up to 6 a day (I know 3 a day is recommended max). Then I got a nasty skin rash similar to hives.
This same sort of reaction has been reported at least several times in some threads on this board. I also have a friend who, same as I, had one successful cycle and then had this same rash problem on the next cycle.
This was obviously an allergic reaction of my body to the supplement. I have since tried one single does of the 1AD only to have the same allergic reaction. My body does not like this stuff anymore.
My question is: Do you think my body is reacting to 1-test or 1-AD? Is this a liver pass-thru problem? Would a transdermal 1-test product be better in this case? I would hate to think I can't use any kind of 1-test product at all.
the allergic reaction is very likely from metabolites of 1-AD that have the delta-1,3-one functional group. Specifically 1-androstenedione and 1-testosternoe.
therefore it is most likely that if you take a 1-test product you will suffer the same reaction
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03-12-2004, 09:10 AM #14
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03-12-2004, 09:18 AM #15Originally posted by squidward
I've recently started a cycle with Syntrax Sauce.
So far I have experienced no allergic reaction. Its early but it only took 1 cap of 1-AD to set me off.
My friend who also had a worse reaction to 1-AD than I has also begun a new cycle using Nutrex 1-TU. He too has had no allergic reaction.
Hopes this continues.
Is it possible that 1-AD somehow enhances the irritant properties of 1-test?
you probably are getting alot more 1-test or metabolites thereof into your system with a cap of 1-=AD than with a cap of th TU or sauce
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03-12-2004, 09:49 AM #16Originally posted by Patrick Arnold
you probably are getting alot more 1-test or metabolites thereof into your system with a cap of 1-=AD than with a cap of th TU or sauce
Well that must mean that if I increase the dosage that I will bring on the allergic reaction.
My friend is about 4 days into his cyle of 1-TU at 2 caps a day.
I am 2 days in at 2 caps a day of Sauce HD 100mg.
I am also stacking with 4AD transdermal and 1,4 Andro 200mg caps.
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03-12-2004, 10:19 AM #17
PA I'm sure i read in a post that you replied to that this rash occurs in a very small percentage of people....also i think you said to stop if it does occur but you may be fine when you try another cycle.
I got real bad hives when I did a 1-AD, 4-AD tran cycle about 6 months ago. I had to stop half way through my 2nd week it was so bad. It def wasnt from applying the 4-AD cause I also got hives on my shaved head and I def didnt apply any 4-AD there.
But i have just finished a 5 week cycle of 1-AD and 4AD, the last 2 weeks being at 600mg 1-AD and 500mg 4-AD. No rash at all this time just like PA said.What is pain?
Pain........is ONLY weakness leaving the body
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03-12-2004, 12:50 PM #18Originally posted by squidward
Well that must mean that if I increase the dosage that I will bring on the allergic reaction.
My friend is about 4 days into his cyle of 1-TU at 2 caps a day.
I am 2 days in at 2 caps a day of Sauce HD 100mg.
I am also stacking with 4AD transdermal and 1,4 Andro 200mg caps.
or you may have lost your sensitivity to the 1-test compounds' allergenicity
tough to say
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03-15-2004, 11:03 AM #19
I am now on 5th day of Sauce 1-T HD cycle and up to 400mg per day. Still stacking with 8-12 sprays of 4derm and 800mg 1,4.
Friend is on 7th day of Nutrex 1-TU only cycle at 400mg per day and starting adding 4derm on Saturday.
No allergic reaction for either.
Hopefully PA is right and we've lost our sensitivity to 1-test.
If the rest of this bottle goes well may step up to transdermal ****.
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03-24-2004, 10:26 AM #20
1-AD Reaction
Started a cycle of 1-Ad and Guggul.
Never took 1-AD before. However after 3rd day, I developed a rash from shoulder up.
Quit taking altogether for a day and the rash began to fade. Took one 1-AD and rash was back for the day.
Taking Guggul and 6-Oxo and no rash...so its the 1-AD
Bummer, good results in the 3 days
Big difference from what I see in 1-AD and 6-Oxo is Diol..any suggestions on replacement for 1-AD?Don't make me smile
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03-24-2004, 11:06 AM #21
I basically waited a year after my allergic reaction and then started a cycle with Sauce 1-T HD. I've been through 1 whole bottle of it so far with no problems whatsoever.
I can't say if this is because of the 1 year layoff or because of a different product. It could be either or both.
I will continue with another bottle of Sauce and will work in some **** (dermal 1-test).
Results so far with Sauce have been nothing short of spectacular. Strength gains are immense. Seems as though they may come from elevated confidence as much as they do from physiological improvements.
Also gaining weight rapidly which is something I normally have a tough time doing (and I'm old :-o)
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