I was responding to someone wondering how it might be tested. One way is by testing it against fossils around us or against genomes in different species... real things in our world that are observable. The whole point of being testable....it makes some rather specific predictions that are confirmed by repeated observation.
You seem to be confusing the more theoretical nuances of evolutionary theory, differing factors that contribute to speciation, its rate over time, etc.....with the fact evolution has occurred on earth and explains the diversity of life around us. The latter is about as evidenced to the same extent the earth is not flat is evidenced...Id wager in 100 years no one would find this latter “theory” to be infantile. Of course, as with everything in science...the opportunity for falsification nevertheless is always there...I just don’t expect evidence to roll in that life hasn’t evolved on earth, in the same way I don’t expect evidence to roll in that the earth is actually a flat square.
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11-28-2020, 10:20 PM #91∫∫ Mathematics crew ∑∑
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11-28-2020, 10:29 PM #94
1. Do you believe that when animals have offsprings, the offspring gets a combination of their parents genetics?
2. Do you believe that sometimes there are random mutations? Like being born with an extra leg, no fur, or an eye missing?
3. Do you believe that once an offering has these mutations, they are more likely to pass those genes down to their own offsprings since it’s part of their dna?
4. There are now more members of that species with the initial mutations. Do you believe that some mutations will help you survive, meaning the initial species will die out but the mutants are more likely to survive and continue to pass on their genes?
5. This process can happen over and over again. That mutant has more mutant offsprings, which have more mutant offsprings, which have more mutant offsprings. Eventually, the new mutant offsprings have such different genetics from their ancestor in point 1, different muscles, brain, eyes, hair, that it would be considered by us a new species
That’s all evolution is
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11-28-2020, 10:32 PM #95
He has a point and it is similar to the one I made earlier, and that is that you are retrofitting the science of evolution to this child-like "Religion bad, science good" narrative you like to peddle in. Whilst evolution is of course a most robust and well-attested theory it is not the one-dimensional anti-theistic animus you seem to be selling it as.Back off, Warchild.
Seriously.
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11-28-2020, 10:37 PM #96
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11-28-2020, 10:46 PM #98
Here's a quick 4 minute video on evolution passing yet another test:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...xoAJ36ASRA40yy
The only people who disagree with evolution disageee with it because it contradicts their worldview. They don't actually understand the science, nor do they ever have a problem with other scientific theories (because they agree with their world view). It's intellectually dishonest.
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Hmmm....it seems like whatever your position is [not that I care that much tbh],religion is in fact playing a role [among others...I listed some guesses above] in peoples’ unwillingness to agree with basic science and look into the evidence in the case of evolution [this is really the only relevance of religion to the OP topic]. For people who are skeptical for some reason of this correlation, there have been various polls done on this topic.
No one is saying people can’t be religious and accept evolution as fact....ideas like theistic evolution, whatever that even is, is an example of a way believers adapt their views to the findings of science [note the order...science discovers facts, religious views adapt to it, not the other way around]. If they want to have beliefs like this...ok...that’s on them.
I would argue the evolution of life on earth is, however, in major conflict with a reading, as-is, of something like Genesis in the bible- not with accompanying gymnastics or anything of the sort- but as-is. And it seems like this is one contributing factor to that above mentioned trend of rejection of evolution in religious groups.∫∫ Mathematics crew ∑∑
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11-28-2020, 11:16 PM #102
Well let’s see...in this very thread, we have Blackjack arguing from consequences, Tears and others displaying a sort of distrust in science or “lab coat/technology paranoia” (^^^), some others critical on religious grounds......I suppose those guesses earlier weren’t entirely off the mark.
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11-28-2020, 11:19 PM #103
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11-28-2020, 11:20 PM #104
it's not like there's a magical tipping point where everyone believes the best available explanation at the same time. in a few isolated places they were still worshipping the classical greek gods a few hundred years after everyone else had moved on. Christianity and monotheism in general learned from the decline of polytheistic cultures that you can't allow any room for competing ideas and spent centuries aggressively enforcing their beliefs. we've had evolution as an official "theory" since 1860 or something, it's probably gonna take another hundred years for that to really permeate through rural Alabama.
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11-29-2020, 01:21 AM #108
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11-29-2020, 04:36 AM #109“Steroids is now just a word that the lazy and ignorant use to describe any guy that has more muscle and dedication than them”– Mike O'Hearn
"I am like getting the feeling of cumming in the gym; I'm getting the feeling of cumming at home; I'm getting the feeling of cumming backstage; when I pump up, when I pose out in front of 5000 people I get the same feeling, so I am cumming day and night. It's terrific, right? So you know, I am in heaven."
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11-29-2020, 05:46 AM #110
There are enormous quantities of books that attempt to prove a great many things. And you actually didn't address anything I said. Talking points are talking points for a reason, so maybe don't jump to conclusions because they're what people go to first. Your response is, after all, something I've heard before a few times. I could just as easily refer you to the evidence that fills the books that argue against whatever books you're thinking of.
But looking over the thread, that's clearly not what you actually want to discuss. You're here to prove to yourself a dichotomy between religion and science. My response to that is simple - religion is what you believe about the origins and purpose of the universe, science is better understanding the universe through detailed observation. Neither you nor I am capable of going into science without religion coloring our conclusions.
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11-29-2020, 06:34 AM #113
There are non-coding parts of the genome that have a predictable mutation rate, it can be and is rigorously tested. The concept of one common ancestor is extremely easily tested and has been. There are methods of radiometric dating (Rb/Sr, K/Ar etc) that are often employed to date fossils. What evidence do you need to see and why?
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11-29-2020, 06:38 AM #114
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11-29-2020, 07:33 AM #116
I believe in the laws of thermodynamics, the laws of pascal, ohm's law, Boyles's Law, and by believing in these I can build machines that can improve my life and the quality of life of others, theres purpose in believing in these laws because they are true and you can build from them. Theres a reason someone would want to believe and understand ohm's law.
What reason does someone have to believe in evolution? What has been built from observing the "truths" of evolution. How does believing in evolution improve anyone's life?
I can easily make the arguement how believing in the laws of thermodynamics has improved our quality of life, I can also make the argument how believing in ohm's law makes what we we are doing now possible. I can also argue how believing in religion serves a purpose, so why would someone believe in evolution if it serves no purpose?Jesus Christ is Lord whether you accept Him or not.
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11-29-2020, 07:47 AM #119
I have built a lot from believing in the laws of thermodynamics, ohm's law, and Pascals law ect.... theres a purpose in believing in those laws.
What purpose does believing in evolution serve?
OP wants to know why people dont believe in evolution and I am telling you because it serves no purpose, unlike beliving in ohm's law.Jesus Christ is Lord whether you accept Him or not.
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11-29-2020, 07:56 AM #120
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