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    If you are considering trying new PWO's/Fat burners containing Arecoline

    This article sums up the significant risk. Please read it and understand why it has no place in supplements.

    https://blog.priceplow.com/betel-nut-arecoline
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    Good post. In the article it says LGI worked with dynamik on these products? I thought it was rumored that Blackstone/prime was behind it or, atleast pj braun ect, are they related to LGI now?
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    But srs, good article and info about this controversial ingredient.
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    I like how the person repping a company which sells things which are completely opposite of this person's username, is trying to stir up trouble. Sigh.
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    Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post
    I like how the person repping a company which sells things which are completely opposite of this person's username, is trying to stir up trouble. Sigh.
    well, you sure showed you're the bigger man by mixing in a petty shot
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    Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post
    I like how the person repping a company which sells things which are completely opposite of this person's username, is trying to stir up trouble. Sigh.
    Strong post. Posting a science backed article to help protect people is stirring up trouble.

    And how does my username or company I am associated with have anything to do with this thread? I didn't write the article LOL.
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    Originally Posted by DoitsuJin View Post
    well, you sure showed you're the bigger man by mixing in a petty shot
    Calling it as I see it.

    We clearly saw what was the real agenda in the recent closed thread.

    Originally Posted by noaddedhormones View Post
    Strong post. Posting a science backed article to help protect people is stirring up trouble.

    And how does my username or company I am associated with have anything to do with this thread? I didn't write the article LOL.
    Science? I guess for you, badly extrapolating data counts as science eh?

    It is what it is, same nonsense drama that has been occurring over at the other board brought over here.

    What are some of the major things OL sells right now? What were the things you guys sold prior to end of last year? Yeah, don't go throwing stones when you're in a glass house.
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    Originally Posted by Vinny82 View Post
    Good post. In the article it says LGI worked with dynamik on these products? I thought it was rumored that Blackstone/prime was behind it or, atleast pj braun ect, are they related to LGI now?
    I'm not sure as I am not interested pointing fingers at other companies, im merely posting this consolidation of evidence of the risks of consuming the ingredient. No dog in the fight, just posting so consumers can be informed.
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    Arecoline is an ingredient that should not be allowed to be in supplements period. Not even sure why this would be debated.
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    its been in LGI products and sold extremely well for over a year now, are we know just finding out about this ingredient?
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    Originally Posted by LoudyRowdy View Post
    its been in LGI products and sold extremely well for over a year now, are we know just finding out about this ingredient?
    Of course it sold well it's an euphoriant.
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    Originally Posted by OT2000 View Post
    Of course it sold well it's an euphoriant.
    Why didn't anyone catch acrecoline then? No one made an issue about acrecoline until Dynamix/Kai
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    Originally Posted by LoudyRowdy View Post
    Why didn't anyone catch acrecoline then? No one made an issue about acrecoline until Dynamix/Kai
    I posted about it over a year ago on AM...and it got brought up here the other day because I saw it in a random thread and posted. I literally do not care about who is making it, stop trying to find some sort of drama (not to mention LGI is not even carried or ever mentioned here).

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    Originally Posted by LoudyRowdy View Post
    Why didn't anyone catch acrecoline then? No one made an issue about acrecoline until Dynamix/Kai
    It has been around a while used by companies supplying grey type products typically and/or have questionable products. Falls under the radar due to the companies involved.
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    Originally Posted by Synapsin View Post
    I posted about it over a year ago on AM...and it got brought up here the other day because I saw it in a random thread and posted. I literally do not care about who is making it, stop trying to find some sort of drama (not to mention LGI is not even carried or ever mentioned here).
    Stop trying to think I am because I'm not

    Originally Posted by OT2000 View Post
    It has been around a while used by companies supplying grey type products typically and/or have questionable products. Falls under the radar due to the companies involved.
    Didnt even know Syn wrote an article about it over at AM (I'm rarely there). This ingredient is new to me and had no idea that it was in a popular brand product a few years back.
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    my question is....how "bad" is this ingredient. are we talking the equivalent to rubbing snuff/tobacco?

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    Originally Posted by ISurfNudeBrah View Post
    The article in OP says this, yes.

    Can we ban KDD? Dude makes this forum more dumb everyday, it's exhausting reading his illogical posts 24/7 (hell I don't even read the paragraphs of nonsense he posts anymore, but it still is annoying).
    Like this post is adding so much to the supp section. There is a ignore feature you can use.
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    Originally Posted by uforce View Post
    my question is....how "bad" is this ingredient. are we talking the equivalent to rubbing snuff/tobacco?
    Different concerns - one is the link between chewing the areca/betel nut and oral/eso****eal cancer. The other separate - and more relevant concern for our purposes - is the potential systemic effects of arecoline as a neurotoxin and carcinogen:

    http://toxsci.oxfordjournals.org/content/100/1/66.full

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    The end fact is that if its even remotely dangerous the risks outweigh the positives (if their are any) because most natural supplements have little effect on overall physique, so lol to anyone defending it
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    Syn laying the smack down.

    My first ban was thanks to KDD trolling me and pushing me over the edge. Looks like he is still hard at it.
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    They chew this same chit in the Philippines. It's locally referred to as nga-nga. They used this before they could afford commercial tobacco. I've heard stories
    from my family about their predecessors using it and their mouths and teeth loosely translated "melted" after years of use. It's still somewhat popular in more local tribal areas.

    horror stories from my family alone will keep me away from this chit.
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    Originally Posted by ajvitan View Post
    They chew this same chit in the Philippines. It's locally referred to as nga-nga. They used this before they could afford commercial tobacco. I've heard stories
    from my family about their predecessors using it and their mouths and teeth loosely translated "melted" after years of use. It's still somewhat popular in more local tribal areas.

    horror stories from my family alone will keep me away from this chit.
    Hopefully everyone else as well
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    Itt: we narc'd you out - expect SWAT to come into ur house and disrespect ur whole family, kdd.

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    Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post
    Calling it as I see it.

    We clearly saw what was the real agenda in the recent closed thread.
    As someone with no affiliation or vested interest towards Prime or PES, it was quite clear that his only agenda had to do with awareness of the ingredient and nothing towards the company you rep for.

    And, you're not calling it as you see it. You could've just stated that as a rep, it could be conflicting for him to post such information - which I don't think it is, regardless, as he's debating about a particular ingredient - but you had to mix personal pot shots in your post to distract from the task at hand.

    Anyway, looks like Syn's got this under control... too bad he likes the lesser Manchester club. 8-) (That's how you take a real potshot!)
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    itt the joker arguing ethics with darth vader.

    im glad for anyone to spread awareness of dangerous ingredients, pls continue, but the irony is real itt.

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