I just read the presidents executive order

[twovalvekid]

Better than being a retard posting, son.

Wait, so you're saying you *are* retarded?

[BuckNakedinBama]

How is that censoring? They're not deleting the posts, just pointing out where it's wrong. A big part of the issue with the alt-right alternate reality bubble is that it has conditioned people to believe that facts are incorrect and created a backlash against fact checkers. They're not.

The best solution would be for Twitter to fact check every post from everybody that is factually incorrect, but that would not placate the alt-right because the percentage of incorrect statements is far higher and they've already started a backlash against fact checkers, so they would still cry unfair.

If a "fact-checker" has an agenda, or a bias, if there is something controversial they disagree with they'll label it as untrue, but if there is something they agree with they'll label it true. That's the threat. They need to decide whether they're a platform or a content producer.

I work in product liability law. In most states there is a middleman/distributor defense. If they buy a product from a manufacturer, resell it, then someone gets hurt, they can't be held liable UNLESS they modify the product first. These platforms are modifying speech before it reaches the end user. That should remove their liability shield.

[jlick]

I don't use social media at all,but they had to do something after 2016 and the analysis done by experts.
it just can't be a free for all, better yet create a conservative version of twitter

of course they had to do something. they have literally been throwing the boat at trump trying to take him down. too bad he only grows stronger.

They might have been censuring conservatives, but they never censored them. There is a difference, son.

ohhhh cool bro you caught a misspelling!!! Do you want a cookie and a star on your board?

[z4v4]

Wait, so you're saying you *are* retarded?

English, mother****er, do you speak it?

[z4v4]

ohhhh cool bro you caught a misspelling!!! Do you want a cookie and a star on your board?

It's not a misspelling. It's an actual word, and something they are guilty of. Censoring, though, no.

[twovalvekid]

How is that censoring? They're not deleting the posts, just pointing out where it's wrong.

This is the problem. Given twitter's (and many other platforms) choices and actions, who's fact checking the fact checker? So some neckbeard goes and finds an article that agrees with his sentiment and then uses that as the "fact" to say said person is "wrong."

This isnt a Liberal, Conservative, alt-right, antifa, etc. issue. I trust in twitter/FB/youtube 0% when it comes to being unbiased with this. Kinda like youtube removing videos "for the greater good" when they disagree with the WHO? That aged well...

English, mother****er, do you speak it?

odd response to you admitting youre retarded.

[sunsean]

If a "fact-checker" has an agenda, or a bias, if there is something controversial they disagree with they'll label it as untrue, but if there is something they agree with they'll label it true. That's the threat. They need to decide whether they're a platform or a content producer.

I don't think you're grasping the concept of a "fact." A "fact" isn't open to debate, it is proven. Trump doesn't get to change the meaning of the concept at will - he has shared many way out opinions that are far from fact all while claiming the media is "fake news." Trump is not, in fact, the arbiter of what is true and not.

Making a false claim that defies established studies is refuting a "fact" - Twitter didn't delete the post, or edit it, they just added a link to a study showing Trump's claim goes against the research.

[twovalvekid]

I don't think you're grasping the concept of a "fact." A "fact" isn't open to debate, it is proven. Trump doesn't get to change the meaning of the concept at will - he has shared many way out opinions that are far from fact all while claiming the media is "fake news." Trump is not, in fact, the arbiter of what is true and not.

Making a false claim that defies established studies is refuting a "fact" - Twitter didn't delete the post, or edit it, they just added a link to a study showing Trump's claim goes against the research.

Because no one has ever misrepresented "Facts" by reading a study how they want....i mean....this is a bodybuliding forum right? So a fundamental understanding of that concept and the problem associated with Twitter deciding what's fact shouldnt be hard to grasp.

Like i said above, like youtube removing videos and demonitizing for people calling out the WHO or showing how they could be potentially wrong? That decision aged well on...masks...human to human spread.......

Or the videos that were removed because all they were, were doctors explaining the statistics and providing alternate viewpoints?

Nah, this couldnt go wrong.

[z4v4]

odd response to you admitting youre retarded.

Like I said, you can't even write at an 8th grade level, so it's not my fault/problem if you can't read either.

[Sakeoe]

How is that censoring? They're not deleting the posts, just pointing out where it's wrong. A big part of the issue with the alt-right alternate reality bubble is that it has conditioned people to believe that facts are incorrect and created a backlash against fact checkers. They're not.

The best solution would be for Twitter to fact check every post from everybody that is factually incorrect, but that would not placate the alt-right because the percentage of incorrect statements is far higher and they've already started a backlash against fact checkers, so they would still cry unfair.

It's funny you can write all of this, and if you just changed the "alt-right" to "left" it'd have factually correct.

But due to that one word, it is actually factually incorrect.

[BuckNakedinBama]

I don't think you're grasping the concept of a "fact." A "fact" isn't open to debate, it is proven. Trump doesn't get to change the meaning of the concept at will - he has shared many way out opinions that are far from fact all while claiming the media is "fake news." Trump is not, in fact, the arbiter of what is true and not.

Making a false claim that defies established studies is refuting a "fact" - Twitter didn't delete the post, or edit it, they just added a link to a study showing Trump's claim goes against the research.

If twitter says the sky is green, does that make it a fact?

[sunsean]

Because no one has ever misrepresented "Facts" by reading a study how they want....i mean....this is a bodybuliding forum right? So a fundamental understanding of that concept and the problem associated with Twitter deciding what's fact shouldnt be hard to grasp.

So your suggestion regarding truth and fact is to ignore the objective science-based research and listen to Trump and other subjective opinions. No thanks Jeff.

[sunsean]

If twitter says the sky is green, does that make it a fact?

No, because of many reasons. First, Twitter, like Trump - is not the arbiter of truth. Twitter didn't come out and say "Trump is lying" they linked to a 3rd party study showing research on the subject. If Twitter linked to a study from the scientific community showing the sky was green, yeah I'd look into that. Oh - but you know why this is hypothetical and that study will never be linked? Because the sky isn't green and Twitter wouldn't link to a study claiming something that is clearly false.

Also there is collective truth - who knows what color the sky is? Maybe I see blue and the other guy sees green? But when you have millions of people saying it's blue, then it's pretty safe to assume it's blue.

Can't believe I wrote so much to respond to such a silly premise/argument.

[twovalvekid]

So your suggestion regarding truth and fact is to ignore the objective science-based research and listen to Trump and other subjective opinions. No thanks Jeff.

No. Thats not what im saying at all. If you want to be obtuse about it and use one instance as an example that's your prerogative.

The point is i doubt Twitter/youtube/********/etc. will be unbiased. Because their track record says otherwise. Therefore, personally, i do not trust them to be able to provide real "objective science-based research" on a regular basis.

[BadMonkeyFunker]

He never wants to be disputed. Censor means -delete his tweets or ban him. They're not doing that. Put a disclaimer next to his "disputed tweets" IS NOT CENSOR.

He just doesnt want anyone to dispute or challenge him. Look at his cabinet, he has 86% turnover. Anyone who challenges him - GONE!

terrible leadership in a democratic republic with checks and balances. Great for private companies with no board or public shares and authoritarian dictatorships.

He never had a board or public offerings/shareholders in any of his businesses. It was a terrible idea to let him run a government.

[Retoaded]

He never wants to be disputed. Censor means -delete his tweets or ban him. They're not doing that. Put a disclaimer next to his "disputed tweets" IS NOT CENSOR.

He just doesnt want anyone to dispute or challenge him. Look at his cabinet, he has 86% turnover. Anyone who challenges him - GONE!

terrible leadership in a democratic republic with checks and balances. Great for private companies with no board or public shares and authoritarian dictatorships.

He never had a board or public offerings/shareholders in any of his businesses. It was a terrible idea to let him run a government.

you forgot a LMFAO.

Investigated by his own intelligence community on sham charges for 3 years and mocked by the media all day every day. Trump has GOT to be the worst dictator in history.

[twovalvekid]

he never wants to be disputed. Censor means -delete his tweets or ban him. They're not doing that. Put a disclaimer next to his "disputed tweets" is not censor.

He just doesnt want anyone to dispute or challenge him. Look at his cabinet, he has 86% turnover. Anyone who challenges him - gone!

Terrible leadership in a democratic republic with checks and balances. Great for private companies with no board or public shares and authoritarian dictatorships.

He never had a board or public offerings/shareholders in any of his businesses. It was a terrible idea to let him run a government.

lmao!

[AlwaysFocus]

If you dont like it, become President and change it.

[jimmyjabbar]

No. Thats not what im saying at all. If you want to be obtuse about it and use one instance as an example that's your prerogative.

The point is i doubt Twitter/youtube/********/etc. will be unbiased. Because their track record says otherwise. Therefore, personally, i do not trust them to be able to provide real "objective science-based research" on a regular basis.

perhaps. But Twitter may feel they have a responsibility to not allow complete falsehoods to spread on their platform, especially from the POTUS. I'm actually not sure whats right or wrong here when it comes to Twitters actions. Trump is still a tard for trying to go to war with them cause they fact checked him, lmao.

[AlwaysFocus]

He never wants to be disputed. Censor means -delete his tweets or ban him. They're not doing that. Put a disclaimer next to his "disputed tweets" IS NOT CENSOR.

He just doesnt want anyone to dispute or challenge him. Look at his cabinet, he has 86% turnover. Anyone who challenges him - GONE!

terrible leadership in a democratic republic with checks and balances. Great for private companies with no board or public shares and authoritarian dictatorships.

He never had a board or public offerings/shareholders in any of his businesses. It was a terrible idea to let him run a government.

If you dont like it, become President and change it.

[z4v4]

If you dont like it, become President and change it.

If you dont like it, become President and change it.

Going full potato ITT.

[BadMonkeyFunker]

you forgot a LMFAO.

Investigated by his own intelligence community on sham charges for 3 years and mocked by the media all day every day. Trump has GOT to be the worst dictator in history.

and he was found guilty extorting a foreign government for political gain. The only reason he's still in power is becasue he finally replaced all the "enemies" with his own people. Just like a dictatorship.

90% of the GOP hate the guy but cant say a word against him. From mitch to graham to cruz - just look what hey were saying before trump was a thing. He's running the government like a thug, mobster. asking for loyalty.

Now this was his first term. Give him another one and see how far he goes..

yeah no thanks!

[AlwaysFocus]

Going full potato ITT.

If you dont like it, become President and change it.

[twovalvekid]

perhaps. But Twitter may feel they have a responsibility to not allow complete falsehoods to spread on their platform, especially from the POTUS. I'm actually not sure whats right or wrong here when it comes to Twitters actions. Trump is still a tard for trying to go to war with them cause they fact checked him, lmao.

Yeah, definitely can see the principle behind it. It's their execution that worries me. it starts on twitter, then goes elsewhere, and things get even more muddy.

People have to not think Trump, they have to think after Trump. So what happens when there is a different president, with different beliefs, policy, and agenda, then let's say Twitter (or any other social media company) gets bought out/moved and the bias shifts to the other side of the aisle? I bet you would have the same groups of people now on anti-trump train, or those saying "get your own platform" (which has literally been stated by some on this forum) suddenly not ok with it and questioning "facts."

If you dont like it, become President and change it.

Or actually discuss the issues at hand or in the thread, and not just sit there and poke or make comments like a child. Thread after thread after thread.

[AlwaysFocus]

Yeah, definitely can see the principle behind it. It's their execution that worries me. it starts on twitter, then goes elsewhere, and things get even more muddy.

People have to not think Trump, they have to think after Trump. So what happens when there is a different president, with different beliefs, policy, and agenda, then let's say Twitter (or any other social media company) gets bought out/moved and the bias shifts to the other side of the aisle? I bet you would have the same groups of people now on anti-trump train, or those saying "get your own platform" (which has literally been stated by some on this forum) suddenly not ok with it and questioning "facts."



Or actually discuss the issues at hand or in the thread, and not just sit there and poke or make comments like a child. Thread after thread after thread.

if you look at the comment above mine youd see the threads already lost

[z4v4]

Or actually discuss the issues at hand or in the thread, and not just sit there and poke or make comments like a child. Thread after thread after thread.

I do. You just don't like getting eviscerated, so you call it poking and childish. That's all you do, son - ad hominem attacks.

[ElrondHubbard]

Sure it is.

If you say the sky is blue, but I want people to think it is green, I can "fact check" you and say you're wrong.

I suspect you don't really know what you're talking about, but I haven't bothered to fact check it yet.

[ElrondHubbard]

If a "fact-checker" has an agenda, or a bias, if there is something controversial they disagree with they'll label it as untrue, but if there is something they agree with they'll label it true. That's the threat. They need to decide whether they're a platform or a content producer.

I work in product liability law. In most states there is a middleman/distributor defense. If they buy a product from a manufacturer, resell it, then someone gets hurt, they can't be held liable UNLESS they modify the product first. These platforms are modifying speech before it reaches the end user. That should remove their liability shield.

Fact checking is not modifying speech. And fact checking is not simply saying something is wrong because you don't agree with it. You keep leaving out that little step that involves...


Checking.

[ElrondHubbard]

If twitter says the sky is green, does that make it a fact?

I dunno, have you checked it?

[twovalvekid]

Fact checking is not modifying speech. And fact checking is not simply saying something is wrong because you don't agree with it. You keep leaving out that little step that involves...


Checking.

Youre missing the point he and others are trying to make. Youre assuming, in this case, Twitter's intentions are "pure," per say, and they wont be misrepresenting anything or trying to push a narrative.

I do. You just don't like getting eviscerated, so you call it poking and childish. That's all you do, son - ad hominem attacks.

Interesting perspective considering your posts ITT alone. Considering this is your very first post ITT that isnt a meme.

Order does exactly zero. Just something for the cult to suck on. Enjoy!

But go ahead and keep crying about getting attacked. When you start posting without snide remarks, pot shots against trump, and actually start discussing you actual opinion, i bet you get a generally overall better experience and dont get "eviscerated."