I'll just chime in that maybe your form isn't fixed like you think it is. Have you considered taking some videos and uploading to the exercise forum? If you're form is between sub par-dogchit it could explain some of the lack of progress. Like mentioned before, at your level, even in a deficit you should be able to add weight and progress.
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Thread: 24 hour fast two days a week?
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07-16-2020, 07:17 AM #91Bench: 365
Squat: 495
Deadlift: 535
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07-16-2020, 09:33 AM #92
this is huge my lifts went up 40-30 lbs with just fixing forum working with a powerlifting team were I learned all uspa rules and tips to improve my form and assisted lifts that lead to several uspa golds and I bet out the competition by 40 lbs on dl
Op I can post my powerlifting routine if you might actually do it. You need one hour at least 5 days a week to do it, 90 minutes is actually better
Also, your lifts are very low I lift quite a bit moreSuperHercules crew
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07-16-2020, 09:44 AM #93
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One thing I'd also note on this tho: he may experience a temporary DROP in strength if he wasn't benching to pause on the chest or squatting to proper depth...
People who do half-squats, or stop bar on benching 3-4 inches above their chest, or bounce the weight on benching, often times regress when they fix form due to higher range of motion, but soon gain more strength because they're finally fully engaging the muscles."When I die, I hope it's early in the morning so I don't have to go to work that day for no reason"
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07-16-2020, 10:10 AM #95
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saaaaaame here.
Right now I actually only do box squats, and I used to be squatting 205x5x5 for my regular squat, but when I switched to the box (12" box, so below parallel for me)... I STARTED at 135x5x5...
In the last 2 months I've only now gotten to 165x5... it's crazy hard"When I die, I hope it's early in the morning so I don't have to go to work that day for no reason"
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07-16-2020, 10:46 AM #96
Iโll do this once I figure out how to edit my face out of the videos. Is there an easy way to do it on my iPhone?
I bought a tripod 1.5 months ago and I video 90% of my sets. It was amazing how chitty my form was.
It helped me fix my rotator cuff issues (was keeping bar over face on top position lol) and squat. Also OHP grip width. But I am probably still off.
So any tips on how to edit face out? Donโt want the internet to burn with my face and poverty lifts out there
Nice!! Pls share.
My goal is mostly bodybuilding however Iโd love to look at your routine. Maybe Iโll get inspired
I DO NOT PAUSE at the bottom on my bench. Am I supposed to?
On bench, I am sure I stretch my arms all the way up on bench and touch my chest lightly on the bottom just below the nipple line and donโt bounce it off there
I do squat below parallel. I was leaning about 6 inches forward out of the hole. That I fixed my videoing myself. It was not due to ankle mobility - it was due to my torso length I guess and I was not sitting far back enough maybe. I do think I kinda bounce back out the bottom. Is that cheating?Last edited by TryingBB; 07-16-2020 at 10:52 AM.
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07-16-2020, 11:12 AM #97
Yea definitely need to see some videos. If there is a way, I don't know it but someone more tech savvy make chime in. When you extend at the top make sure you aren't losing your arch and keep your scap pinned down and back. Many people protract their scapula thinking it necessary for full ROM when all it will do is mess up your shoulders and get you out of position the rest of your set.
Bouncing out of the hole in your squat is going to require a video. It can be, and is, done by powerlifters to take advantage of the stretch reflex(and there's no rule stating they need to spend X amount of time down there) but newer people tend to completely mess up their brace and form when doing it. This could create issues in the rest of the set and/or bugger your back.Bench: 365
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07-16-2020, 12:51 PM #98
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There should be a very subtle pause as the bottom, preferably. It doesn't need to be like 2 full seconds but it needs to be a controlled touch to the chest before pushing back up.
You do not need to pause during squats... those are 'pause squats' and aren't the same thing."When I die, I hope it's early in the morning so I don't have to go to work that day for no reason"
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07-16-2020, 02:21 PM #101
I lift for myself. My girl is not liking me being this low a weight actually. She keeps telling me how it was better before I lost all this weight haha...Iโve always never liked my moobs and jiggly stomach. So couple years after I quit smoking i thought to myself I should give my dream of a nicer physique a go finally.
So yea I actually have to push through this weightloss cuz in the back of my mind Iโm just listening to myself and continuing this weightloss/fatloss in hopes for more muscle gains in the future. I am myself hating this skinnyFat chitty Physique but looking at pics Iโve improved quite a bit - if I was muscular fat, I wouldโve stopped loosing weight actually and just concentrated on gaining more muscle. My last slow bulk ended in me gaining more fat than Iโd like - due to form and not resetting on fierce 5 (I would fail at 4 reps deadlift e.g. and I would keep grinding 4 reps for a couple weeks hoping Iโd get stronger where in all actuality I shouldโve just reset and went back up in weight).
Hopefully this time around itโll be better results cuz Iโll be lower bodyfat when I start my bulk and I know a lot more thx to yโall and the forum and the internet And oh yea, my darned mistakes!
P.s. as much as I like girls, they can go suck it as far as Iโm concerned. Ainโt lookin for a new one...**^^ gone ^^**
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07-16-2020, 02:37 PM #103
I went from 164lbs to 171lbs in 4 months with about a month at maintenance...i think thatโs slow enough a bulk but I think I still gained a lot of fat. Maybe even mostly fat.
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07-16-2020, 02:59 PM #104
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07-16-2020, 04:17 PM #106
Understood. Thatโs what I was trying to do but Fierce 5 was killing me. I was able to add weekly to my lifts for a few weeks and then bam it just stopped. I didnโt want to eat more than 200 calories surplus so I kept grinding trying to get that 5lbs and 10lbs gain.
Lots of people on the forum says they keep adding 5lbs on upper body and 10lbs on lower body lifts for months months but that didnโt happen for me.
I hope this time around on AllPro I can get some gains on the bar. For now maintaining lifts and cutting weight/fat
One more cycle of 500 deficit 1lb per week and then Iโm gonna Reasses and see what to do.
Pathetic feeling having such poverty lifts and a teenager skinny fat body appearing below all this fat. hah
Itโs amazing how it didnโt even feel too bad when I was 200lbs minus the lower back aches within 10 seconds of bending over to wash face in the sink. That used to suck and made me feel waaay older than I really amLast edited by TryingBB; 07-16-2020 at 04:33 PM.
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07-16-2020, 04:55 PM #108
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You don't want to be carrying too much fat while you're gaining... you can slow down progress, too, because you become less insulin sensitive, your cardio health declines, and you simply do not respond/recover as well.
It is best to keep bodyfat under 20% regardless of cut/bulk/maintain."When I die, I hope it's early in the morning so I don't have to go to work that day for no reason"
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07-16-2020, 05:02 PM #109
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07-16-2020, 06:13 PM #110
I'm going to assume form is an issue or at least part of the issue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEy5WFr-CDA
Chad Wesley Smith has the 5 pillars of squats, deadlifts(sumo and conventional), and bench press. Check em out.Bench: 365
Squat: 495
Deadlift: 535
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07-16-2020, 06:20 PM #111
Could you elaborate on your work outs arent doing you any favors?
I am myself looking for answers. My lifts were going up and then they stopped at the following weights:
Bench: 135lbs x 5
Squat: measly 115 x 5
Deadlift: 215 x 5
Deadlift: had to reset twice at 185, then once at 200, 205 and 215. Was loosing grip at 215, was tore up and I switched from Fierce 5 to allpro
I reset bench about 3 times and got stuck at 135lbs (form issue identified - hopefully will go up next time I try to pass it).
I reset squat and same issue (but this was a form issue. Will know next time around I try to pass this weight)**^^ gone ^^**
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07-16-2020, 06:48 PM #112
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07-16-2020, 07:46 PM #116
I noted that post and continuing my fatloss to be better positioned for muscle gains.
Noted about the pause. I do not pause and I also do not bounce the weight. I slow the bar down as I approach the chest, touch lightly and then press up. Not sure if Iโll be able to gain strength during my cut however I am aware of progressive overload and will push for more weight on the bar**^^ gone ^^**
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07-16-2020, 07:48 PM #117
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07-16-2020, 09:28 PM #118
you are very unlikely to gain strength much at all while losing fat.
Your lifts regardless should be much higher with what weight you are at. You do not have to change your diet at all for lifts to go up or to gain muscle.
My husband doesnโt work out at all and is heavier with a higher BMI and when he tries to teach his boys to lift on my power rack he can squat 200 easy for reps, bench 160ish for reps and dl 250. Which really he could massively improve on but again he doesnโt lift, his form is pretty bad and he doesnโt want to learn so I just let him be. That said your routine and intensity must be off. My best guess is youโre not pushing yourself hard enough in your routine to cause a release of lactic acid where fibers tear and build back stronger/bigger.
Are you sore after any of your workouts or fatigued? Your lifts are so low even with crap form they should be higherSuperHercules crew
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07-16-2020, 09:56 PM #119
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07-16-2020, 09:57 PM #120
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Not to mention, poor squat form is usually due to compensating for muscle weaknesses like buckling knees or using excessive back flexing to force the weight up... if anything that usually causes false GAINS in strength because youโd be recruiting muscles you shouldnโt be... so the lack of progress I imagine makes even less sense.
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