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02-13-2018, 08:21 AM #93
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Suspect defense? Kobe? The fukc? Kobe would literally defend ANYONE and not give a fukc about it. Granted he didn't have to necessarily guard the 4 or 5 positions, if he did, he treated them like anyone else and gave max effort. Jordan had good defense, but he had Brown, Longley, Harper, Pippen and Rodman to handle most of the defensive work while he focused primarily on scoring.
Kobe WAS the best defender on his team.
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02-13-2018, 11:17 AM #95
Go watch game 5 again and try telling me the series was rigged for LA. That was the worst officiated game I've ever seen and it was almost entirely favoring Sacramento.
The kings shot like twice the FTs that the Lakers did in that series, and we had fukking Shaq.
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02-13-2018, 02:40 PM #100
As someone old enough to have seen the 87 Lakers as a kid and every other team since all the hype around the 01 Lakers is too much. We are all victims of our prime coming of ages. The majority of you seem to miss context amd nuance to these type of discussions. I am of the belief the Bulls would win against all of those based on Tommys rule aet of 80s-90s.
Rodman would give Shaq more problems than Dikembe bc Rodmans mental craziness would frustrate Shaq. Pippen would be able to guard Kobe to slow him a little. Kobe would be too worn and at that point of his career too inexperienced to guard the closest to prime Jordan we've ever seen.
I've long been of the opinion we never saw Jordan's peak due to his first retirement.
My rankings would be: Bulls, 87 Lakers then 01 Lakers (bc of rule period). I can see the 01 Lakers beating the 87 team if Shaq was fed early to put Kareem in foul trouble. I do believe Shaq is a tid bit overrated bc his power game became a slow game as he got fat. From centers I've seen and/or studied play, Olajuwon and Kareem at their best were better than Shaq.Last edited by Garnett; 02-13-2018 at 02:45 PM.
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02-13-2018, 02:52 PM #101
Nice post.
That's exact same list I posted on page 2 but I added 2012 Heat as 4th team. I could see Kareem giving Shaq trouble even though he was not as powerful down low, Kareem possessed a lot of intangibles. Shaq's free throw shooting hinders him and it caused one sided Finals against the Rockets.
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02-13-2018, 03:19 PM #103
2017 warriors getting very little love ITT and i'm a warriors hater. average scoring margin over an entire season of 12 points (+16 at home, +8 on the road which is unreal). the NBA literally wasn't ready for that team. they are cruising through this regular season and still have a higher scoring margin than any of lebron's heat teams (higher than ANY of lebron's teams actually, other than his 09 cleveland team)
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02-13-2018, 03:37 PM #104
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02-13-2018, 05:17 PM #106
No, Shaq beat out an older Rodman in overall numbers but it wasn't obliteration in any sense. This series was a blowout. Rodman averaged 15 rbs per game and Shaq 10. If you catch one of the NBA reflection series you'll see Shaq being interviewed about how easy his team was swept. If you watched it live like I did then you'd remember it.
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02-14-2018, 12:57 AM #107
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02-14-2018, 01:35 AM #108
Everyone caught up in their memories and opinions - stats say the 01 Lakers had the toughest schedule and were the strongest team, only second to the 95 Rockets. The difference being, the 01 Lakers were also dominant as fuk, putting up their 15-1 playoff record.
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02-14-2018, 01:55 AM #109
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02-14-2018, 02:34 AM #110
40 year old Malone, 35 year old Payton and Shaq leaving his prime. Malones bum knees meant we played a guy called Medvedenko (ever heard of him? he warmed our bench for a few years, never meant to play significant minutes) ... in the NBA Finals. Shaq and Kobe already had a bad relationship and Kobe had off-court distractions in the case built on rape allegations.
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02-14-2018, 06:56 AM #111
01 Shaq was in his prime but wouldn't dominate Rodman due to Rodman having a higher bball IQ over Shaq by miles. Shaq would win the matchup no doubt but Rodmans craftiness of positioning, getting into Shaqs head mentally (this would happen), and his superior rebounding due to better ability reading balls off the rim, would reduce (to an extent) Shaqs interior presence off the ball. That gives Pippen and Jordan less need to double down making a then inexperienced Kobe facing a far superior defensive wing set.
Everyone should go back to watching prime Rodman with the Pistons back in the day and pay attention to how he used his body against bigger guys. With 80s rules, Shaq isn't going to get as many calls as he did back in 01 against Dikembe.Gritt Tuff
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