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    THat's not a compelling argument at all... what people do in times of desperation isn't necessarily what they do when seeking optimal health... they're trying not to die... they're not thinking about 'thriving' and health
    We aren't assessing the behavior, we are assessing the nutrition they had available and its effects on thriving. What they thought has no bearing on the conversation.
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    We aren't assessing the behavior, we are assessing the nutrition they had available and its effects on thriving. What they thought has no bearing on the conversation.
    That isn't an effect on 'thriving'

    not dying =/= thriving....

    They probably ate bugs and random plants too... it doesn't mean there's something special about those items either...
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    “This bodybuilder used to do this” is pretty faulty reasoning to do something now…

    Ronnie Coleman literally said he was ‘negative bodyfat %’

    Being huge =/= being smart
    True, but my impression is that reliance on red meat is very common if not almost universal among top bodybuilders. Phil Heath is another example:

    «As for the source of his protein, Phil favors red meat, especially steak. ““I eat a lot more red meat in the off-season than I do precontest,”” he says. ““I love red meat because it helps me put on weight. I don’’t know if it’’s the creatine, B vitamins or zinc, but red meat helps me grow. My body responds really well to it.””»
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    Originally Posted by EiFit91 View Post
    True, but my impression is that reliance on red meat is very common if not almost universal among top bodybuilders. Phil Heath is another example:

    «As for the source of his protein, Phil favors red meat, especially steak. ““I eat a lot more red meat in the off-season than I do precontest,”” he says. ““I love red meat because it helps me put on weight. I don’’t know if it’’s the creatine, B vitamins or zinc, but red meat helps me grow. My body responds really well to it.””»
    You're quoting someone who is big because of genetics and drugs...

    Pro bodybuilders don't even know why they do what they do 99% of the time... believe me, he'd be just the same with or without red meat.

    They also believe that fish 'thins the skin', that dairy makes you 'puffy', and so on... and so on...

    I don't think relying on someone whose body is driven by genetics and would be in the .0001% with or without any kind of training knowledge is a good idea for this subject. They would be amazing no matter what they did.

    None of those nutrients you mentioned are unique to red meat... so again, it's not the fact that it's red meat. The name of a food doesn't make it special.

    Not to mention, if bodybuilders mainly eat more red meat in the off-seasion, why would it be superior? It's higher in CALORIES, yeah, but that doesn't make it better in any other context.

    Most of the time when they start cutting, they're trying to maintain mass as much as possible, so you'd think that logically they'd choose the best foods especially during THAT period when energy is scarce... and yet they switch to egg whites, chicken, fish... etc.

    I'm not saying red meat is 'bad'... but let's not get into the kind of tribalism we also see in KETO/Carnivore crowds where people assign special value to foods just because they like them.

    If you like red meat, cool, eat it... it doesn't have to be magical for you to like it.
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    notice a pattern here, a greater number of successful bodybuilders (and professional athletes) use red meat as their main protein source. yes you do get your occasional pescatarian or vegan but in the end, there is something special about red meat. results are everything.
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    Originally Posted by ManwittaPlan View Post
    notice a pattern here, a greater number of successful bodybuilders (and professional athletes) use red meat as their main protein source.
    No, they don't.

    I would argue that the #1 source you'll ALWAYS see is chicken.

    Followed probably by eggs/egg whites...

    Then maybe red meat.
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    yes you are right

    but at the end, results are everything and red meat wins

    it's science
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    Originally Posted by ManwittaPlan View Post
    yes you are right

    but at the end, results are everything and red meat wins

    it's science
    Yup

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    I knew a chinese guy whose parents owned a chinese restaurant. He got buffer than me eating almost every meal at his parents restaurant. Obviously, chinese food has something special in it.
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    I knew a chinese guy whose parents owned a chinese restaurant. He got buffer than me eating almost every meal at his parents restaurant. Obviously, chinese food has something special in it.
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    I knew a chinese guy whose parents owned a chinese restaurant. He got buffer than me eating almost every meal at his parents restaurant. Obviously, chinese food has something special in it.
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    I knew a dude in high school who barely studied but got straight A’s and a 1500+ SAT score

    This is proof that not studying will help in getting better grades and test scores
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    I knew a dude in high school who barely studied but got straight A’s and a 1500+ SAT score

    This is proof that not studying will help in getting better grades and test scores
    kids are just like adults, there's a few winners and a whole lotta of losers

    it's easy to figure out where he ranked on the food chain
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    I knew a dude in high school who barely studied but got straight A’s and a 1500+ SAT score
    I didn't study for the ACT and got a 31. I barely studied for classes and got A's and B's. I barely studied in college and got a D my first semester in a class. Then I started studying.
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    Chicken is also cheaper and easier to use in a caloric deficit diet where you’re macros are super tight.

    My earlier point was simply that the benefits of red meat are such that you can eat it once a week and it’s still an advantage. It was not to say that one should consume it every day.

    Same with fish, except there might even be some evidence that suggests fish ED is possibly
    Better in terms of health over many other forms of protein.

    This wasn’t meant to be an absolute across the board. Anyone that claims that would be mistaken, IMO.
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    Chicken is also cheaper
    It takes just under 8 weeks from when a chicken hatches to where it is taken for processing into food. I had about 150,000 reasons to study the economics of building a chicken processing facility. The most important thing is a reliable water supply.
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    It takes just under 8 weeks from when a chicken hatches to where it is taken for processing into food. I had about 150,000 reasons to study the economics of building a chicken processing facility. The most important thing is a reliable water supply.
    The staple of every homestead too; eat harmful bugs, lay eggs, easy care, and endless meat.
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    The staple of every homestead too; eat harmful bugs, lay eggs, easy care, and endless meat.
    Sadly, they come with big issues:

    Noisy roosters (if you have them)

    They TRASH your yard (if you let them roam)

    They shyt everywhere...

    They can be very very noisy
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    this thread is great, like all foods known for building slabs of muscle and increasing testosterone it gets attention especially from the closet fans of red meat.

    been on these forums for about 7 months and have never seen a yogurt or granola thread go past a few replies without people falling asleep or more commonly not even give it a second glance.

    think i'll celebrate by having a drink....wonder what kind of drink would be worthy in honor of this thread
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    think i'll celebrate by having a drink....wonder what kind of drink would be worthy in honor of this thread
    Beefamato bloody mary. It's crazy high on sodium though.
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    Originally Posted by paulinkansas View Post
    Beefamato bloody mary. It's crazy high on sodium though.
    my god i haven't heard about that drink in years, never tried one though but i remember the old school guys telling me it was the cure to a hangover!
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    Originally Posted by ManwittaPlan View Post
    my god i haven't heard about that drink in years
    Well, this thread is about red meat. Beefamato is the only commercially available beverage I know of that contains beef.
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    don't trust people that don't eat red meat
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    don't trust people that don't eat red meat
    I know this gal named Mary Mo. She's a vegetarian. She don't eat meat but she sure likes the bone.
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    Originally Posted by GayCumLord View Post
    don't trust people that don't eat red meat
    I mean if a GayCumLord says it… pretty much a closed case
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    Originally Posted by ManwittaPlan View Post
    this thread is great, like all foods known for building slabs of muscle and increasing testosterone it gets attention especially from the closet fans of red meat.

    been on these forums for about 7 months and have never seen a yogurt or granola thread go past a few replies without people falling asleep or more commonly not even give it a second glance.

    think i'll celebrate by having a drink....wonder what kind of drink would be worthy in honor of this thread
    I celebrated the thread with a nice burger and some champagne!
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    Originally Posted by EiFit91 View Post
    I celebrated the thread with a nice burger and some champagne!
    Miller high life?
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    Sadly, they come with big issues:

    Noisy roosters (if you have them)

    They TRASH your yard (if you let them roam)

    They shyt everywhere...

    They can be very very noisy
    Do you own chickens/hens?
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    Originally Posted by EiFit91 View Post
    Do you own chickens/hens?
    My ex girlfriend did

    That fukking rooster woke me up every morning, chased the hens around, was a complete dick

    The hens would tear up the yard with their claws, etc, and shyt all over the place

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