Are vaxcels ever gonna admit they were grifted?

[John L]

Thsts what I mean, they WANT everyone to forget how they acted during all this. I will never forget or forgive those who believed I should have lost my job for refusing to get the jab. Who believed the unvaccinated should live like second ass citizens.

Agreed.

I begrudgingly got the vaccine because I needed to travel overseas to visit my mother in law, who is in very bad shape. We had no idea what the EU travel restrictions were going to be like, and needed to have all our ducks in a row to make sure we were good to go visit asap. Was very happy to be able to visit her, but I do have some remorse over having to get the vaccine. I am in good health and did not need it.

You are right, we should absolutely not forget the ridiculous push for vaccine mandates and how peoples livelihoods were threatened and destroyed over it. Unfortunately Americans have the memory of goldfish and I'm afraid that it's out of sight and mind for many people already. It's also mindblowing how many people supported it in the first place

[Procta]

why/how did this happen to me

https://twitter.com/zbpipe/status/1576542412742488064

[Bushmaster]

why/how did this happen to me

https://twitter.com/zbpipe/status/1576542412742488064

Sounds like she didn't trust the science hard enough.

[jtaylor2010]

Based on this thread the answer seems to be a resounding now.



It looks like many have realized that they don’t need the “boosters”, but they won’t admit they made a mistake getting the initial injections. And then you have the really hardcore people who are still lining up for their quarterly cold injections that were tested on less than 10 mice before being rolled out to the masses.

[Procta]

[Bushmaster]

Wait, what???

I’ve never said the scientific community was right on everything in an absolute sense. No one on earth believes that. In. I’d give the CDC a B- on their pandemic response. (Not that the CDC necessarily represents the sci community hindsight many things should have been done differently).

CDC doesn't represent the scientific community... During a global black blague pandemic of doom. Center for DISEASE Control... Global infectious VIRUS.

Oh... my bad. Guess that would fall under the purview of NASA and not the CDC.

I swear, you Ronaholics just have the best science!

[nkiritsis13]

Your “victory lap” exists in an echo chamber of scientifically illiterate miscers, not in reality. You have constructed a fictional reality in your head to cope. As has been pointed out repeatedly, vaccine skeptics have been wrong on nearly every aspect of this pandemic.

There will never come a day when health experts, past, current, or future, conclude that the vaccines were a bad idea. Ever. Your decision to not vaccinate will never be vindicated in the real world. The vaccines will be remembered as a historically great medical achievement that saved millions of lives. History text books will devote a few paragraphs to ridicule the anti C19 vax movements.

History books that decide to exclude the rushed releases, the agreements made with governments to escape legal liability, the constantly shifting goal posts because of "surprise" developments that the makers didn't even know about, the recalls, the coercion against private citizens, the hypocritical and contradictory stance against bodily autonomy by the left, the artificially inflated infection numbers as admitted by Fauci himself, and the need to literally change the definition of the word "vaccine" to even count these are not history books, they're propaganda for sanctimonious narcissists who can't bear admitting that they were wrong.

See post #52 bro...

https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...post1668806563

Where was your "science" when certain political groups in 2020 got a complete Rona hall pass?



Then fast forward a couple of months to the motorcycle rally in South Dakota, and...

Results Are In: Sturgis Motorcycle Rally Was A COVID 'Super Spreader' Costing Billions

https://jalopnik.com/results-are-in-...-su-1844982613

>Deadliest modern pandemic imaginable
>Lining the streets with a bunch of mouth-breathing morons over a dead drug addict is perfectly safe



>A bunch of people right of Lenin not standing 5 feet away from one another is worse than the black plague

[illriginalized]

I almost feel bad for them.

The media created the illusion of world wide panic.
The media, politicians, even entertainers lying about the vaccine and how it will prevent catching and spreading COVID.
We had a, "scientist" (a fraud) demanding to, "trust the science".
Anyone talking even logically against said science became a pariah on social media.
Anything discrediting the origins of COVID and the vaccine was getting filtered not only by Google but also ********.
To put on the pressure even further, employers were threatening (empty threats) their employees to get vaccinated, or else.
Til this day, people looking for work, in most parts of the U.S. require proof of vaccination.

This is just off the top of my head, but it's no wonder so many people decided to get vaccinated and are now mud bloods with absolutely NO idea what the future entails with that fkin poison coursing through their veins. For all we know, these people are walking around with a precursor to a biological weapon.

They're mud bloods for life. Their DNA more than likely altered and nothing they can do about it.

[Procta]

US FDA posting this chit today

lmao


https://twitter.com/US_FDA/status/1576927056969048064

[isingmodel]

Your “victory lap” exists in an echo chamber of scientifically illiterate miscers, not in reality. You have constructed a fictional reality in your head to cope. As has been pointed out repeatedly, vaccine skeptics have been wrong on nearly every aspect of this pandemic.

There will never come a day when health experts, past, current, or future, conclude that the vaccines were a bad idea. Ever. Your decision to not vaccinate will never be vindicated in the real world. The vaccines will be remembered as a historically great medical achievement that saved millions of lives. History text books will devote a few paragraphs to ridicule the anti C19 vax movements.

this /thread

[tunejunkie]

this /thread

Nah

[fishnbrah]

US FDA posting this chit today

lmao


]

very hip.

[Dave22reborn]

why/how did this happen to me

https://twitter.com/zbpipe/status/1576542412742488064

That's what I mean, imagine people living their life like that, they then get it, and they have a mental breakdown.

To me, it seemed that those that took every precaution in the book, were the ones who got it not just once, but twice.

[Dave22reborn]

this /thread

People like you will never admit that you were on the wrong side of history when it came to all of this.

Hell, you saw nothing wrong with what Australia did. Or the city of Ho Chi Mingh, being surrounded by the military and barb wire. It was all for the "Greater Good."

[Dave22reborn]

I almost feel bad for them.

The media created the illusion of world wide panic.
The media, politicians, even entertainers lying about the vaccine and how it will prevent catching and spreading COVID.
We had a, "scientist" (a fraud) demanding to, "trust the science".
Anyone talking even logically against said science became a pariah on social media.
Anything discrediting the origins of COVID and the vaccine was getting filtered not only by Google but also ********.
To put on the pressure even further, employers were threatening (empty threats) their employees to get vaccinated, or else.
Til this day, people looking for work, in most parts of the U.S. require proof of vaccination.

This is just off the top of my head, but it's no wonder so many people decided to get vaccinated and are now mud bloods with absolutely NO idea what the future entails with that fkin poison coursing through their veins. For all we know, these people are walking around with a precursor to a biological weapon.

They're mud bloods for life. Their DNA more than likely altered and nothing they can do about it.

Remember when reporters would be wearing hazmat suits outdoors reporting the news? And the cameraman would just be wearing regular clothes?

Or when reporters would wear masks, when interviewing politicians, and as soon as the cameras stopped rolling, they took the mask off.

Or when Politicians would walk to the curtain without a mask, then put one on for some reason, before approaching the podium?

Or they told the peasants to have a ZOOM Thanksgiving/Christmas and every singe one of them then flew home for the holidays to be with not just their family, but their extended family and friends.

[NYPat]

Your “victory lap” exists in an echo chamber of scientifically illiterate miscers, not in reality. You have constructed a fictional reality in your head to cope. As has been pointed out repeatedly, vaccine skeptics have been wrong on nearly every aspect of this pandemic.

There will never come a day when health experts, past, current, or future, conclude that the vaccines were a bad idea. Ever. Your decision to not vaccinate will never be vindicated in the real world. The vaccines will be remembered as a historically great medical achievement that saved millions of lives. History text books will devote a few paragraphs to ridicule the anti C19 vax movements.

100% this. /thread

And if you look at the majority of posts on the last couple of pages they have no recourse other than to ask retarded questions like when should you get the second dose - 3 weeks or 8? As if that somehow proves the vaccines weren't effective. Or that protests somehow prove that covid was just a scam to make Pfizer and Moderna money. It doesn't matter how much "proof" you show these people. They arbitrarily dismiss actual proof as fake news, yet post idiotic memes, tweets, and questionable links. Hell, the vast majority of the time they just make chit up and don't provide a source at all. But now they claim they were right all along, and we were duped. Conned. Grifted. Trumpers... claiming others were conned and grifted. Let that sink in.. These are the same people who believe Trump actually won the 2020 election. They're 100% convinced Biden cheated, yet can't provide an ounce of proof. These are the same people who claim others are incapable of independent thought, and that MSM tells them what to think. They think just because they survived covid it's no big deal. The flu. That everyone who "died" from covid simply died with covid. They all "know" someone who died from myocarditis and instantly attribute it to the vaccine. Again with zero proof. They are absolutely convinced that their beliefs are correct, regardless of the facts. They prefer "alternative" facts. Just like QAnon people 100% believe they are right, so do anti-vaxxers. There's no discussion, no disagreements, just people who believe what they believe are correct and everyone else is not just wrong, they're sheep, incapable of critical thought. These people don't deserve responses other than calling them out for what they are.

Remember when reporters would be wearing hazmat suits outdoors reporting the news? And the cameraman would just be wearing regular clothes?

Or when reporters would wear masks, when interviewing politicians, and as soon as the cameras stopped rolling, they took the mask off.

Or when Politicians would walk to the curtain without a mask, then put one on for some reason, before approaching the podium?

Or they told the peasants to have a ZOOM Thanksgiving/Christmas and every singe one of them then flew home for the holidays to be with not just their family, but their extended family and friends.

Perfect example of the retarded questions I am referring to.

[Titansfan08]

US FDA posting this chit today

lmao


https://twitter.com/US_FDA/status/1576927056969048064

God damn, makes me want to finally cave and get vaxxed. That looks like fun!

[tunejunkie]

why/how did this happen to me

https://twitter.com/zbpipe/status/1576542412742488064

This is a perfect example of someone who fell for all of the lies I described in the OP lol.

Grift of the century

[Mountaineer92]

diabetic pat doesnt admit when she is wrong... she would rather rage and disappear off misc for a month again.


sad that we have to bear the brunt of her medicare bills... fat fk.

[John L]

why/how did this happen to me

https://twitter.com/zbpipe/status/1576542412742488064

"Thank you.I can’t even speak right now without tears.Our government is not protecting our citizens-health care is a mess.And people have just given up working together through this-we are so divided. It isn’t the world I envision. #kindness #equity #compassion #careforneighbours"

How are there really people like this lmao

[isingmodel]

People like you will never admit that you were on the wrong side of history when it came to all of this.

Hell, you saw nothing wrong with what Australia did. Or the city of Ho Chi Mingh, being surrounded by the military and barb wire. It was all for the "Greater Good."

Bizarre that you've shifted the conversation from vaccine efficacy to lockdowns/mandates in some Vietnamese city.

As Reliance pointed out, there will never be any point in time where anyone - public health experts, doctors, economists, general - anyone other than scientifically illiterate retards on a bodybuilding forum, broadly conclude that vaccines were a bad idea, harmful, a net negative, or generally not worth doing. This reality only exists in the minds of idiots on places like this, not anywhere out in the world.

[Bushmaster]

Bizarre that you've shifted the conversation from vaccine efficacy to lockdowns/mandates in some Vietnamese city.

As Reliance pointed out, there will never be any point in time where anyone - public health experts, doctors, economists, general - anyone other than scientifically illiterate retards on a bodybuilding forum, broadly conclude that vaccines were a bad idea, harmful, a net negative, or generally not worth doing. This reality only exists in the minds of idiots on places like this, not anywhere out in the world.

...

See post #52 bro...

https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...post1668806563

Where was your "science" when certain political groups in 2020 got a complete Rona hall pass?



Then fast forward a couple of months to the motorcycle rally in South Dakota, and...

Results Are In: Sturgis Motorcycle Rally Was A COVID 'Super Spreader' Costing Billions

https://jalopnik.com/results-are-in-...-su-1844982613

You fruits kill me with your constant queefing about "Teh Science!" Yet not a single one of you ever want to discuss why your virus seems so selective in who it infected lol.

So I'll ask again.. Where was your science during 2020's summer of love? Remember now, this was pre-vaccine right when covid was supposedly at its deadliest?

And also remember how before that it was a racist virus that was killing all the black people...

The Disproportional Impact of COVID-19 on African Americans
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7762908/

COVID-19 Is Crushing Black Communities
https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/researc...ying-attention

(HINT: A virus DGAF who it infects or why)

(Trust the science bro)

[jtaylor2010]

Bizarre that you've shifted the conversation from vaccine efficacy to lockdowns/mandates in some Vietnamese city.

As Reliance pointed out, there will never be any point in time where anyone - public health experts, doctors, economists, general - anyone other than scientifically illiterate retards on a bodybuilding forum, broadly conclude that vaccines were a bad idea, harmful, a net negative, or generally not worth doing. This reality only exists in the minds of idiots on places like this, not anywhere out in the world.

Everyone with an even moderate understanding of the mechanisms of vaccination since vaccines became a thing - “you shouldn’t roll out vaccines in the middle of a pandemic”.



Suddenly in 2020 - “vaccinate everyone in the middle of a pandemic for a type of virus we’ve never successfully made a vaccine for using a technology we’ve never successfully made a vaccine with”

[isingmodel]

...



You fruits kill me with your constant queefing about "Teh Science!" Yet not a single one of you ever want to discuss why your virus seems so selective in who it infected lol.

So I'll ask again.. Where was your science during 2020's summer of love? Remember now, this was pre-vaccine right when covid was supposedly at its deadliest?

And also remember how before that it was a racist virus that was killing all the black people...

The Disproportional Impact of COVID-19 on African Americans
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7762908/

COVID-19 Is Crushing Black Communities
https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/researc...ying-attention

(HINT: A virus DGAF who it infects or why)

(Trust the science bro)

If you want to discuss lockdowns/policy and social compliance, then go and start a thread about that. The question here is vaccine efficacy, to which I will redirect you to my previous post:

Bizarre that you've shifted the conversation from vaccine efficacy to lockdowns/mandates in some Vietnamese city.

As Reliance pointed out, there will never be any point in time where anyone - public health experts, doctors, economists, general - anyone other than scientifically illiterate retards on a bodybuilding forum, broadly conclude that vaccines were a bad idea, harmful, a net negative, or generally not worth doing. This reality only exists in the minds of idiots on places like this, not anywhere out in the world.

[Bushmaster]

If you want to discuss lockdowns/policy and social compliance, then go and start a thread about that. The question here is vaccine efficacy, to which I will redirect you to my previous post:

Its all related bro.. Covid --> Lockdowns ---> Masks ---> Peaceful Protests ---> Vaccines - all of it.

They are not separate topics Mr. Science, so answer please.

Why should anybody take the vaccine when we've already been told certain groups doing certain activities were immune to the Rona? How does a virus know how to skip them?

[tunejunkie]

Bizarre that you've shifted the conversation from vaccine efficacy to lockdowns/mandates in some Vietnamese city.

As Reliance pointed out, there will never be any point in time where anyone - public health experts, doctors, economists, general - anyone other than scientifically illiterate retards on a bodybuilding forum, broadly conclude that vaccines were a bad idea, harmful, a net negative, or generally not worth doing. This reality only exists in the minds of idiots on places like this, not anywhere out in the world.

???


You just named everyone paid by the government to say such a narrative lmaooooo

Doctors were literally paid by the government to tell you these things. They would lose their license if they didn’t recommend the vax to people.


Also you’re slow so let me break this down for you - no one is saying the vax was a bad idea. It’s good………for some… the ones that need it……

This is a pandemic of the old, fat, and unhealthy. If you’re in those categories you should have evaluated it and likely took it. For those who aren’t, the risk/reward just isn’t there. Young healthy people just aren’t effected by this virus. So for them to expose themselves on purpose to risks of myocarditis, blood clotting, fertility issues, Bell’s palsy, stroke, cardiac arrest, death, etc. (safe & effective amirite guise) just doesn’t make sense. - especially considering most of the population already had the virus, so there’s no sense in getting a vax for something you’ve already had. On top of the fact that the virus just gets weaker and weaker. Makes no sense to get it at all. All on top of the fact that the vaccine was never approved by the FDA(another grift told by muh science)

[isingmodel]

Everyone with an even moderate understanding of the mechanisms of vaccination since vaccines became a thing - “you shouldn’t roll out vaccines in the middle of a pandemic”.



Suddenly in 2020 - “vaccinate everyone in the middle of a pandemic for a type of virus we’ve never successfully made a vaccine for using a technology we’ve never successfully made a vaccine with”

???

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...-planning.html

This was first published in 2006:

At the onset of a pandemic, HHS will accelerate its ongoing work with industry to facilitate the production and distribution of antiviral drugs and pandemic vaccines.

We have also rapidly developed vaccines for use in the middle of pandemics in the past:

https://www.history.com/news/1957-fl...ccine-hilleman

Doctors and scientists first developed viable flu vaccines in the 1940s, so they were not starting from scratch when they went to work on the 1957 flu vaccine. Still, Hilleman bypassed regulatory agencies in his efforts to push the vaccine forward because he worried those agencies would slow the process down.

When the new flu strain hit the United States in September, just as Hilleman had predicted it would, the country was ready with a vaccine. The virus, dubbed the “Asian flu,” killed an estimated 70,000 to 116,000 Americans and one to four million people worldwide, but experts suggest it would have killed many more if not for the vaccine. Around the time Hilleman was born, the “Spanish flu” of 1918 to 1919 killed an estimated 675,000 Americans and 50 million people worldwide.

mRNA tech has also been around for some time and Pfizer/Moderna were building on a huge amount of existing research, and we also created traditional vaccines (eg. Astrazeneca, J+J) available for COVID which were also effective.

It's not just that you guys are uneducated and uninformed (that is the baseline expectation for conservatives), it's more that you actively try to ensure your opinions are the exact, diametric opposite of observable reality, every time.

[jtaylor2010]

???

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...-planning.html

This was first published in 2006:



We have also rapidly developed vaccines for use in the middle of pandemics in the past:

https://www.history.com/news/1957-fl...ccine-hilleman



mRNA tech has also been around for some time and Pfizer/Moderna were building on a huge amount of existing research, and we also created traditional vaccines (eg. Astrazeneca, J+J) available for COVID which were also effective.

It's not just that you guys are uneducated and uninformed (that is the baseline expectation for conservatives), it's more that you actively try to ensure your opinions are the exact, diametric opposite of observable reality, every time.

1.) I didn’t say we haven’t, I said we shouldn’t

2.) my claim was “we had never created a successful vaccine using that technology” to which you responded “but we had been working on it for a long time”. That does nothing to refute my claim. Please feel free to post the results from when they worked on them in the past.

3.) my claim was “we had never successfully created a vaccine for a coronavirus” to which you responded” “….




And then you go on to say that my claims are the opposite of reality.

[isingmodel]

Calls people uneducated and uninformed, right after posting that AZ and J&J are "traditional vaccines".

AZ and J&J vaccines are viral vector vaccines - the first ever viral vector vaccine is Zabdeno, IIRC. First used around July 2020.

Thanks for confirming that you were in fact "grifted".

Traditional just meaning here non-mRNA, which is what he is referring to as "using a technology we’ve never successfully made a vaccine with".

rVSV-ZEBOV was approved in 2019.

[Polaris]

Traditional just meaning here non-mRNA, which is what he is referring to as "using a technology we’ve never successfully made a vaccine with".

rVSV-ZEBOV was approved in 2019.

That seems like an awfully loose definition of "traditional".