1. IF screws with your appetite and satiety signals. It also is HORMONALLY inferior to more "normal" ways of eating. People who IF'd in a recent study had jacked up blood work.
2. You pee a lot at night because of cortisol peaking and being underweight, as well as water and food content. My bet is on the cortisol though.
3. MosT has a chronically low fat intake. That is scary to me. I will elaborate more down below. Sounds too like most of the fats come from very poor sources.. you are certainly inflamed and highly deficient in fat soluble vitamins.
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MT, I am going to say it one more time, then I can no longer help. Be self-responsible, realize what we are saying is to help you, and do not look for ways to play victim. All your posts are so woe-is-me and so obvious where your habits are wrong; you refuse to change them. I do not know what else to say.
Eat your 3 biggest meals at breakfast, lunch and dinner. 1 small snack at night is all you get.
Eat a NORMAL ratio of fats and carbs. No more abusing food volume.
Do not ever eat alone.
Build your life around things you love. Rekindle old passions. Call old friends. You are living to eat.
Eat 3k calories a day and 80+ grams of fat from whole foods and oils and nuts. Your penis will thank me later.
YOU ARE WORTH RECOVERY. Now change!
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03-30-2017, 09:09 AM #751Been playing with shafts and balls since '75.
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03-30-2017, 09:24 AM #752
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Lol'd IRL at this
But I agree with everything else you said.
The Fat intake in particular concerns me, too.
Mos... I know this is just anecdote, but in my own experience having a good balance of fat AND carbs is critical to managing energy and hormones.
When I'm on the golf course, for example, sometimes it doesn't matter how many bananas or how much gatorade I drink... the energy doesn't stay until I add fats. Hell, a couple weeks ago I brought a little Peanut Butter packet (like a 200-300 calorie packet, pre-packaged) with me when I was out there... and during the round I was munching on fruit and caramel rice cakes for a while. I didn't really feel any more energy... then I found the PB pouch and just downed the whole thing... felt much better within 10-15minutes.
When you restrict fat intake for this long, you're going to be hugely deficient, like sonny said, on nutrients and hormones that would otherwise be stored in your fat cells. This is ESPECIALLY true if you lost most of your weight on a low-fat diet. Even your stored fat isn't as nutrient-dense as it could be (yes, that IS a thing... because adipose tissue is more than just fat... it's also vitamins and other stuff).
While I will continue to be in this thread and provide any guidance I can... I have to again agree with sonny that what you're asking in terms of us helping you monitor your 'progress' on the scale defeats the whole purpose of your recovery. I cannot, in good conscience, help in a process that I simply do not agree with... I hope you can understand that.Last edited by AdamWW; 03-30-2017 at 09:40 AM.
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03-30-2017, 09:28 AM #753
Life with sex drive >>>> life without
Sex drive for men is CRUCIAL in recovery and I am NOT EVEN KIDDING. The drive to be around people, and women (or men, whatever you're into) especially, can be the intrinsic motivation to change.
Plus, when you realize women like someone outgoing, confident and portrays that alpha male (hint hint: muscles =/= women) you become more lax and build your worth elsewhere.Been playing with shafts and balls since '75.
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03-30-2017, 09:42 AM #754
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Oh believe me I know... having a sex-drive in my opinion extends WAY beyond just being able to get it up... it gives you confidence, it's a reflection of your energy levels, virility, etc... it gives you a sense of normality because I think we - as mammals - can sense when something is missing... when you see beautiful women (or men, depending what you're into) and you have zero reaction, somewhere deep down you KNOW something is off... it doesn't feel good. It's a huge part of NORMAL life.
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03-30-2017, 10:34 AM #755
Okay .. Done ..
I'm convinced.. Completely .. I'm done with this ..
2,700 .. 70f, 175p, 342c ..starting tomorrow .. after 2 weeks, ill go to 3000 .. everyday .. every single day..
again .. Thank you .. seriously guys .. thank you..
I honestly don't know how else to thank you guys..
is the above okay? or? i would certainly prefer a higher protein amount but ill stick to 175..Instagram: Mos_Toorani
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I have an eating disorder, I eat for eating, not because I am hungry (although I also eat when hungry), but whenever I'm dieting, my willpower goes down so quickly. It is because I did alot of crash dieting. It has been successful but it has drained me mentally so hard that dieting is becoming too much for me.
I have a decent muscle base but right now, I need to cut down to approx. 10%bf, but I can't stick to dieting without falling into crash dieting.
I have made a meal plan at 1900 cals, 195p 145c 55f (from the top of my head, don't remember the exact numbers). I'm currently sitting at 88kg (bloated from water weight), approx 18%.
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I won't weigh myself starting tomorrow ..
I'm so overwhelmed at the moment ..
I have no idea what to eat.. I was planning to have my typical day tomorrow which is usually ending the night with a pint of ice cream and my walk in the morning ... I guess i'll have a protein bar before my walk (it's that early). and then a normal lunch and my usual dinner?
I typically end EVERY nights with protein fluff + GY + cereal... I'd like to stick to that dinner but i'll definitely have breakfast and lunch .. just no idea what i'll eat during workInstagram: Mos_Toorani
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Hence why counting calories when you're trying to recover from ED's is counterproductive
I didn't start to feel a sense of freedom in my eating until I trusted myself to be OK with not knowing the future of my meals
You're smart enough to eyeball and guesstimate, give yourself some credit"When I die, I hope it's early in the morning so I don't have to go to work that day for no reason"
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At this point it should go without saying that your decision to get better is 'commendable', if that's how you want to see it. That being said, this is for YOU... my personal appreciation for what you're doing shouldn't factor into the decision or your pride. Feel confident because YOU know you're making the right call, not anyone else.
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03-30-2017, 11:28 AM #771
Man, it's amazing how closely I can relate to your frustrations. I think I'm going through the same thing at the moment. You need that control. You need the strict regimen, knowing what you're going to eat e.g. Saturday at 4pm. It overpowers what signals your body is giving you when it's hungry or not. What i've seen success with so far is to delegate my food choices to others. If you live with family or friends, you could ask them to prepare food for you.
This also applies to other areas of life. If we live our lives the same way day to day, you never grow and learn. You need to shock yourself out of a habit, sometimes.
Anyways, much respect and good luck!
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Yes, I know .. Absolutely .. But i'll always have the that thought in the back of my mind "how much did i eat? did i eat more calories? did i eat less? how many calories are in this meal?" bla bla bla .. I'd rather ease into that situation .. that's why i need to experience this new feeling of my hopefully new intake before i go cold turkey completely.. i need to make sure that i hit minimum fats at least .. i need my hormones back..
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03-30-2017, 11:52 AM #779
Yup, 100% this. But you never actually know. For example, 100g of one apple may be more or less than 100g of another due to water weight, etc. The number of calories our bodies burn in a day varies all the time. Some days i've been ravenous, then the next would go all day without thinking of food. We like to think we know more than our bodies (if that makes sense), but really that's the best way to really know if you "should" eat or not.
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03-30-2017, 11:52 AM #780
The point is this:
Tracking is still a crutch. You feel like crap. You abuse high volume foods. You don't eat any fats as a male. You IF.
You NEED TO focus on big rocks and not maintain the crap habits that will still lead you feeling crappy.
4 meals per day evenly dispersed.
sufficient fats at each meal.
smallest meal is before bed (one small snack like 1 apple)
More calories in general.
Do that ^^ while having a sufficient carbs, fats and proteins at each meal WITHOUT tracking.
You know what a normal meal looks like. Now do that 3-4 times a day.Been playing with shafts and balls since '75.
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