Hi
I'm new to this forum and would like some help.
I have been training for 2 months now just to lose some weight and try to get lean. I have decided to try the keto and i would like to know how to plan my workouts for weight training and cardio alongside taking bcaa, creatine and whey protein etc whilst on this diet.
Also do i need carbs before and/or after training and how do i preserve muscle alongside the training combined with keto diet
I am planning to train in mornings approx 630am but may change later to evenings 8pm.
Would really appreciate your advise.
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02-03-2019, 02:14 PM #1
Advice for beginner on Keto diet and weight training
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02-03-2019, 02:37 PM #2
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02-03-2019, 04:58 PM #3
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Don't spend money on bcaa.
Use protein powder as needed to hit your daily protein macro/goal.
Creatine monohydrate 3-5 grams a day, every day, in any beverage, at any time of day, no loading, no cycling
A little reading
bcaa
https://mauiathletics.com/free-form-...e-of-research/
keto
https://mauiathletics.com/ketogenic-...y-composition/
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02-03-2019, 06:29 PM #4
Forget the BCAAs. Luc Van Loon, world leading expert on protein and exercise: “in short, there is absolutely no evidence that BCAAs enhance performance or recovery if supplemented at any time”
Keto can be a good way to control your calories. There's nothing else special about it.
You asked: "Also do i need carbs before and/or after training and how do i preserve muscle alongside the training combined with keto diet?"
Keto means pretty much no carbs, so neither before nor after.
You're probably better off forgetting about keto and just doing a high-protein calorie-controlled diet, but if keto helps you eat less calories, it might do what you're looking for.
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02-03-2019, 07:01 PM #5
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02-04-2019, 05:17 AM #6
Great advice so far, nothing to say that will add any value beyond those two reply’s.
Bodybuilding is much more than an hour in the gym a few days a week---it's a lifestyle that changes all your perceptions about how to live, eat, and rest. It feeds the mind as much (and sometimes more so) than the body.
~Originally posted by ironwill2008
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02-04-2019, 06:06 AM #7
Keto is good for losing weight fast and it's a good short-term diet. But if your goal is to build muscle, I don't see being Keto being a good option.
Skimping on carbohydrate, most of which should come from slow digesting sources such as brown rice, grains, oatmeal, veggies and yams, can actually cause you to lose muscle.
Carbs form muscle glycogen, the fuel for strenuous training, and when these stores are depleted the body turns to its own lean tissue for fuel.
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02-04-2019, 06:51 AM #8
Lol what? Stop giving advice. Body fat is stored fuel. Not eating carbohydrates will not cause muscle loss. Muscle loss is only going to occur if sufficient training stimuli is absent, or in cases of starvation once adequate fat reserves are depleted.
The benefits of keto for some (myself included) when dieting is satiation. There is no benefit to fat loss efficiency versus any other form of calorie deficit. Typically people will see faster SCALE LOSS when starting a low carb or ketogenic diet due to losing more water weight.
OP Some people do well on keto others do not. It is very restrictive and not the best for micro nutrients. Most people don't do it right anyway. I'd recommend tracking your intake and adjusting it to see your desired amount of scale loss on a rolling weekly average. Focus your food intake on mostly whole food sources and include a lot of vegetables for satiation. Avoid drinking calories and using high calorie condiments which do not provide much satiation for the calories...
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02-04-2019, 07:25 AM #9
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02-05-2019, 05:38 AM #10
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02-05-2019, 09:26 AM #11
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02-05-2019, 09:36 AM #12
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02-05-2019, 01:15 PM #13
Well, I know enough to understand that not eating carbs doesn't in-itself result in catabolism of muscle tissue, and that there are pathways for utilization of fat for energy (that is why we store fat). While I'm not a 'keto advocate" I have a hard time letting misinformed bro science posts be represented as fact. Keto is no more efficient in burning fat than any other matched calorie deficit as I previously stated, but it does work very well for some people due to the satiation benefits. I ran a keto diet for about 7 months last year, my body did not consume all of my lean tissue...See pics in profile if you need verification.
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02-26-2019, 07:16 AM #14
Not true. I have lost over 40 lbs in 18 months. Keto is a lifestyle that can be sustained in the long run and provides health benefits that other diets don't offer. For e.g. avoiding sugar and carbs all together has shown to reduce growths in cancer cells. My blood work has seen constant improvements since I started Keto. Look up on r/keto and you will see success stories that you wouldn't find in any other diet.
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02-26-2019, 12:50 PM #15
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02-26-2019, 12:56 PM #16
You will find those same stories with absolutely every other diet.
My sister went vegan, lost 30 lbs, and got off of 8 medications.
A friend lost a lot of weight on the blood-type of diet, which is total nonsense, and swears it changed his life and is the diet to rule all diets.
Losing fat is good for you. Any diet that allows you to eat less calories and lose fat will have good outcomes.
Keto can be great for controlling your calories, but there's no evidence that it's any better than controlling your calories any other way.
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02-26-2019, 04:48 PM #17
Actually it seems nearly proven in SOME types of cancer. That said other types of cancer seem to metabolize protein rather than carbohydrates, and while I’m not an oncologist, I’d be willing to bet there are some cancer types that prefer fat as a metabolic substrate. Many of the positive health effects noted by people on keto diets are very real, but losing fat and getting to a healthier body composition is going to result in improved health markers, so it’s the fatloss rather than the keto. The same health marker improvements would likely occur on any matched calorie diet, and they would likely be further enhanced if that matched calorie diet included carbs from micronutrient dense high fiber fruits and vegetables. Keto can be a good tool for some, but there are a lot of ways to accomplish the same thing. I prefer running low carbs for a variety of reasons (mainly satiation and how I feel) but I include a LOT of veg. I pretty much just avoid processed carbs, rice and other low nutrient carb sources. They just seem to make me hungrier.
But then again what do I know, probably gonna loze all mah gainz cause low carb. Lol. Squating sets at 365 today while running about 2000 cals/day so my legs must not have got the memo yet.
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02-28-2019, 05:46 AM #18
You may be right. But, Keto works for me because I love Cheese, Beef, Eggs, and Bacon. I can have as many as I want as long as I don't go over my daily Macros. The type of food on Keto is more filling and help you stay away from senseless snackings in between. My regular blood work has shown decrease in cholesterol levels.
The best part about Keto and how it affected me is that it has totally taken away any sugar cravings I had.
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02-28-2019, 07:18 AM #19
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02-28-2019, 10:36 AM #20
I have tried both and like I said in my other post, I have lost over 40 lbs on Keto. Don't remember losing anything on calorie deficit diet for too long.
But, your first option is wrong. You cannot have any diet or program including Keto where a caloric surplus diet will cause you to lose weight. You still have to watch your Macros, but once your body becomes Ketogenic, it burns fat as fuel, which helps.
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02-28-2019, 02:18 PM #21
If calories are the same and the protein the same they'd be exactly the same except for water weight. These studies have been done. Why? Because it's the same energy balance.
And burning fat for energy versus burning glycogen doesn't really make any difference if the energy balance and protein are the same. Excess calories will be stored as fat; calorie deficit will result in fat loss.
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02-28-2019, 03:43 PM #22
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02-28-2019, 07:49 PM #23
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03-01-2019, 03:43 AM #24
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03-01-2019, 03:55 AM #25
My hypothesis is... that getting heated up arguing the small points (much of which is reasonable but conjecture), shouting at web pages and fist waving can increase your metabolism, but forum-raised metabolism might not be significant in overall weight loss
if Keto works for you --> Keep doing it
If Keto doesn't work for you --> Stop doing it
Sorry to get all pragmatic and try to ruin a good fight (yeah I'm no fun...)
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03-01-2019, 04:55 AM #26
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03-01-2019, 07:23 AM #27
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03-01-2019, 02:35 PM #28
A benefit of Keto that I'd add that I hadn't seen mentioned yet is the increase in fats seems to help a ton with joint pain.
Being in a deficit usually means cutting fats and carbs fairly evenly. This reduction in fats seems to increase my joint pain.
With Keto, even in a large caloric deficit, my joint pain actually is less than a balanced diet.
As others have already said though, it is no magic bullet to weight loss. I use it because I'm way less hungry and it makes my joints feel good. Hell, on Keto I can even skip meals if I want. On a normal diet I can't stop thinking about food. Soon as one meal is done I'm waiting for my next one.
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03-01-2019, 03:23 PM #29
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03-01-2019, 04:53 PM #30
I haven't reduced calories any other way than Keto or PSMF in years but I always tried to keep protein around 200G, carbs around 200G which leaves 50G or less for fats.
I take 1 fish oil capsule daily which has 980mg EPA/DHA. I have seen others on here report that taking higher doses regularly seems to help with joints but I like keto so hadn't really thought to take more fish oil instead.
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