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    Lol every couple decades a candidate who wants to significantly expand publicly funded programs/social services crops up and every time hordes of uneducated spergs that constitute the right wing come out to call them far left communists

    Happened with FDR, happened with Eisenhower, happened a bit with Obama, now it's happening with Sanders like clockwork

    These dudes are going to be in for a hell of a shock when universal healthcare, basic income etc all become mainstream during their lifetimes. Thankfully absolutely nobody cares what conservatives think
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    Originally Posted by randombrah102 View Post
    Well look at that, once again you are here with your "fuk you, I got mine" mentality.
    Grats on your insurance, but many Americans either can't afford insurance at all or can only afford chitty insurance.

    And no, his anecdotal evidence which might not even be true does not count. Not about to discount actual research studies done because a random guy on the internet wrote up a story.
    Another typical leftist response claiming that anyone who has health insurance has a "fuk you, I got mine" attitude.

    I also have a nice house and nice cars. Do you support Bernie on Housing for All? Cars for All?

    Sure, the US's healthcare system can be improved. But, Medicare for All is not the answer. It will take a comprehensive bipartisan effort

    tecom, being a Canadian, gives an honest assessment of Canada's healthcare system. Anything similar in a much larger market like the US would be a disaster and 100X worse in service and care.
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    Originally Posted by randombrah102 View Post
    ITT: a right wing collective mental breakdown/circle jerk

    Here are some actual studies, and not "this guy I work with had a friend whose sister lives in Canada and this one time she had to wait 3 days at the emergency room"

    http://worldpopulationreview.com/cou...-in-the-world/

    https://www.who.int/healthinfo/paper30.pdf


    If wanting to have a healthcare system that doesn't lag behind all other first world democratic countries makes you a far left commie in your alternate reality then so be it.
    Meanhile I will keep voting and advocating for a better healthcare system while ya'll can have fun with your gofundme pages when you or one of your loved ones gets cancer
    I live in Canada and have been waiting to see a specialist since march 2 years ago. When I asked my doctor if it would be better to go somewhere I could pay for a specialist he finally caved and gave me their phone number. Im still waiting to make an appointment. They dont just make appointments, they call you when they are ready to make one. No dates or timelines just have to wait and suffer.

    Canada healthcare is so awesome.

    Im so lucky I have a job that could accommodate me when I was at my worst. Or Id have lost my home.
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    Originally Posted by tecom View Post
    This video absolutely belongs in this thread.

    1984 Interview with High ranked KGB propagandist that defected to Canada and worked for the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation in the 70's.

    He explains exactly what is happening now. All of it. You should all watch (and share) from 1h07min until the end.



    If you watch the whole video, you will understand why this man was the REAL DEAL.
    Great video. I’ve seen clips but never watched it in entirety.

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    Originally Posted by isingmodel View Post
    Lol every couple decades a candidate who wants to significantly expand publicly funded programs/social services crops up and every time hordes of uneducated spergs that constitute the right wing come out to call them far left communists

    Happened with FDR, happened with Eisenhower, happened a bit with Obama, now it's happening with Sanders like clockwork

    These dudes are going to be in for a hell of a shock when universal healthcare, basic income etc all become mainstream during their lifetimes. Thankfully absolutely nobody cares what conservatives think
    And then some lefty comes along and complains about the deficit when we've got trillions of dollars in mandatory spending.
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    Originally Posted by AlwaysFocus View Post
    I live in Canada and have been waiting to see a specialist since march 2 years ago. When I asked my doctor if it would be better to go somewhere I could pay for a specialist he finally caved and gave me their phone number. Im still waiting to make an appointment.

    Canada healthcare is so awesome.

    Im so lucky I have a job that could accommodate me when I was at my worst. Or Id have lost my home.
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    Originally Posted by randombrah102 View Post
    Well look at that, once again you are here with your "fuk you, I got mine" mentality.
    Grats on your insurance, but many Americans either can't afford insurance at all or can only afford chitty insurance.

    And no, his anecdotal evidence which might not even be true does not count. Not about to discount actual research studies done because a random guy on the internet wrote up a story.
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    Until the '70s college tuition in California was free. If you want a better, smarter, richer, stronger country you need to have an educated group of citizen's.

    Medicare for all or "socialized" health care makes sense to 90% of the industrial world. Just US likes to waste money on buerocracy and middle men. Why do we pay more for less in a supposedly free market system? Why is our maternal death rate higher than most other first world countries?

    Dems have the ticket on health and education. Everything else they are whackadoos on tho. Immigration, economy, 2A, etc.
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    Originally Posted by randombrah102 View Post
    ITT: a right wing collective mental breakdown/circle jerk

    Here are some actual studies, and not "this guy I work with had a friend whose sister lives in Canada and this one time she had to wait 3 days at the emergency room"

    http://worldpopulationreview.com/cou...-in-the-world/

    https://www.who.int/healthinfo/paper30.pdf


    If wanting to have a healthcare system that doesn't lag behind all other first world democratic countries makes you a far left commie in your alternate reality then so be it.
    Meanhile I will keep voting and advocating for a better healthcare system while ya'll can have fun with your gofundme pages when you or one of your loved ones gets cancer
    You linked a paper based on data from 1997 and a website that looks to be formatted by a freshman in college that does a piss poor job of explaining their rankings only to show that Canada at 37 million people is "ranked" slightly better than the US at 327 million people.

    And here you are saying we're having the breakdown. Just fukking lol, son.
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    Originally Posted by Johnez View Post
    Until the '70s college tuition in California was free. If you want a better, smarter, richer, stronger country you need to have an educated group of citizen's.

    Medicare for all or "socialized" health care makes sense to 90% of the industrial world. Just US likes to waste money on buerocracy and middle men. Why do we pay more for less in a supposedly free market system? Why is our maternal death rate higher than most other first world countries?

    Dems have the ticket on health and education. Everything else they are whackadoos on tho. Immigration, economy, 2A, etc.
    Good post, are you a republican in the US?

    One of the overlooked benefits of a universal health care system:

    Medical Bankruptcy Is Killing The American Middle Class
    https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/medi...ass-2019-02-14
    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/11/this...ankruptcy.html

    A new study has found that a horrifying 530,000 families turn to bankruptcy each year due to medical bills they can’t pay. In the end, it’s easier to declare bankruptcy than to allow oneself to drown in medical expenses.

    That’s how you know when a country is broken.
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    I guess all of the center left fringe Democrats hang out on this forum...
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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    Good post, are you a republican in the US?

    One of the overlooked benefits of a universal health care system:

    Medical Bankruptcy Is Killing The American Middle Class
    https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/medi...ass-2019-02-14
    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/11/this...ankruptcy.html
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    I'm far left...

    No offence (I like you man)... But I don't think you've done much research into far left philosophy or communities.

    Far left people literally do not call democrats/liberals leftists, they call the centrists. I'm ded srs.

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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    Good post, are you a republican in the US?

    One of the overlooked benefits of a universal health care system:

    Medical Bankruptcy Is Killing The American Middle Class
    https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/medi...ass-2019-02-14
    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/11/this...ankruptcy.html
    Independent, mostly conservative.
    I've voted for Bush, Paul, Obama, and Clinton (yes I'll feckin admit it lol).

    In addition to medical bankruptcy we have student loans sapping young Americans purchasing power. We're going to see it in housing eventually and we're already seeing auto sales down. I think the real problem in education is the emphasis on 4 year degrees though. Don't need that for the jobs we're going to need and need already, and yet we are pumping out liberal arts degrees like crazy. STEM should be STTEM (with the second T being trades), not this new STEAM emphasis...
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    Originally Posted by Mark1T View Post
    Another typical leftist response claiming that anyone who has health insurance has a "fuk you, I got mine" attitude.

    I also have a nice house and nice cars. Do you support Bernie on Housing for All? Cars for All?

    Sure, the US's healthcare system can be improved. But, Medicare for All is not the answer. It will take a comprehensive bipartisan effort

    tecom, being a Canadian, gives an honest assessment of Canada's healthcare system. Anything similar in a much larger market like the US would be a disaster and 100X worse in service and care.
    You support lying dumb ass Donald Trump who’s lied over 10000 times about everything.

    You have no problem taking government subsides yet you complain when the poor gets a small amount.

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    I live in Canada and have been waiting to see a specialist since march 2 years ago. When I asked my doctor if it would be better to go somewhere I could pay for a specialist he finally caved and gave me their phone number. Im still waiting to make an appointment. They dont just make appointments, they call you when they are ready to make one. No dates or timelines just have to wait and suffer.

    Canada healthcare is so awesome.

    Im so lucky I have a job that could accommodate me when I was at my worst. Or Id have lost my home.
    This is the truth. Meanwhile, Canada opened the floodgates to immigration at the yearly rate of the equivalent of Nova Scotia's population. They ALL take advantage of our healthcare system and flood it as soon as they get citizenship. This makes it extremely hard for people that have lived here for 10+ generations to get decent access to Healthcare. Socialism is so backwards. You have to grow up in it and live it to understand it.

    Basically, Socialism is GREAT if you come from anywhere but the welcoming Country.

    Ironically, once these same immigrants have been here for 2-3 generations: they also get fuked up the ass hard with no lube just like the rest of us.

    America, PLEASE FIGHT to move things further RIGHT so Canada is FORCED to follow suit like the CUCKS that 'we' are. I'm not even kidding. American Patriotism and strong nationalism needs to be the coolest thing ever and remain that way for decades to come. This should teach Canada to grow some balls and eventually, hopefully, tell the U.K. government to go fuk themselves.
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    As a member of the far left fringe I can guarantee that the corporate sponsored moderate Democrats out number the far left 10-1. Things like Medicare for All have been a mainstream Democratic talking point since at least 1971. It was only in the past eight years that it was suddenly considered “far left.”
    You're far left, but probably live like a far right capitalist.....I'm sure your neighborhood is very diverse, and you're giving up a majority of your paycheck to those less fortunate....
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    Originally Posted by Tamorlane View Post
    Good post, are you a republican in the US?

    One of the overlooked benefits of a universal health care system:

    Medical Bankruptcy Is Killing The American Middle Class
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    Should we have universal daycare, and car insurance as well? How about universal dental care? That way we can wait 6 months to get our wisdom teeth taken out...
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    Originally Posted by isingmodel View Post
    Lol every couple decades a candidate who wants to significantly expand publicly funded programs/social services crops up and every time hordes of uneducated spergs that constitute the right wing come out to call them far left communists

    Happened with FDR, happened with Eisenhower, happened a bit with Obama, now it's happening with Sanders like clockwork

    These dudes are going to be in for a hell of a shock when universal healthcare, basic income etc all become mainstream during their lifetimes. Thankfully absolutely nobody cares what conservatives think
    Your obsession with Yang is troublesome, accept the reality that he isn't going to get the nomination. Also, your other fantasies may or may not come true, it's not a guarantee.
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    Originally Posted by randombrah102 View Post
    No? Where did I say its 1/3 of the population of the United States? Try reading the article next time

    "Nearly 250,000 campaigns have been set up through the site to help pay for health care costs, raising $650 million in contributions, according to the company’s website."

    Point of that article is that Americans have to literally beg to get enough money for medical treatment. Sad and embarrassing.
    I know, instead they could be in the UK or Canada, and wait six months, to a year for an operation.
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    Your obsession with Yang is troublesome, accept the reality that he isn't going to get the nomination. Also, your other fantasies may or may not come true, it's not a guarantee.
    And Yang isn't even a dark horse. His % is lower than Beeto.
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    Originally Posted by BearyManilowe View Post
    You linked a paper based on data from 1997 and a website that looks to be formatted by a freshman in college that does a piss poor job of explaining their rankings only to show that Canada at 37 million people is "ranked" slightly better than the US at 327 million people.

    And here you are saying we're having the breakdown. Just fukking lol, son.
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    universal health care and "free" college are things right wingers in other countries are fine with. Some promote. Somehow you brainwashed tools of the filthy rich think that makes someone a far left person. I still don't get how stupid one must be to be so rabidly against taxing companies and people making thousands more than they do a higher rate so their kids can go to school without debt or they can get health care. When politics gets in front of your self interest. You'd rather the people telling you this is socialism be able to continue milking the country for all its worth while you're hell bent on preventing yourself from getting a slice.
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    Originally Posted by semitope View Post
    universal health care and "free" college are things right wingers in other countries are fine with. Some promote. Somehow you brainwashed tools of the filthy rich think that makes someone a far left person. I still don't get how stupid one must be to be so rabidly against taxing companies and people making thousands more than they do a higher rate so their kids can go to school without debt or they can get health care. When politics gets in front of your self interest. You'd rather the people telling you this is socialism be able to continue milking the country for all its worth while you're hell bent on preventing yourself from getting a slice.
    Now that is quite the rant.....

    Also, sell me on why I should pay for the medical costs of someone who's morbidly obese, a drug addict, an alcoholic, a chain smoker, etc.

    As for college, you're not entitled to go to college. That's a choice you make. And my taxes shouldn't go up, because you want to major in philosophy, or basket weaving....
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    Now that is quite the rant.....

    Also, sell me on why I should pay for the medical costs of someone who's morbidly obese, a drug addict, an alcoholic, a chain smoker, etc.

    As for college, you're not entitled to go to college. That's a choice you make. And my taxes shouldn't go up, because you want to major in philosophy, or basket weaving....
    College degrees are already massively oversaturated too, while there is a shortage of skilled tradesmen, honestly unless your path includes going masters+ college is silly.
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    Originally Posted by Hamlinrule View Post
    I think there is a social conditioning going on to villianize the Left by giving them extra views that are unpopular by large.
    Wealth is being concentrated by a select few, Wages are falling, worker rights are non-existent, the health care and education system make people sicker and dumber and nothing is being done about it.
    Wages are rising. Between the tax cut and punishing offshoring, Trump has raised income by thousands of dollars a year for average Americans.
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    Originally Posted by Dave22reborn View Post
    Your obsession with Yang is troublesome, accept the reality that he isn't going to get the nomination. Also, your other fantasies may or may not come true, it's not a guarantee.
    Has nothing to do with yang, if you dont think universal healthcare will be a reality in the US you are a deluded fool, but we already knew that

    50 years from now itll be mainstream in the Republican party
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    I'm confident that when the primaries start and the eventual dem winner is known, they'll start to move to the center. Their internal polling will tell them the surest way to beating the Orange Menace will be to move to the center and pound him on his idiocy, healthcare, declining economy, increased illegal immigration, and massive increase in the debt.

    There's no way they run on a platform of free healthcare for illegals or open borders. They'll also move off of nationalized healthcare and bring back Obamacare in some fashion.
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    Originally Posted by Ikeman83 View Post
    Wages are rising. Between the tax cut and punishing offshoring, Trump has raised income by thousands of dollars a year for average Americans.
    Wages are barely beating inflation and they're only rising because of minimum wage increases in liberal states.

    Do you ever think logically?
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