I never really understood this. Why does swapping out lifts reduce injury risk if you generally swap to other lifts that work the exact same movement pattern, muscles, joints etc? This makes no sense to me. Does this mean that sticking to the same group of exercises forever will greatly increase your risk of injury? How often should we be swapping out lifts? I feel like there are only so many lifts in existence so it becomes an exercise in frustration to keep finding new things to do especially with equipment limitations.
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03-05-2021, 09:43 AM #1
How does rotating lifts reduce injury risk and how often should we do it?
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03-05-2021, 10:18 AM #2
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03-05-2021, 10:42 AM #3
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03-05-2021, 10:49 AM #4
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03-05-2021, 11:32 AM #5
This is an interesting question because I too, have wondered about this. I don't have much knowledge on this but my assumption has always been that "overuse injuries" is a cover up for flat out using bad form or bad form from too much weight or too much volume. Doesn't make much sense to just arbitrarily change exercises if there's no issues.
Last edited by Animal2692; 03-05-2021 at 11:42 AM.
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03-05-2021, 11:53 AM #6
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03-05-2021, 11:55 AM #7
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03-05-2021, 11:56 AM #8
Mistake in the title. How does swapping variations of lifts minimize overuse injuries?
So you’re saying this is a myth?
I watched a vid from blaha who is on conjugate, which is quite similar to my setup. He gave the example that maxing out on the same lifts all the time will increase your chances of overuse and that you need to max out on different lifts each week to help with prevention. Even said lighter assistance lifts need to be rotated too to prevent overuse.
I don’t understand it though since the variations he uses are only slight differences. Eg. Slightly altering grip width on a bench counts as a variation. Or swapping in some dumbbells, using different bars etc. it’s still the same movement pattern though working the same muscles, joints? Doesn’t make sense to me.
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03-05-2021, 11:57 AM #9
People don’t arbitrarily do this.
You change an exercise when it starts feeling stale or if you start to feel something creep up.
It’s the same ideas as a deload.
Sometimes it’s better to do it before you need it and it’s too late.
If you hammer dB lateral raises for 3 months and you’re now getting to the point where adding weight/reps/sets is counter productive swapping in a cable variation, an extreme rom version, or a cable upright row would be the prudent choice to avoid either just stalling out and having ****ty stimulus to your delts and avoiding an injury.
Overuse injuries happen in everything in life if you do a movement pattern enough times in a row something is gonna break.
Ever wiggled a piece of plastic or a rubber band until it snaps? Same concept.
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03-05-2021, 12:06 PM #10
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03-05-2021, 12:21 PM #12
Let’s use OHP as an example.
With a barbell you’re pretty fixed in the movement.
Swap to a seated DB Press.
The joint angles and load will be different and you’ll move more freely.
Sure they are the “same” movement but the stress is entirely different.
Altering rep ranges contributes too.
So try not to look at it strictly as a movement variation.
It’s a variation of Multiple stressors.
Edit:
Current personal example
I’m curling 3 times a week, my forearms are hurting my work and some overuse stuff I can’t work around.
Ez bar curls were killing my forearms and elbow with pain last 2 weeks of my meso, but preacher and hammer curls were zero pain.
So slightl alterations can make a large difference.Last edited by Filmbuff81; 03-05-2021 at 12:27 PM.
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03-05-2021, 12:24 PM #13
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03-05-2021, 05:24 PM #16
As above, changing exercises changes the stress and movement patterns of the body.
There's a lot more involved than just muscles and tendons. There are also ligaments in the joints, bursae (sacs of fluid in the joints), bones, and stabilizer muscles that move differently around bones when you change variations.
Look at a detailed anatomy chart of the shoulders, for example, and watch a few vids on rotator cuff injury. You'll see how even 1 millimeter can make a difference in injury prevention, and see how small inflammation from bad form too many reps can increase to a muscle tear.
The body is much more complex than Instagram posts show.Once upon a time (maxes 2020) ...
Squat 185, Bench 137, DL 205, @ bw 88.5 age 43
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03-05-2021, 05:35 PM #17
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03-05-2021, 06:03 PM #18
Swap out every 4 weeks is good, of course it depends on your overall program. If you're on LP, grinding out a new 5RM on all lifts every week, then the stress is higher than if you're on DUP, managing fatigue throughout the week with heavy-light-medium or something.
Keep your main lift once a week, just swap the variations. Choose a range of close and distant variations.Once upon a time (maxes 2020) ...
Squat 185, Bench 137, DL 205, @ bw 88.5 age 43
Workout Journal: https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=175647011&p=1630928323&viewfull=1#post1630928323
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03-05-2021, 07:44 PM #19
Thanks bro. Just so I understand what you’re saying, I do an U/L where I have a squat/bench/dead/ohp day. I ramp up to a top set for these 4 lifts and the rest of the session is volume work (5-15 reps) via back off sets and other variations of these movement patterns. So it’s fine to keep squat/bench/dead/ohp in forever, working to a top set, and only change the supplemental exercises for volume work?
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03-05-2021, 08:28 PM #20
Yes, fine to keep them in forever, and do backoff work as the main lift on the day of that top set, then do the variation on another day. If you start stalling on a lift then just deload it. Occasionally run a pivot block where you change up all lifts for a few weeks.
Something like this:
Main squat work up to top set
Main squat backoff work
DL variation
Main bench
Main bench backoff work
OHP variation
Horizontal pull
Vertical pull
Main DL
Main DL backoff work
Squat variation
Main OHP
Main OHP backoff work
Bench variation
Hor. pull
Vert. pull
Could even add bench on day 1 or day 3, or both depending on what you needOnce upon a time (maxes 2020) ...
Squat 185, Bench 137, DL 205, @ bw 88.5 age 43
Workout Journal: https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=175647011&p=1630928323&viewfull=1#post1630928323
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03-05-2021, 08:42 PM #21
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03-05-2021, 09:08 PM #22
One more thing: It's good to change the variations every block, for all the reasons talked about above, and to increase the stimulus from each variation. First block say you do Main DL and SLDL as variation. Next block you do Main DL and RDL. Next block Main DL and Candito DL. Fourth block you go back to Main DL and SLDL. Idea here is variety across blocks, and keeping each variation at least 2 blocks apart.
Once upon a time (maxes 2020) ...
Squat 185, Bench 137, DL 205, @ bw 88.5 age 43
Workout Journal: https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=175647011&p=1630928323&viewfull=1#post1630928323
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