DEA supervisor sold semi-automatic rifles to Mexico’s Sinaloa Cartel

**JingoWolf** · 03-01-2021, 01:33 PM

“Agents spying on Sinaloa Cartel associates traces two of their high powered, semi-automatic rifles to a surprising source- a supervisor with the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.

Joseph Michael Gill, tasked with rooting out traffickers during Americas deadliest drug crisis likely helped arm them during some of his 645 sales transactions on Gunbroker.com, according to court records.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.ya...173312295.html

**BalognaNbeans** · 03-01-2021, 01:38 PM

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

Nothing new

**ooph** · 03-01-2021, 01:39 PM

This is old news bro. Project Gunrunner guns were used in the murder of a border patrol agent as well. Sad.

Yes Obama Administration is filled with scandals like this. Yet every lefty will tell you it was a scandal free 8 years. LMFAO.

**RICHSTRONG** · 03-01-2021, 01:40 PM

Protect the pepsi at all costs!

**BallsDeep3** · 03-01-2021, 01:44 PM

Old news...look for a massive uptick in this as Biden and basically Obama's cabinet are now running the US again.

**ErnieMccracken** · 03-01-2021, 01:45 PM

No comment

**tunafishha** · 03-01-2021, 02:23 PM

Only the master race can save the US now.

**tunafishha** · 03-01-2021, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by bov188

Genuine question ... what law did he break?

AFAIK, the only requirement for private gun sales in AZ is the purchaser must be 18yo for long guns and 21 for handguns. No background checks or anything required

If he legally sold firearms to someone and the purchaser smuggled them to Mexico how is it the seller's at fault?

Unless they can prove he knew the purchaser was part of the cartel what crime did he commit?

Natural law.

It's an innate law.

You cant be working with drug dealers and selling them firearms brah.

I recommend watching a vid called, the law by yo gotti.

**xeron** · 03-01-2021, 02:27 PM

Doesn’t sound bad to me tbh

No way in hell they’re gonna think you’re an undercover agent when you’re railing lines with them every weekend and selling them guns

Perfect cover

**rootcon** · 03-01-2021, 02:28 PM

Oh man thanks for the tip was just about to buy this https://www.gunbroker.com/item/891463499

**fishnbrah** · 03-01-2021, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by bov188

Genuine question ... what law did he break?

AFAIK, the only requirement for private gun sales in AZ is the purchaser must be 18yo for long guns and 21 for handguns. No background checks or anything required

If he legally sold firearms to someone and the purchaser smuggled them to Mexico how is it the seller's at fault?

Unless they can prove he knew the purchaser was part of the cartel what crime did he commit?

can only be between arizona residents.

**BK909** · 03-01-2021, 02:41 PM

Legally sold guns....

What we talking about?

**ipunchurgirl** · 03-01-2021, 02:47 PM

They didn't the CIA help Sinaloa Cartel fight against Los Zeta? Not sure

**keyboardworkout** · 03-01-2021, 02:56 PM

At least DEA isn't dealing coke and heroin like the CIA.

**fishnbrah** · 03-01-2021, 03:04 PM

used to lol hard going to bass pro shops here and seeing mexican nationals loading up on boxes 7.62 ammo

**Paul Kreul** · 03-01-2021, 03:06 PM

Remember Obama’s “Fast & Furious”?

Turns out those guns were linked to several mass shootings.

Nothing to see here

**tunafishha** · 03-01-2021, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by bov188

But it doesn't sound like there's evidence that he knew they were in the cartel. Even if you wanted to call it, "willful ignorance" 3/200 sales ending up in the hands of the cartel isn't really strong evidence

To the DEA agent he's just making a private sale. It sounds like it's illegal for him to hold an FFL license ... Which is funny because if he had an FFL he would be required to do a background check and likely would have realized that the buyers were cartel members

The article implies that the purchaser was a resident of AZ and the DEA agent confirmed

"Gill said he didn't know the men were suspected drug traffickers and he did all that is legally required, checking the buyers' drivers' licenses, and verifying they were of legal age and lived in his home state of Arizona."

There's only one thing that can make or break this guy, and that is how hard it is to obtain these specific guns.

If it's difficult, he's guilty. If its not, he's a free man.

**DizzySmalls** · 03-01-2021, 03:31 PM

Execute the entire staff of the DEA and reallocate 100% of their assets to fund the release and reintegration of non violent incarcerated drug offenders

First state subsidized job for them is digging the hole

**Brosnbroccoli** · 03-01-2021, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by tunafishha

Natural law.

It's an innate law.

You cant be working with drug dealers and selling them firearms brah.

I recommend watching a vid called, the law by yo gotti.

What are you talking about?

He’s saying IF the cop sold the guns to person X and IF the cop didn’t know person X then sold the guns to the cartel or the cop didn’t know person X was part of the cartel... what crime did he commit?

Obviously if he was “working with” the cartel, he did something illegal and that’s not because it’s an “innate law”.

Criminal offence requires mens rea.

**MuscleXtreme** · 03-01-2021, 03:33 PM

This is just one of the reasons why Mexico’s president doesn’t like Biden.

Trump and AMLO had a great relation that was built on mutual respect.

**tunafishha** · 03-01-2021, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Brosnbroccoli

What are you talking about?

He’s saying IF the cop sold the guns to person X and IF the cop didn’t know person X then sold the guns to the cartel or the cop didn’t know person X was part of the cartel... what crime did he commit?

Obviously if he was “working with” the cartel, he did something illegal and that’s not because it’s an “innate law”.

Criminal offence requires mens rea.

It depends on how difficult it is to get ahold of these specific guns.

It would be very suspicious if someone in the us started to sell to foreign countries f35 jets.

**wrastler163** · 03-01-2021, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by Brosnbroccoli

What are you talking about?

He’s saying IF the cop sold the guns to person X and IF the cop didn’t know person X then sold the guns to the cartel or the cop didn’t know person X was part of the cartel... what crime did he commit?

Obviously if he was “working with” the cartel, he did something illegal and that’s not because it’s an “innate law”.

Criminal offence requires mens rea.

If you read the article he broke the law by selling hundreds of guns without a license.

He also bought guns for $632 and sold them for $1k, an obvious red flag near the border, something a DEA agent definitely knows. Let alone someone in his position in the DEA for over 15 years

IMO his sentence is fair. He’s just got community service, house arrest and probation.

**JayJ350** · 03-01-2021, 03:56 PM

The politicians who are the most against gun sales are usually gun dealers themselves. They just want to eliminate the competition.

**tunafishha** · 03-01-2021, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by wrastler163

If you read the article he broke the law by selling hundreds of guns without a license.

He also bought guns for $632 and sold them for $1k, an obvious red flag near the border, something a DEA agent definitely knows. Let alone someone in his position in the DEA for over 15 years

IMO his sentence is fair. He’s just got community service, house arrest and probation.

Are you retarded?

You think he should get a slap on the wrist for selling high powered to cartels so that they can continue to force their will on the people?

Good guns can take you out from afar vs a chitty ak-47.

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