Agree or Disagree?

[mtpockets]

[x-trainer ben]

I watched the George Floyd murder in the Daily Mail very early one morning and thought, if any of the 3 cops stopped the one officer, then he would be alive today.
So i disagree. Make all cops on the scene responsible for their partners behavior( seniority or not) and this stops or at least decreases.

If your chief says you are now responsible for your partner then maybe the blue wall of "cya/silence" cracks or loses some bricks and weakens.

[Mark1T]

I watched the George Floyd murder in the Daily Mail very early one morning and thought, if any of the 3 cops stopped the one officer, then he would be alive today.
So i disagree. Make all cops on the scene responsible for their partners behavior( seniority or not) and this stops or at least decreases.

If your chief says you are now responsible for your partner then maybe the blue wall of "cya/silence" cracks or loses some bricks and weakens.

I agree with MT and I agree with Ben.

The other cops were complicit by allowing their colleague cop to go that far. They should have pulled him off of Mr. George or pulled their gun on that cop to stop him.

[djdizzydave]

Agreed.


If we would stop bringing race into every little thing that happens, it would help in getting rid of it. But when rap and hip hop, and movies keeping talking racist ways, using language that they want "US" to stop using, then it won't die.

[blue9steel]

While I'm generally in favor of a race neutral, everyone equal before the law approach I don't think that works here. As best I can tell with the information presented, George Floyd was murdered on purpose because he was black. This wasn't because he was poor, or the cop was dirty, or he threatened the officers in some way, was armed or particularly dangerous, etc. I haven't heard anything to suggest that the cops involved were corrupt. Plenty of excessive use of force complaints, but that's a different kind of problem. Frankly I don't think this is an issue of just one, or a small number of bad cops among an overall good force either. I'd say there are deep systemic problems both with that local department and U.S. policing in general.

[Corbi]

While I'm generally in favor of a race neutral, everyone equal before the law approach I don't think that works here. As best I can tell with the information presented, George Floyd was murdered on purpose because he was black.

Please state your source for this? Best I can tell he was killed because the cop is a straight up @sshole. There has been zero proof anywhere that it was strictly a racial issue.

[Fishman15]

I watched the George Floyd murder in the Daily Mail very early one morning and thought, if any of the 3 cops stopped the one officer, then he would be alive today.
So i disagree. Make all cops on the scene responsible for their partners behavior( seniority or not) and this stops or at least decreases.

If your chief says you are now responsible for your partner then maybe the blue wall of "cya/silence" cracks or loses some bricks and weakens.

Some of those cops were only on the job for 4 days. Be realistic...

[Fishman15]

While I'm generally in favor of a race neutral, everyone equal before the law approach I don't think that works here. As best I can tell with the information presented, George Floyd was murdered on purpose because he was black. This wasn't because he was poor, or the cop was dirty, or he threatened the officers in some way, was armed or particularly dangerous, etc. I haven't heard anything to suggest that the cops involved were corrupt. Plenty of excessive use of force complaints, but that's a different kind of problem. Frankly I don't think this is an issue of just one, or a small number of bad cops among an overall good force either. I'd say there are deep systemic problems both with that local department and U.S. policing in general.

You have no idea whatsoever if George Floyd was killed because he was black. You are talking out your ass. It may end up being true, but right now...you and I have no clue so please stop the bs.

[Fishman15]

It definitely is a better way for the media to be writing the story. But it's not going to get the clicks and ratings so I wouldn't count on it. In general though I'd say no, it won't stop racism. I think racism is in a person's heart and won't matter how a story is written. Could it help though? For sure...

[x-trainer ben]

Some of those cops were only on the job for 4 days. Be realistic...

Then the one next in line who saw him dying should have pushed dick off the neck. How about the asian guy be a non wicked human being and let them work that chit out later?
Sometimes in life you have to take a stand and let the chips fall.
Instead we have chaos mixed with peaceful protests.

Be realistic.....

[Bando]

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If we would stop bringing race into every little thing that happens, it would help in getting rid of it. But when rap and hip hop, and movies keeping talking racist ways, using language that they want "US" to stop using, then it won't die.

This, at it's very heart is a racist comment. Whenever you put "us" in quotations you're dividing whites and blacks. As for the rap and hip hop culture, black men grew up in scenarios white people never did, it's part of the black experience. You don't have a lens to understand it.

As for #BLM, is it that hard to just ask that white cops stop killing innocent black kids? Blacks have have been "peacefully protesting" since the time of MLK and what has changed? Not a Fuking thing.

I'll bring the gas to burn the next police station, it's time to wake the fuk up, my Brothers are done with your Horse****.

[LWW]

More whites get shot than blacks by cops - https://www.statista.com/statistics/...olice-by-race/


We win, phuck ya'll race $hit talkers!!!

[Karl_Hungus]

This, at it's very heart is a racist comment. Whenever you put "us" in quotations you're dividing whites and blacks. As for the rap and hip hop culture, black men grew up in scenarios white people never did, it's part of the black experience. You don't have a lens to understand it.

As for #BLM, is it that hard to just ask that white cops stop killing innocent black kids? Blacks have have been "peacefully protesting" since the time of MLK and what has changed? Not a Fuking thing.

I'll bring the gas to burn the next police station, it's time to wake the fuk up, my Brothers are done with your Horse****.

You gotta stop swallowing all that goofy sh!t they spoon-feed the gullible teenagers at your university. If racially dividing statements are what defines racism, then BLM is as racist as they come. Secondly, when controlling for the number of arrests, cops are actually slightly less likely to kill an unarmed black person than they are to kill an unarmed white person. So relax a little bit on the racial pieties...

[Corbi]

As for #BLM, is it that hard to just ask that white cops stop killing innocent black kids? Blacks have have been "peacefully protesting" since the time of MLK and what has changed?

How many innocent/unarmed black men....not sure why you used the word kids....were killed by cops last yr? I’ll wait for the stats as they are readily available & I have seen them.

In addition throw in the same scenario but make it whites, how many have been killed last yr? Once again it’s a very easy stat to find.

[Bando]

You gotta stop swallowing all that goofy sh!t they spoon-feed the gullible teenagers at your university. If racially dividing statements are what defines racism, then BLM is as racist as they come. Secondly, when controlling for the number of arrests, cops are actually slightly less likely to kill an unarmed black person than they are to kill an unarmed white person. So relax a little bit on the racial pieties...

How many innocent/unarmed black men....not sure why you used the word kids....were killed by cops last yr? I’ll wait for the stats as they are readily available & I have seen them.

In addition throw in the same scenario but make it whites, how many have been killed last yr? Once again it’s a very easy stat to find.

I'll tell you what, post a video of a cop kneeling on a white Guy's neck for 2 minutes after he's dead.

I'll wait.

[Corbi]

I'll tell you what, post a video of a cop kneeling on a white Guy's neck for 2 minutes after he's dead.

I'll wait.

And what does that have to do with the question posed? Everyone wants to go back to the same well even though it’s dried up. There is not a single person alive with any moral compass at all that would say Derek Chauvin did the right thing. How many fukking times does that have to be repeated? Everyone agrees that guy is a complete piece of $hit so where do we go from here? Keep beating the same logic over & over?

[Karl_Hungus]

I'll tell you what, post a video of a cop kneeling on a white Guy's neck for 2 minutes after he's dead.

I'll wait.

Irrelevant, but look up Daniel Shaver if that is what you are after.

[Bando]

[QUOTE=Corbi;1607945181There is not a single person alive with any moral compass at all that would say Derek Chauvin did the right thing. How many fukking times does that have to be repeated? Everyone agrees that guy is a complete piece of $hit so where do we go from here? Keep beating the same logic over & over?[/QUOTE]

Because the Cops Lives Matter horsechit. Cops have been killing blacks disproportionately for 90 years. I don't care about your Fox news "statistics" I studied statistics in in HS, Undergrad and Grad school. I can make "statistics" say anything I want them to say by just manipulating a few variables in SPSS or Excel.

Sometimes you just gotta listen to your heart and say "wait, this isn't right"

If your heart is all dried up and dusty I guess that's your problem, not mine.

[Karl_Hungus]

Because the Cops Lives Matter horsechit. Cops have been killing blacks disproportionately for 90 years. I don't care about your Fox news "statistics" I studied statistics in in HS, Undergrad and Grad school. I can make "statistics" say anything I want them to say by just manipulating a few variables in SPSS or Excel.

Sometimes you just gotta listen to your heart and say "wait, this isn't right"

If your heart is all dried up and dusty I guess that's your problem, not mine.

But they AREN'T disproportionately killing blacks. You are reasoning from a place of emotion rather than data. That never works. If the statistics are faulty, then you can surely pick them apart... unless of course, you can't be bothered with pesky data and annoying facts....your feelings are all that matters.

[ElrondHubbard]

This, at it's very heart is a racist comment. Whenever you put "us" in quotations you're dividing whites and blacks. As for the rap and hip hop culture, black men grew up in scenarios white people never did, it's part of the black experience. You don't have a lens to understand it.

As for #BLM, is it that hard to just ask that white cops stop killing innocent black kids? Blacks have have been "peacefully protesting" since the time of MLK and what has changed? Not a Fuking thing.

I'll bring the gas to burn the next police station, it's time to wake the fuk up, my Brothers are done with your Horse****.

You might bring the gas, but what happens when the crowd burns down the Wendy's instead? Is that justice?

(Would have been even worse if it was a 5 Guys).

[Bando]

But they AREN'T disproportionately killing blacks.

Good grief. The one remaining brain cell in this place has succumbed.

[Corbi]

Good grief. The one remaining brain cell in this place has succumbed.

At least you are evolving & didn’t resort to calling him a Klan member or needing to pistol whip someone.

Disproportionately based on what? If it’s strictly population base then yes but let’s not avoid that giant elephant in the room & discuss that as well. Look at statistics on encounters with police / crimes committed. Are you going to sit there & bury your head in the sand & deny that proportionally based on population more crimes aren’t committed & that it’s just the police picking on the black population? How the hell do you explain away the fact that black cops arrest & shoot black people as well? Are the black cops racist or is it just all white cops?

[mtpockets]

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[_zman]

Regardless if the cop had racist thoughts and actions, this we cannot change. What we can change is the regulations and rules that apply to cops. What we can do is charge cops with the same laws that apply to the rest of us if there was obvious bad intentions. What we can't have is anarchy in the streets because we have no funding for police and these types of people no longer want to do the job because of the negative viewpoint of cops.

[Karl_Hungus]

Good grief. The one remaining brain cell in this place has succumbed.

Bando, your heart is in the right place....You want to ease the pain of those across the country who believe they are being hunted by the police. I get it. But you have to understand that pain would not exist if we were honest about these things.

At least you are evolving & didn’t resort to calling him a Klan member or needing to pistol whip someone.

Disproportionately based on what? If it’s strictly population base then yes but let’s not avoid that giant elephant in the room & discuss that as well. Look at statistics on encounters with police / crimes committed. Are you going to sit there & bury your head in the sand & deny that proportionally based on population more crimes aren’t committed & that it’s just the police picking on the black population? How the hell do you explain away the fact that black cops arrest & shoot black people as well? Are the black cops racist or is it just all white cops?

One analysis of the Philadelphia Police Department showed that black officers were MORE likely to shoot black suspects than were white officers. Larger studies have not shown any evidence that white officers were more likely to kill black suspects.

[x-trainer ben]

So over the past few weeks on this website every guy who doesnt "appear"to want change or evolution in policing brings up data; which I am normally in agreement with for most things but this is a perception issue as well.
Maybe choking is the norm, maybe shooting in the back is common and maybe having the DA cover for you and your son for 2 months is common in 2020,but their is a perception of fairness issue.
So when you talk to anyone who is AFAM in their 70s and 80s they inevitably have a story about police terrorizing them during their lifetime in various ways and methods. Now you may not agree with their analysis but they are free to see things through their own lifetime lenses. Again a perception issue.

Just dont be surprised if your glorious happy time with Andy Griffith, Barney Fife,and Matlock differ from other citizens in the country. And recall people in their 70s and 80s were not rap fans, thugs, or any other stereotypical lazy names thrown at anyone who complains about overly harsh treatment by law enforcement. Can you imagine if we had bodycam since the 50'S, what that might reveal?

[MrNismo]

Irrelevant, but look up Daniel Shaver if that is what you are after.

Every bit as bad as the George Floyd video. This one stuck in my head ever since I first saw it. I actually just looked this up fairly recently as I was curious as to the outcome. The killer cop ended up with a $2,500 pension for PTSD. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver

That said, I believe that we have 2 issues that absolutely need to be solved. Police killing people that don't deserve to die AND systemic racism. Sure, they overlap in some cases but I personally see them as 2 separate issues and I'm afraid by not calling it out as such, it takes away from the systemic racism message.

[Karl_Hungus]

So over the past few weeks on this website every guy who doesnt "appear"to want change or evolution in policing brings up data; which I am normally in agreement with for most things but this is a perception issue as well.
Maybe choking is the norm, maybe shooting in the back is common and maybe having the DA cover for you and your son for 2 months is common in 2020,but their is a perception of fairness issue.

I wouldn't disagree with what you say here. Any police officer who unjustifiably kills somebody should be held accountable and face the same consequences as anybody else. If systemic police tactics, training, culture, or selection contribute to innocent citizens being harmed, then those departments need to be held accountable as well. My only point is that we shouldn't be attributing it to racism if the evidence doesn't support that. If we aren't honest, far more harm than good is created.

[x-trainer ben]

I wouldn't disagree with what you say here. Any police officer who unjustifiably kills somebody should be held accountable and face the same consequences as anybody else. If systemic police tactics, training, culture, or selection contribute to innocent citizens being harmed, then those departments need to be held accountable as well. My only point is that we shouldn't be attributing it to racism if the evidence doesn't support that. If we aren't honest, far more harm than good is created.

Very fair comment and the reason i don't throw around the "R" word casually on this website. It just seems that some of the worst things that we see on video, just so happen to be happening to ....you know.... people that don't look like the officer engaging in the activity. It is so bad now, that when i hear circumstances or details of a story, i try and guess who the victim is before a "tell" is given. The victim is never a blonde woman or a man of Jewish origin.

Go figure.

[Brackneyc]

But they AREN'T disproportionately killing blacks. You are reasoning from a place of emotion rather than data. That never works. If the statistics are faulty, then you can surely pick them apart... unless of course, you can't be bothered with pesky data and annoying facts....your feelings are all that matters.

Worse than that, our legislators (on both sides of the isle) are creating law based on emotion, and of course, votes.