ANY routine will have very little mass gain for the first 6 weeks, the novice lifter just isnt efficient enough and the body is running below optimal till DOMS go away. It will be this way with all routines. If you want you can try 5x5 its also very good, it goes up 30lbs a month on upper and 60lbs lower, but once you get in the grove you will be doing monthly 10% deloads, so like others said its a wash once you are on a roll with either program. Since 5x5 is 3 lifts, allpro is 7, and you get to bench OHP 3x a week on all pro, 5x5 is bench either once or twice a week.
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07-24-2014, 12:11 PM #3001
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07-24-2014, 12:28 PM #3002
You dont have 2400 and 1860 days. First, your body is repairing and growing on 1860 days, and the 2400 days take longer to digest. Your TDEE is not going to vary more than 100-200 cals on lift vs non lift days. Just pick somethng like 2300 and stick with it for 2 weeks, if the scale is not moving in the direction you want it to, adjust 250 cals every 2 weeks till it does. Hell in 2 months if you put on 2-3lbs of muscle, your TDEE is going to be 150+ cals greater anyway.
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07-24-2014, 01:10 PM #3003
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07-24-2014, 01:11 PM #3004
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07-24-2014, 02:17 PM #3005
- Join Date: Oct 2008
- Location: Spokane, Washington, United States
- Posts: 94
- Rep Power: 190
Interesting. I guess I just figured I was burning at least 500 cals more on a training day than a non-training day since one I am busting my hump and the other I am doing jack squat. Considering upping from a 10% over maintenance to 15 and just doing that on a consistent basis. Prob not a bad idea considering my target was 2465 and I took in 2700+ and weighed in less than when I was a cardio maniac for awhile.
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07-24-2014, 02:50 PM #3006
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=135025731
V2 is the simplest and closest to allpro beginner. Its in the 4-8 rep range, so you could technically say its alittle more strength based. The whole "rep range for strength vs hypertrophy" is BS. Your either training for singles for strength for competition, or your trying to increase the cross sectional area of the muscle. There is no mix.
Intermediate 2
All Pro Split
5 week cycle
A
Bench Presses do 4 work sets rep scheme 4-5-6-7-8 Do 2 warm up sets. 25% of the work set weight for 15 reps and 50% of the work set weight for 10 reps.
Bent-Over Rows do 4 work sets rep scheme 4-5-6-7-8
Overhead Barbell Presses do 2 work sets rep scheme 6-7-8-9-10
Barbell Curls do 2 work sets rep scheme 8-9-10-11-12
Tricep press do 2 work sets rep scheme 8-9-10-11-12
Hammer grip dumb bell press do 2 work sets rep scheme 8-9-10-11-12
Pull down do 2 work sets rep scheme 8-9-10-11-12
B
Squats do 4 work sets rep scheme 4-5-6-7-8 Do 2 warm up sets. 25% of the work set weight for 15 reps and 50% of the work set weight for 10 reps.
Leg extensions do 2 work sets rep scheme 8-10-12-15-20
Stiff-Legged Deadlifts do 2 work sets rep scheme 8-9-10-11-12
Leg curls do 2 work sets rep scheme 8-9-10-11-12
Calf Raises do 2 work sets rep scheme 8-10-12-15-20
Seated calf press do 2 work sets rep scheme 8-10-12-15-20
Add ab work
If you get all of the reps on week 5 add 5%
That should get you started. I would do this A/B/A then B/A/B until you come up to speed. Then try 4 work outs per week. A-B off. A-B off off.
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07-24-2014, 02:53 PM #3007
You might be busting your hump, but what do you think your body is doing on jack squat day, its repairing and growing, so its using nearly the same amount of cals. Now yea if you take a week off lifting, your off day TDEE will be down alot. For weekend research you can lookup the after burn affect for lifting vs steady state cardio.
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07-24-2014, 05:25 PM #3008
I seem to be running out of gas on my OHP last lift. Im on C1W2. Normal? Saw someone else say the same thing. 6-7 reps no problem and then a hela struggle.
Also my weight I dropped 5 lbs right away. And now I've been the same weight last 2 weeks no change. Lower calories or wait it out a few more weeks due to being a new lifter....?
THanks you all have been a huge inspiration and help!
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07-24-2014, 08:12 PM #3009
Hey nightanole, if I do All Pro v2 for my cut after I finish on All Pro SBR, could I do a/b/a b/a/b instead of 4 days a week, for the whole program? For the sake of helping my recovery. I know All Pro recommends starting on a/b/a and b/a/b, but then suggests switching to 4x/week.I also like to play soccer which really kills my recovery, so 4x a week I think would be too much work.
If I did that then, what would the rep progression be? Increase reps after 2 a's and 2 b's, and disregard the weekly increase?
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07-24-2014, 08:37 PM #3010
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07-25-2014, 12:27 AM #3011
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07-25-2014, 01:04 AM #3012
I'm in the middle of my beginner stage is this workout still worth doing?(coming from SS
Lifts
B 210
S 260
D 325***Baby face crew***
***WetBreasts is gonna make it crew***
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07-25-2014, 03:52 AM #3013
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07-25-2014, 04:38 AM #3014
So, yesterday was Cycle4 Test day.
Most of the lifts went well, except Bench and OHP. My wrist hurts as hell on Bench if I am not really focusing on placing my wrist in a good position, still managed all reps for Bench though, but gave up on the OHP. I did first set 12 reps easy, but then only 7 reps. My wrist was hurting too much to finish.
Moving on to novice next cycle, this should be the last cycle before Intermediate v2.Bench 255
Squat 355
Deadlift 450
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07-25-2014, 06:07 AM #3015
I just finished my heavy day, week 5 of cycle 2 (12 reps). I did miss a few reps of the last set on bench, row, and press but nailed everything else. Coming into the day I felt like I was going to kill it but I fizzled out (10/8/7 reps on those 3 exercises). The mental game can be a bitch..
I've read many posts but one question I have is it states 3 non-consecutive days a week. If I do M/W/F is it ok to just keep on the every other pattern say Sunday also or should I wait until Monday again. I've been doing every other and wonder if that is why I hit a wall per se. My calories and macros are where they should be and I'm getting plenty of rest in between. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!!
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07-25-2014, 06:56 AM #3016
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07-25-2014, 07:00 AM #3017
Not to discredit you, but all pro v2 is an intermediate routine. Unless you got your form down and have at least a 800lb power lifting total, it will crush you with shear volume. Even you noticed you need to start off at 3 days a week so you can work up to that volume. You progress the same if you are doing aba or abab, the extra day is when you need that volume. If you add the volume too early you will over reach and stall.
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07-25-2014, 07:45 AM #3018
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07-25-2014, 08:41 AM #3019
Hi,
I still have one week to go before my holiday, And that week is the start of Cycle 2, Should I start with Cycle 2 week 1 and go further with week 2 after my 2 week vacation? OR just do some cardio etc and start Cycle 2 when I'm back?
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07-25-2014, 08:51 AM #3020
OHP is always my toughest lift. Like Sader said, some of the previous lifts definitely have an affect. Also, I think it's the easiest lift to let "get in your head" and give up prematurely on... with it being an overhead lift and all. I've found that I can usually push out at least another rep or two after that "I'm done" thought crosses my mind on OHP. Of course it's better to be safe than sorry and only you know when you truly have nothing left in the tank.
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07-25-2014, 09:36 AM #3021
So today is C2W2 light day and I feel like this week has been my best week on the program so far. I've felt strong during my lifts and I've eaten very well. Cardio has felt good as well. I'm still sticking to my HIIT routine (or at least my version of it) which consists of jumping rope in the following pattern:
40 seconds high-knee skipping
20 second rest
Repeat for 10 minutes
Rest for 2-3 minutes
Repeat the whole thing twice more, for a routine that lasts about 35 mins in total.
The scale said 180lbs this AM, which is down a bit since the beginning of the week. I know there are natural fluctuations daily, but I've been weighing fairly regularly (multiple times per week at the same time of day) and it's been a while since I've been as low as the 180 mark. I'm going to measure myself this afternoon and see if I can get a body fat estimate. My scale says 19.6, but I know scales notoriously over-estimate, and I'm a middle-fat carrier type, so that's likely over-estimating me even more. I'm guessing I'm around 18-19, though.
My challenge this weekend will be to carry on with eating well, and not devolving into lazy pig mode. My plan to address this is to continue to track calories for the whole weekend, which is something I usually stop doing. I'm also going to build in a cheat meal (just one meal, not a whole day) so that I let myself off the hook, but with some control.
I'm feeling positive about my progress for the first time in a couple of weeks.
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07-25-2014, 01:47 PM #3022
On this allpro training programme do I perform all the exercises in 1 day? I thought you shouldn't train on more than one muscle a day
Cheers
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07-25-2014, 02:08 PM #3023
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07-25-2014, 02:31 PM #3024
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07-25-2014, 02:39 PM #3025
Follow Up
Height-5”11 TDEE-2249
Weight-134 BMR- 1635
Just started this workout this week and I finished my third day. I really just tried to get the pain out this week.
The first day I did not have energy to finish all the exercises. I tried to cut some fat off my body while working out and apparently I was not using the right approach.
The second day I was able to finish all my exercises, it took be about an 1.5hrs because it was really difficult for me. I was trying to find my ORM this time. I did my best to be accurate.
The third day I was able to finish all my exercises in little over an hour however I fatigued before I could finish all the reps in some sets.
My workout weight looks like this at the moment-
Squat- 65,75,90,90 x8
Bench press- 65,75,75,75 x8
Bent Over Rows- 55,60,65,65 x8 (My legs wobble so much when I do this because my leg muscles are
fatigued really badly. I try really hard to focus on my form)
Overhead Barbell Press-45, 45, 45, 45 x8 (I am not able to finish all the reps by the 3rd,4thset)
Stiff Legged Deadlifts- 55,55,55,55 x8
Barbell Curls- 30,30,30,30 x12 ( I want to do 40x8 but it was really hard)
Seated calf raises- I just added a 25lb plate x12
My questions
-What do I need to improve? Should I readjust my ORM this week?
- What do I do if I can’t finish all the reps in a set? Do I stop for a few seconds and push out the last 3 or just end and proceed to the next set?
- When you see my pictures I am guessing I have like 20% Body fat? Is that bad or good?
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07-25-2014, 04:02 PM #3026
Hey,
I should be on a last cycle of the beginner routine and was thinking of moving to the V2 because it is the more closely related to the beginner version, starting out with the 3times/week for the first cycle.
I was concerned about the "800 power lifting total" as my lifts aren't that high and thought it depended on bw. My lifts for the next cycle will be in the novice rep range.
Lifts WILL be; (lbs)
Bench: 125 (4-8)
Squats: 145 (4-8)
Bor: 120 (4-8)
OHP: 50 (Failed last cycle, wrist pain)
SLDL: 120
Curls: 60
Calf raises: Whatever I feel like doing, I use dumbbells to do grip strength at the same time.
Accessory : Thinking of switching Reverse Grip Bench Press to Arnold Press.
Would those lifts be enough to move to V2 ?Bench 255
Squat 355
Deadlift 450
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07-25-2014, 04:19 PM #3027
Holy bro your way off. If your squat is 90 your warm up should be 22.5 45 then two work sets of 90
Bp and bor the same 1/4 1/2 your wirk set weight to warm up. Then the two work sets. All the other lifts are two working sets at your designated weight not 4.
Hope this helps
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07-25-2014, 04:50 PM #3028
Not even close. You will progress almost 2x faster if you keep on the linear progression beginner routine. If you want another test, since you are a light weight; bw for 12 bench and 1.5x bw for 12 squat. And 800lb power lifting total is very low bar, some can run beginner routines to 1000lb totals before they have to switch to a slower progressing intermediate routine. Yes i said it, intermediate routines are hell of a lot slower, they have to be or the lifter will stall. Even at full bore, v2 is half the progression of stock beginner. If you want "mad gainz", run beginner and once you pass cycle1, run the rest of the cycles on a 1kg bulk while pushing the progression 15% (the max of the program before massive stalling). If you cant progress the 15%, cut the bulk in half and run stock 10%.
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07-25-2014, 06:22 PM #3029
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07-25-2014, 06:46 PM #3030
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