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    Originally Posted by Filmbuff81 View Post
    Box squats and low bar? Wrong advice for someone trying to Oly lift.

    Some pause squats would be fine, but noooooooooooo to box squats and low bar.
    Very true. Keep forgetting she's an oly lifter facepalm.jpg
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    Rehab Day 4 + DL's

    Feb 11

    I feel good. Like really good, like better than I've felt in a long time. I can move. I can SNATCH. I didn't drop the bar once. It was super easy. My form feels completely different, my torso stays vertical in the hole and the bar stays close and travels up straight. I can jerk and OHP and my shoulder doesn't hurt for the first time I can remember. I exercised restraint (whaaat?) and stayed with the bar.

    Warmup
    hot tub & swimming
    foam rolling, ball rolling

    Snatches
    hip snatches, power snatches and full snatches with bar, sets of 2

    Clean & Jerks
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    Deadlifts
    95x10 deficit
    115x10 deficit
    135 x6 x3sets - easy, lots left in tank

    OHP's
    45 x8 x2 easy and my right side works again

    Upper Body Rehab
    band pull aparts
    btn band pull aparts
    shoulder dislocations with band
    lat raises 10lbs
    lat pd's 20reps x3sets
    decline situps 20x2sets and 30x1
    shoulder and back dynamic and suspended stretching with band attached to pull-up bars
    rumble and ball rolling back, lats & shoulders

    Lower Body Rehab
    rumble and ball rolling with focus on IT band and glutes
    flossing knees with resistance band
    static hip, hammy, glute stretches

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    Originally Posted by wakechica View Post
    Very true. Keep forgetting she's an oly lifter facepalm.jpg
    Lol I do appreciate the effort! And it would be good advice if I was just trying to squat as much as possible. Imma keep listening to mr. 315 x 11, then 225 x 20 though
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    shame there's a big bit of water between us, I reckon we'd be great gym buddies. Pretty much same stats. Oh and same color hair Nice workout - HOT TUB. GTFO!!!
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    Originally Posted by izzygrant View Post
    Feb 11

    I feel good. Like really good, like better than I've felt in a long time. I can move. I can SNATCH. I didn't drop the bar once. It was super easy. My form feels completely different, my torso stays vertical in the hole and the bar stays close and travels up straight. I can jerk and OHP and my shoulder doesn't hurt for the first time I can remember. I exercised restraint (whaaat?) and stayed with the bar.
    Donotbelieve .

    Glad to hear you're feeling better hun. Get some of that recovery my way please, kthanks.
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    Am I reading correctly?

    10 rep set of "speed pulls" on deadlifts? theres no such thing. maybe 10 singles.. but not 10 reps

    gj on the rehab/prehab though.
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    Originally Posted by wakechica View Post
    shame there's a big bit of water between us, I reckon we'd be great gym buddies. Pretty much same stats. Oh and same color hair Nice workout - HOT TUB. GTFO!!!
    It is too bad, I'd love to work out with my stronger twin. You jelly!!

    Originally Posted by FrmrHoss View Post
    Donotbelieve .

    Glad to hear you're feeling better hun. Get some of that recovery my way please, kthanks.
    Thanks! We had a 3 day weekend here in Canada and I spent pretty much all of it rolling, stretching, and working with barbie dumbbells. Took forever but worth it.

    Originally Posted by samsont View Post
    Am I reading correctly?

    10 rep set of "speed pulls" on deadlifts? theres no such thing. maybe 10 singles.. but not 10 reps

    gj on the rehab/prehab though.
    Lolllll. You like to call me out on terminology misuse. I just meant I focused on doing them as fast as possible. Thanks, feelsgoodman.
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    Originally Posted by izzygrant View Post
    I just meant I focused on doing them as fast as possible.
    So normally, you don't focus on doing lifts as fast as possible?
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    So normally, you don't focus on doing lifts as fast as possible?
    lmao, this.
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    Originally Posted by arian11 View Post
    So normally, you don't focus on doing lifts as fast as possible?
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    lmao, this.
    poor izzy, getting two 200+ dudes ganging up on her. What is the world coming to?
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    poor izzy, getting two 200+ dudes ganging up on her. What is the world coming to?
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    Originally Posted by arian11 View Post
    So normally, you don't focus on doing lifts as fast as possible?
    Originally Posted by TheStigIsBig View Post
    lmao, this.
    No, actually. Given that the sports medicine professionals I'm working with to address the damage I did to myself long-distance running for too many years only gave me the go-ahead to deadlift at all in December, and did so then only reluctantly, I've been focused on very strict form for every DL rep (keeping lumbar curve etc) so as not to break myself. Not all of us choose to deadlift with perfectly round backs or fail twice on our max attempts and get stuck with 495.

    Anything else?

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    Originally Posted by izzygrant View Post
    No, actually. Given that the sports medicine professionals I'm working with to address the damage I did to myself long-distance running for too many years only gave me the go-ahead to deadlift at all in December, and did so then only reluctantly, I've been focused on very strict form for every DL rep (keeping lumbar curve etc) so as not to break myself. Not all of us choose to deadlift with perfectly round backs or fail twice on our max attempts and get stuck with 495.

    Anything else?

    ps KC I can handle these bitches.
    So now you are suggesting that lifting slowly is the only way to keep good form and make smart attempt selections?
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    Originally Posted by arian11 View Post
    So now you are suggesting that lifting slowly is the only way to keep good form and make smart attempt selections?
    Not at all. I'm saying it's the way I chose to keep good form when figuring DL's out. Maybe you should try it (or something) so you don't have to take days off work to lie on your couch after deadlifting.
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    Originally Posted by izzygrant View Post
    Not at all. I'm saying it's the way I chose to keep good form when figuring DL's out. Maybe you should try it (or something) so you don't have to take days off work to lie on your couch after deadlifting.
    Jakes on you, I don't own a couch and if I'm going to quit I might as well use up my sick/vacation days. Will hit bench PR today and high bar squat PR tomorrow.
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    You don't fail on deadlifts yet because you haven't hit real weight yet lol


    You can still pull fast with good form. Its called practice.
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    Originally Posted by arian11 View Post
    Jakes on you, I don't own a couch and if I'm going to quit I might as well use up my sick/vacation days. Will hit bench PR today and high bar squat PR tomorrow.
    I stand corrected, your poverty floor where you belong. Your high bar squat PR is only going to be because you never do that lift, so it's not like it's impressive.

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    You don't fail on deadlifts yet because you haven't hit real weight yet lol


    You can still pull fast with good form. Its called practice.
    Absolutely. And now that I've had a bit of practice, that's what I did yesterday.
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    Originally Posted by izzygrant View Post
    No, actually. Given that the sports medicine professionals I'm working with to address the damage I did to myself long-distance running for too many years only gave me the go-ahead to deadlift at all in December, and did so then only reluctantly, I've been focused on very strict form for every DL rep (keeping lumbar curve etc) so as not to break myself. Not all of us choose to deadlift with perfectly round backs or fail twice on our max attempts and get stuck with 495.
    Anything else?

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    Originally Posted by TheStigIsBig View Post
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    Nope, just educating you.

    Resorting to misc memes all you got left?
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    Originally Posted by izzygrant View Post
    Nope, just educating you.

    Resorting to misc memes all you got left?
    You educated no one in that post.

    The focus on your lumbar curve should be stressed at setup. Which should have no effect on how fast you pull.

    Set up correctly, pull the slack out of the bar, then pull with speed.
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    Originally Posted by TheStigIsBig View Post
    You educated no one in that post.

    The focus on your lumbar curve should be stressed at setup. Which should have no effect on how fast you pull.

    Set up correctly then pull with speed.
    strong ninja edit.

    arian asked a question. You echoed it. I answered. Do I need to educate you on the definition of "educating", too?

    I agree. But given my pre-existing issues, I chose to be cautious when starting out so as not to injure myself.
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    Originally Posted by izzygrant View Post
    strong ninja edit.

    arian asked a question. You echoed it. I answered. Do I need to educate you on the definition of "educating", too?

    I agree. But given my pre-existing issues, I chose to be cautious when starting out so as not to injure myself.
    You said strong

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    Originally Posted by izzygrant View Post
    But given my pre-existing issues, I chose to be cautious when starting out so as not to injure myself.
    Wouldn't slowing down the lift cause more time under tension, energy expenditure, and overall fatigue of the muscles increasing the chances of injury?
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    Originally Posted by TheStigIsBig View Post
    You said strong

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    And this, ladies and gentlemen, is how to fuk him till he loves you.

    Originally Posted by arian11 View Post
    Wouldn't slowing down the lift cause more time under tension, energy expenditure, and overall fatigue of the muscles increasing the chances of injury?
    You could argue that. But for a novice lifter pulling relatively light weights, I think the chances of injury occasioned by ripping it off the floor without due regard for form are greater. Also, starting out is the right time to pattern the correct movement so when the weights get genuinely heavy it is automatic.
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    Originally Posted by izzygrant View Post
    You could argue that. But for a novice lifter pulling relatively light weights, I think the chances of injury occasioned by ripping it off the floor without due regard for form are greater. Also, starting out is the right time to pattern the correct movement so when the weights get genuinely heavy it is automatic.
    I never said without due regard for form. Also, who has more injuries, you or me? So correct form will pattern the correct movement so it is automatic at heavy weights...but going slow will not pattern the slow movement so it is automatic at heavy weights? My famous little Mexican sister said it best when discussing speed and technique,

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    Originally Posted by arian11 View Post
    I never said without due regard for form. Also, who has more injuries, you or me? So correct form will pattern the correct movement so it is automatic at heavy weights...but going slow will not pattern the slow movement so it is automatic at heavy weights? My famous little Mexican sister said it best when discussing speed and technique,
    I came into this game with more injuries than you. Ideally you develop the ability to do both relatively quickly, and soon enough that going slowly doesn't become ingrained and therefore a problem at higher weights. But the first few times you deadlift, you're figuring out what you're doing. As a general proposition, people learn lifts by breaking them down, starting out light, and giving themselves enough time during the lift to figure out what they're doing from a form perspective before adding speed. But you know all that and now your trolling has just become shameless.
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    Originally Posted by izzygrant View Post
    and soon enough that going slowly doesn't become ingrained and therefore a problem at higher weights.
    So by your theory, soon enough that correct form doesn't become ingrained and therefore a problem at higher weights?
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    Originally Posted by arian11 View Post
    So by your theory, soon enough that correct form doesn't become ingrained and therefore a problem at higher weights?
    Ideally form stays the same and speed becomes the variable you deliberately change as you become more experienced (along with weight of course). Not to say that bad habits can't be unlearned, but better that's not neccessary.
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    Originally Posted by izzygrant View Post
    Ideally form stays the same and speed becomes the variable you deliberately change as you become more experienced (along with weight of course). Not to say that bad habits can't be unlearned, but better that's not neccessary.
    So then why are you implementing the bad habit of pulling slowly that you are going to have to unlearn at a later point? You keep trying to apply these reasoning for why disregarding form is bad when nobody claimed you should do that. But then when someone tries to extend your reasoning to a bad habit, such as lifting slowly on purpose, you try to come up with some excuse as to why that extension can't be made.

    You've already admitted that you didn't know how to maintain your body while you were a runner and whatever else you did prior to lifting. And you have shown that you don't know how to maintain your body when it comes to lifting through the issues you've had lately. Which begs the question, why do you believe what you are doing is right and the advice everyone else here is giving you is incorrect? Stig has played football and golf prior to powerlifting and has brought injuries from those sports to powerlifting and he doesn't have bad form when he lifts. Yet you seem to disregard his advice solely because he let his ego get in his way a bit when he attempted a PR....kinda like this Canadian chick I know that does the samething all the time. And you seem to disregard my advice because of prior poor deadlifting technique that had nothing to do with pulling speed. I'm still not sure why you ignore samsont's advice.

    People try to help girl in achieving her goals. Girl tries to disprove people's logic by attacking them personally with no logical connection to the discussion at hand.

    Typical woman logic is typical.
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    Stig what is your handicap? hijacking thread for the sake of golf talk for a moment.
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