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    what is considered strong?

    hi guys. im a boxer. im also verry weak. and have terrible stamina. i know people say strength has no bearing on boxing but im sure it must. ive decided im going to work my way up to being considerably strong for my weight, then just work on stamina from then on. so yeah what is considered stong? what should my lifts look like? i presume i will be fighting at 155lbs.
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    you are considered strong when you can do a cock push up
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    How are you a boxer with TERRIBLE stamina?
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    Originally Posted by Tracey128 View Post
    How are you a boxer with TERRIBLE stamina?
    ^^

    Confused me also.
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    Originally Posted by bowlie View Post
    hi guys. im a boxer. im also verry weak. and have terrible stamina. i know people say strength has no bearing on boxing but im sure it must. ive decided im going to work my way up to being considerably strong for my weight, then just work on stamina from then on. so yeah what is considered stong? what should my lifts look like? i presume i will be fighting at 155lbs.
    I'd say when you can bench deadlift and squat more than your bodyweight
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    3/4/5 plates for bench/squat/dead.

    2/3/4 plates for those lifts within 1 year.
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    Originally Posted by Laissezfaire View Post
    3/4/5 plates for bench/squat/dead.

    2/3/4 plates for those lifts within 1 year.
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    Originally Posted by Tracey128 View Post
    How are you a boxer with TERRIBLE stamina?
    well i havnt been boxing long. thinking about it it is probably quite good. just not compared to people that have been boxing years instead of months.
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    Originally Posted by AnhNguyenn View Post
    I'd say when you can bench deadlift and squat more than your bodyweight
    well i can squat and deadlift more now. but i cant bench because of a shoulder injury. my DB press is about 44lbs
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    Weight room strength doesn't matter one bit, you need strength that is functionable towards your sport.
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    Originally Posted by Roman_God View Post
    Weight room strength doesn't matter one bit, you need strength that is functionable towards your sport.
    I've heard of boxers who got a lot of benefits out of strength training on some of their off days from boxing. It seems logical to assume that a stronger boxer will make a better boxer given the same conditioning and training.

    Edit: Even BW stuff would help, I should think.
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    Originally Posted by AnhNguyenn View Post
    I'd say when you can bench deadlift and squat more than your bodyweight
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    well i can squat and deadlift more now. but i cant bench because of a shoulder injury. my DB press is about 44lbs
    You're a weak ****
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    Originally Posted by davidkap View Post
    You're an idiot

    You're a weak ****


    this.


    being strong isn't being able to squat/deadlift/bench more than their weight. I'm weak as **** and i can do all of those things.
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    Originally Posted by Laissezfaire View Post
    3/4/5 plates for bench/squat/dead.

    2/3/4 plates for those lifts within 1 year.
    strength judgements need to take weight and size into account

    6'8 250 pulling 500lbs is very different from 5'8 180 pulling 500lbs.
    Excuses are for people that need them.
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    Originally Posted by take3 View Post
    strength judgements need to take weight and size into account

    6'8 250 pulling 500lbs is very different from 5'8 180 pulling 500lbs.
    I think 500 is a good milestone weight for a Deadlift.
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    ok like i said strength isnt everything in a fight. it barely makes a difference. it is speed, experience and technice. but like someone said i am a weakling. if i want to be good at boxing i cant just focus on strength the whole time though because other things like stamina and speed are more important. so im just looking for a strength target i can work towards.
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    The key to boxing is speed, strength and being agile.

    Well you will know when your strong, I believe being strong is just as vital as having good stamina/speed. When you build strength and utilse that strength with correct technique your punch can get alot harder.

    It's like why sprinters build the leg muscles in the legs so they can sprint faster.

    Being strong also gives you alot of confidence in the ring, trust me.

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    " Mike Tyson went crazy beyond weight training, he was a heavy squatter. He trained
    more like a powerlifter slash bodybuilder. But, he knew his body and knew what he was
    made of. To train heavy like him is not for most. Remember when Evander Holyfield hired
    Lee Haney Mr. Olympia 8 times. Holyfield had Haney help him to put on size.

    My point being, weight training is a necessary tool for the boxer. You do need strength
    behind your punches. To train only for speed will not make you a power puncher. A hard
    puncher/hitter must come from somewhere. Even to develop your legs with weight
    training will give you more power behind your punch, it will generate power from the
    ground up to your punch. In the ring, your body will more readily take to the punches".


    "Here are 3 categories that should be included in your boxing training. The following in no
    particular order.

    1) Basic Weight Training. Purpose: To build a solid foundation, giving you muscle density.
    Workouts to consist of compound movements for each muscle group. Compound exercises
    would be your Bench Presses, Shoulder Presses, Squats and/or Leg Presses, Deadlifts (or
    Partial Pulls), etc. These exercises will develop strength, along with helping to increase
    balance throughout the body.

    Calories should be monitored so that the physical size being gained is muscle and not
    body fat.

    2) Explosive Movements/Fast Twitch. This would be Power Cleans, Dumbbell Snatches,
    Dumbbell Power Jumps. This type of training will increase speed and power explosiveness.
    Be very careful, the joints can take a beating. This is why strength weight training as
    mentioned above is important (a solid foundation).

    3) Body Exercises and Core Training. This would be exercises such as Pullups, Pushups,
    Karate Squats, Box Runs, Medicine Ball. These exercises will preserve the Boxer's body
    for its operational/functional purposes."


    Another quote "Consider the scenario where two equally skilled boxers face off inside the ring. Suppose each fighter has similar experience, speed, and power. What separates the two individuals? While several factors will affect the outcome, such as the style and courage of each athlete, one factor often overlooked is the relative strength of each fighter. Essentially, if two fighters are equal in skill, the stronger man is often victorious. In this situation, a proper weight training program can provide an advantage to the fighter. "

    Focus on compounds, I'd say what I would consider strong is:

    Bench Presses - 100Kg+ 220 pounds
    Shoulder Presses - 70-80Kg 150 pounds +
    Squats - 120-140kg - 260 pounds +
    Deadlifts - 150kg + 330 pounds

    Aim for those numbers, obviouslly you weigh 160 pounds so most of those figures will be hard to achieve.
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    thanks thats exactly what i was looking for. cheers. for shoulder press is that the same as millitary press? and do you do it with DB's or a barbell? thanks
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    thanks thats exactly what i was looking for. cheers. for shoulder press is that the same as millitary press? and do you do it with DB's or a barbell? thanks
    Yup same thing pretty much, and use whatever you prefer somesay using dumbells is more effective due to range of motion and also feels better on the shoulders.
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    Yup same thing pretty much, and use whatever you prefer somesay using dumbells is more effective due to range of motion and also feels better on the shoulders.
    ok awsome. is that 70kg both DB's? because just one seems a bit excessive
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    im 155 and i think im strong.
    so if you naturally are a good fighter,
    can bench more than 200 pounds.
    can work out for an hour in a half wanting more and not tierd.
    and im talking about intense weight. no breaks really,
    and can do high reps with high weight many times with no fatige,
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    Originally Posted by MyoFit23 View Post
    im 155 and i think im strong.
    so if you naturally are a good fighter,
    can bench more than 200 pounds.
    can work out for an hour in a half wanting more and not tierd.
    and im talking about intense weight. no breaks really,
    and can do high reps with high weight many times with no fatige,
    You sir, are an idiot.

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    boxers are just old school now, MMA is where it's at now, the heavyweight champion boxer thought MMA was full of ***sies......... He got knocked out in under a minute, MMA fighters are the S***
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    Originally Posted by AryanRage View Post
    You sir, are an idiot.

    Minimum strength- (Raw)

    Military press- 1x bw
    Bench press- 1.5x bw
    Power clean- 1.5x bw
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    Deadlift- 2.5x bw
    An idiot how?
    because im stronger than you.
    you mad?
    little girl troll. grow up you dumb fuc
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