I have zero desire to sell BCAA's to kids. It's not our demo nor the market we go after. There is more value in the older generation, not the younger.
Depends on how you define bodybuilder. The biggest mistake most companies make is thinking their a brand, when they're not.Now we're stuck eating each other's lunch, going after the same 27 year old bodybuilder who happens to be on a caloric deficit... or doing some BS borderline-unethical marketing about taking this during a bulk. Either way, it's too small of a market and what you get are all of us companies taking giant dumps all over each others' carpets.
MP has lost 50 million dollars since inception. Not sure they're a model anyone can realistically follow. Their distribution has nothing to do with being successful as much as loss leading. Such as losing 16m one year on 4m in revenue.So rather than mess with his nonsense, MusclePharm starts branding Amino1 as "The Athlete's Cocktail". A less scary name, and definitely a shift. And now it's in Costco... queue itsbeginning.gif
Sack up? What, are we 5 years old? The reason bcaa's RTD's haven't been made in efficacious doses is stability. We've worked on it for 18 months as a combo project with Glanbia. The downside is that means ABB will get it, but is what it is. We couldn't have done it without their assistance. We're still flavoring at this point.So my question to the Mike McCandlesses and Vaughns out there... who's gonna sack up and take it a full nine and just rebrand this as a "SPORTS DRINK" and go after a totally new market? Why not?
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Hey Mike, I didn't mean for that to come off insulting, I was definitely fired up this morning.
What I was saying is that I think that BCAAs deserve to be in the hands of sports athletes. With that comes the kids... because kids look up to those types of athletes. Right now, people only find them BCAAs if actively research and know to look for them, and I think that's a shame. The products/companies that aggressively market to this athlete market are basically salted sugar junk.
Noted on MP... I thought they were back in the black, but forgot that it's due to massive investment, not revenue.
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what no one discusses, but is of course the most important question, is whether BCAAs are stable in solution for extended periods. We all know that creatine in water goes bad in, what, 24 hours or less? What it converts to is creatinine, which is not a helpful thing to be consuming. When you see an RTD on the shelf that has been sitting in various temperatures for weeks or months on end, do you really think that all the aminos and other ingredients have not destabilized? Do you think that the companies selling these products really care if the label ingredients are still bioavailable for human consumption? Who is going to know? As long as the product tastes alright, no one will even question it.
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I recall layne norton stating BCAA's are stable for periods of days once mixed up.
What makes you think Creatine goes bad in 24 hours once mixed up? What source do you have to back this claim up?
Who is going to know? Companies who 3rd party test their products and show the COA of the product and Mike from Scivation does not hesitate to show you his whey has been tested and is legit, Xtend is tested and legit etc. he is one of the owners i respect the most because of how when he does formulate a product he backs it up by making sure you get what is exactly on the label and does not try to give you a filler full product that tastes good, he will give you a good tasting product that meets label claims.
i know if you search the forms you can find older threads that show documents like these:
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By law, if you put an expiration date on a supplement you have to be within 5% of label claim at the point of expiration. There are only a handful of acceleration chambers in the country and 90% of companies in our industry have never used them. It will be the single biggest downfall of this industry in 2-5 lawyers. Lawyers are stocking up on products and letting them sit untouched. They will wait till expiration, test them and then sue the piss out of everyone that is off. You can save this post and in 2016-17 come back and say damn he was right.
We know how long our version can stay shelf stable. Within 5 months I'll know what it looks like 2 years post production. You are right most companies don't care, but there are some of us that actually give a ****.
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Wait, is Blox BCAA now? Was unaware
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I'm pretty sure your wrong, but care to elaborate...
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07-10-2014, 03:07 AM #47
Bumping this thread.
Looks like MusclePharm is indeed making an Amino1 RTD. This is basically what I'd been asking for.
Bets on whether or not it will work out for them? Can they take a bite out of Gatorate/Powerade's market?
Edit: Yeah, they're going after it: Clinical Research Study in Nutrition Journal Demonstrates That MusclePharm(R) Amino1(TM) Rehydrates Faster Than Water and Gatorade(R) ... got my blog post material for the dayLast edited by PricePlow; 07-10-2014 at 03:12 AM.
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"Overall, there appears to be a potential benefit of a BCAA and/or potassium containing beverage on intracellular hydration. However, it is not clear from the present study which of the two solutes are driving this process" http://www.nutritionj.com/content/13/1/47
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It's live:
Amino1 vs Gatorade – Can MusclePharm take on Sports Drinks?
It's long reading for the bathroom, but I'd love any comments. I've wanted this for nearly a decade. Does this warrant its own thread?Founder of PricePlow - Bodybuilding.com Affiliate
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