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09-26-2021, 05:52 PM #91
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09-26-2021, 06:39 PM #92
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09-26-2021, 10:20 PM #96
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09-26-2021, 10:24 PM #97
I’m the same way actually. I’d like to see a legitimate, long-term study on the effects of varying levels of SFAs on testosterone levels compared to other high fat diets. I’m also curious as to whether the source of said Sat. Fats matters. Would egg yolks have the same effect as say butter or full fat dairy?
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09-26-2021, 10:43 PM #98
I agree, would be a very interesting study.
Maybe you’ll find this interesting:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...60076021000716
The low fat diets included in the review were consistently lower in MUFAs and SFAs and the authors suggest that these may both have a beneficial effect on test levels, or that too much PUFAs have a negative effect. Matches my experience tbh if we go by libido/mood.The first principle is that you must not fool yourself—and you are the easiest person to fool.
- Richard Feynman
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09-27-2021, 04:51 AM #99
I’ll find the link later in tonight to a men’s health article where one writer in his 30s went from late 300’s to over 800 in 3 months. Got some news for you guys and don’t get scared!
His breakfast every day for the duration was bacon and eggs and he had a red meat for lunch every weekday (in addition to his giant salad).
He also got leaner and stronger but yes he was exercising. He also does an 8 year update years later.
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09-27-2021, 04:56 AM #100
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09-27-2021, 05:47 AM #101
I’ll do it if you can convince me that increasing test levels within the natty range actually has an important effect on muscle building!
I honestly think that at this point I can «feel» how diet choices affect my mood/drive/performance - sounds stupid maybe but I think Strawng has said something similar before?The first principle is that you must not fool yourself—and you are the easiest person to fool.
- Richard Feynman
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09-27-2021, 06:35 AM #102
Anything that improves your quality of
Life to a greater degree than it shortens it is, by definition, Healthy!
Red meat boosts testosterone
Red meat boosts iron
Red meat tastes amazing
Red meat goes perfectly with cheese and bread- ie cheesesteaks, cheeseburgers, pizza with extra cheese and meat"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."
Old Guy deadlifting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zMrim-0Dks
bench press https://youtu.be/GaRzfueJVJQ
Every workout is GAME DAY!
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09-27-2021, 07:23 AM #103
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09-27-2021, 07:33 AM #104
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09-27-2021, 07:44 AM #105
Not sure how often I could do lab-results (and I faint whenever I'm stuck with a needle and apparently it's hard to bring me back, can't help it), but I'd legitimately try an experiment like this for at least a couple of months. Wouldn't do it before January though.
Even though it's not necessary to achieve a good physique or maintain good health, it certainly helps the former and I'm not convinced it's especially dangerous regarding the latter, all the more so if your bloodwork ends up coming back fine after subsisting on it for a while.
So, if someone wants to delivery me meat I'm certainly game (lol), but otherwise I'd volunteer to do a less formal study on my own and self-report. I'd get bloodwork done at least once, at the end, but not sure if I'd do it more frequently because it makes me sick every time.Bench: 350
Squat: 405
Deadlift: 505
"... But always, there remained, the discipline of steel!"
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09-27-2021, 08:31 AM #106
Doesn’t sound stupid at all.
And I’m not the guy to convince you…if someone believes having levels in the low normal range vs the high normal range works best for them so be it. Me personally, I’d rather be in the optimal to reap the health and performance benefits. If you wanna talk about the mental and psychological benefits that’s an even bigger benefit.
The list goes on. Like comparing a fine tuned Porsche cup engine to an entry level volkswagen 4 banger.
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09-27-2021, 08:35 AM #107
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09-27-2021, 09:35 AM #108
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No, there's nothing special about red meat. But there are some benefits to eating it in moderation (too many people cut it out of their diet..)
1. When I'm cutting, I tend to eat more red meat as the fat in it is satiating.
2. The saturated fat and cholesterol boosts testosterone levels.
3. Whether, I'm cutting, maintaining, or bulking, the extra fat helps keeps my blood sugar levels in check.
4. Beef is cheaper around here than many other protein sources."The Iron never lies to you. You can walk outside and listen to all kinds of talk, get told that youre a god or a total bastard. The Iron will always kick you the real deal. The Iron is the great reference point, the all-knowing perspective giver. Always there like a beacon in the pitch black. I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds." -Henry Rollins
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09-27-2021, 10:10 AM #109
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09-27-2021, 10:16 AM #110
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Ribeyes are $14.99/pound here in family packs.
I buy leaner cuts of meat when they are inexpensive; sirloins and round steaks. I picked up a package of sirloins for $5.99/pound at the store on Saturday. Chicken breasts are running $6.99/pound. Most of my protein is turkey though; people don't buy ground turkey or turkey cutlets much around here and they're always on sale at some point. 93/7 ground turkey was $2.99/pound at a grocery store chain here last month."The Iron never lies to you. You can walk outside and listen to all kinds of talk, get told that youre a god or a total bastard. The Iron will always kick you the real deal. The Iron is the great reference point, the all-knowing perspective giver. Always there like a beacon in the pitch black. I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds." -Henry Rollins
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09-28-2021, 09:41 AM #111
Very recent study, perhaps relevant to the thread.
https://academic.oup.com/jn/article/151/5/1190/6165015
«Anabolic efficiency (net protein balance/caloric intake) was greater in the beef group than all the other groups (P < 0.05). The egg, pork loin, and tofu groups were greater for anabolic efficiency than the kidney bean, peanut butter, and mixed-nuts groups (P < 0.05). The kidney bean group was greater than the peanut butter and mixed-nuts groups (P < 0.05)»
But this is probably not important as long as the overall protein intake is sufficient?The first principle is that you must not fool yourself—and you are the easiest person to fool.
- Richard Feynman
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09-28-2021, 09:53 AM #112
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09-28-2021, 09:54 AM #113
Thanks for sharing. It seems important as the article states:
The improvement in whole-body net protein balance was due to an increase in protein synthesis (P < 0.05) with all the animal protein sources, whereas the egg and pork groups also suppressed protein breakdown compared with the plant protein sources (P < 0.01).
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09-28-2021, 10:08 AM #114
Meant to write «perhaps» not «probably» lol
What I meant is that it may not matter that much for actual muscle building. Suppose two groups of lifters each consistently eat 1 gram protein/lb bodyweight and one of the groups rely way more on beef than the other group. Do we think the meat group will gain more muscle when the overall protein intake is already (more than) optimal in both groups?The first principle is that you must not fool yourself—and you are the easiest person to fool.
- Richard Feynman
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09-28-2021, 10:33 AM #115
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