Anthony Joshua vs Andy Ruiz II

[armies]

[Mark1T]

"Punch drunk" is a real thing, brah...............

Yes and it is sad, because Evander is my all-time favorite boxer.

Ruiz is too dangerous, he's like the Mexican version of Mike Tyson, one punch and you are out or at least in a lot of trouble

A lot of factors. Ruiz is dangerous, but I think also that Joshua didn't take him seriously enough on the first fight and his ego got in the way. That on top of Joshua being too heavy, too muscular and light training just spells a loss waiting to happen. You have to take everyone serious, especially if you're the champion.

[armies]

Yes and it is sad, because Evander is my all-time favorite boxer.



A lot of factors. Ruiz is dangerous, but I think also that Joshua didn't take him seriously enough on the first fight and his ego got in the way. That on top of Joshua being too heavy, too muscular and light training just spells a loss waiting to happen. You have to take everyone serious, especially if you're the champion.

Idk about all that.

[Mark1T]

Idk about all that.

Ok, please guarantee us that Ruiz is going to win.

Saying he is too dangerous isn't saying much. Yes, he is a good fighter. I just believe it will be a better fight this time because Joshua paid the price of not taking him serious enough. I'm not saying that Joshua would have won anyway. Just saying this fight, whoever wins or loses, should be more competitive.

[Irvine405]

he's like the mexican version of mike tyson

lol !

[ElrondHubbard]

Idk about all that.

I don't think the chain of vids you posted really demonstrates how awesome Ruiz is. Most of those are examples of failed defense on the part of Joshua. Very often, Ruiz was letting his guard down, and he was completely vulnerable to a counterpunch, if Joshua had had the presence of mind to deliver them. With good mobility and a good jab, those flurries by Ruiz would have been countered easily.

That said, I do think Ruiz is pretty awesome, I just don't expect Joshua to be as bad as he was in the first fight.

[armies]

I think now Joshua is psychologically ''afraid'' of Ruiz

[Mark1T]

The Weigh-In

Andy Ruiz at 283 pounds and AJ at 237 pounds.

Ruiz was 268 in the first match. He did trim some for this match, but he obviously ballooned back up.

I will bet $10 on AJ.

[Iceman1800]

Ruiz is going to knock him the f out. Doesn't go past 8

[Mark1T]

Ruiz is going to knock him the f out. Doesn't go past 8

He just might. He seems more hungry than AJ, but you never know.

[armies]

I bet 3,000 dollars Ruiz wins

[ElrondHubbard]

He just might. He seems more hungry than AJ, but you never know.

He's hungry all right, but I hope it's for more than snickers. Looks like he's been relying on them a lot lately.

[ElrondHubbard]

I bet 3,000 dollars Ruiz wins

There's places you can legitimately do that. Have you?

[OldFartTom]

After the first fight there was an interesting interview by Tyson Fury (trying to find it in Google but all I can find is more recent ones)

He said that Joshua was one of the physically fittest boxers ever. But it wasn't a fitness contest it was a boxing match. He said the better boxer won fights.. and Ruiz was the better boxer.

As much as I'd like Joshua to win.. Based on that logic, Ruiz will win again.

I suppose we're about to find out

[Mark1T]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianma.../#6ff1233d675a

Expected Start Time: 4:30 pm ET

Scroll down to: Ruiz-Joshua Round-by-Round Results

[Mark1T]

Round 9 now...

https://www.cbssports.com/boxing/new...ime-undercard/

Round 10 -- 10-9 Joshua (98-92 AJ). Largely uneventful round won by Joshua with his jab. Ruiz limited to one punch at a time.

Championship rounds and Ruiz needs to let fly with big offense but Joshua is staying amazingly disciplined.

With 30 seconds left in Round 11, Ruiz has become visibly frustrated.

Round 11 -- 10-9 Joshua (108-101 AJ). Joshua boxed on his toes throughout and controlled distance perfectly.

Ruiz gets inside and lands a few punches in the start of the final round.

A big right lands for Joshua and he's opening up a bit.

Joshua circling and circling yet again and Ruiz just has no plan to get inside and get the finish he desperately needs.

Unofficial scorecard:

Round 12 -- 10-9 Joshua (118-110 AJ). Joshua did well to avoid any trouble late and keep Ruiz at distance.

We now await the scorecards, but this should be a clear, easy unanimous decision win for Joshua.

The official scorecards: 118-110, 118-110, 119-109 all for Anthony Joshua who is once again the heavyweight champion of the world

[ElrondHubbard]

I bet 3,000 dollars Ruiz wins

You gonna pay that by cash or check?

[Mark1T]

you gonna pay that by cash or check?

lmfao

[ElrondHubbard]

Not really an update, but I always find it interesting that some of the most confident and assertive posters in threads like this go eerily silent when things don’t go as they expected. No follow ups, no “Oops, I was wrong,” no attempt at insight or analysis.

Just “Fight? What fight? Oh, I wasn’t really paying attention, I don’t follow that stuff, you know.”

People are funny.

[Mark1T]

Not really an update, but I always find it interesting that some of the most confident and assertive posters in threads like this go eerily silent when things don’t go as they expected. No follow ups, no “Oops, I was wrong,” no attempt at insight or analysis.

Just “Fight? What fight? Oh, I wasn’t really paying attention, I don’t follow that stuff, you know.”

People are funny.

I agree although I want to make clear that I did not wish for armies to lose money.

I am wrong most of the time on bouts whether MMA or boxing, but this one was different. The first first fight to me seemed like Joshua didn’t take Ruiz seriously enough and when he was caught, he didn’t fully recover. The second fight I thought that Joshua’s career and credibility as a boxer was on the line and he put in the work, trimmed up and trained for Ruiz specifically. Ruiz ballooned up and possibly the glamour and attention he got for beating Joshua clouded his training.

Not that I knew who was going to win, those were the factors I took into consideration. But my record of picking winners is not good.

[Desparado]

From Ruiz after the fight:

"There was always tomorrow, tomorrow," Ruiz lamented. "I should have taken this fight more seriously. Three months of partying and celebrating affected me.
"Being bigger and heavier, I thought was going to benefit me. It didn't. Being overweight, I thought I was going to be stronger. I should have trained harder and listened to my team."

You deserved what you got. Thought you would've trained even harder to prove the first fight was not a fluke. I was wrong.

[ElrondHubbard]

I agree although I want to make clear that I did not wish for armies to lose money.

I am wrong most of the time on bouts whether MMA or boxing, but this one was different. The first first fight to me seemed like Joshua didn’t take Ruiz seriously enough and when he was caught, he didn’t fully recover. The second fight I thought that Joshua’s career and credibility as a boxer was on the line and he put in the work, trimmed up and trained for Ruiz specifically. Ruiz ballooned up and possibly the glamour and attention he got for beating Joshua clouded his training.

Not that I knew who was going to win, those were the factors I took into consideration. But my record of picking winners is not good.

Oh, I didn’t want armies to lose his money either, and I really hope he didn’t actually bet.

I wasn’t intending to call out anybody specifically, the tendency to gloat when you win and sneak off quietly when you lose is pretty ingrained in human nature, and I’ve noticed myself doing it from time to time. It’s just so noticeable here when there’s so little information to base an opinion on, and yet so many strong and confident opinions are being formed nonetheless. It’s part of the “truth is what I wish it was” syndrome that we’re all susceptible to. I take it as an object lesson to try and remind myself to keep my opinions cautious and contingent.

And I KNOW I’m right about that!

I’m usually wrong too, and not just about boxing, but in this case I’ll gracefully accept my accolades as a prophet!

[ElrondHubbard]

From Ruiz after the fight:

"There was always tomorrow, tomorrow," Ruiz lamented. "I should have taken this fight more seriously. Three months of partying and celebrating affected me.
"Being bigger and heavier, I thought was going to benefit me. It didn't. Being overweight, I thought I was going to be stronger. I should have trained harder and listened to my team."

You deserved what you got. Thought you would've trained even harder to prove the first fight was not a fluke. I was wrong.

Particularly after he kept describing himself as “a warrior”, and “death before defeat”. It wasn’t death in the ring he needed to battle against, it was Death By Chocolate.

I definitely would expect more discipline from a professional looking to collect millions of dollars and a pedestal in history.

He knew the stakes. But partying meant more. Sad, mostly. I was hoping for an AJ win, but I did want Ruiz to be able to walk away with his head high and his honor intact. And he could have done that. But it wasn’t worth it to him.

[Mark1T]

Oh, I didn’t want armies to lose his money either, and I really hope he didn’t actually bet.

I wasn’t intending to call out anybody specifically, the tendency to gloat when you win and sneak off quietly when you lose is pretty ingrained in human nature, and I’ve noticed myself doing it from time to time. It’s just so noticeable here when there’s so little information to base an opinion on, and yet so many strong and confident opinions are being formed nonetheless. It’s part of the “truth is what I wish it was” syndrome that we’re all susceptible to. I take it as an object lesson to try and remind myself to keep my opinions cautious and contingent.

And I KNOW I’m right about that!

I’m usually wrong too, and not just about boxing, but in this case I’ll gracefully accept my accolades as a prophet!

We are in agreement. Also, we are in agreement that we didn't want armies to lose money just because we might disagree.

Ruiz is very likeable and he has a future fighting. He just needs to get off the high of winning a championship and train like a champion. That sudden fame did him no favors.

[John Prophet]

I dont follow boxing THAT closely because its so obviously crooked. fixed, political blah blah. Way too shady to take seriously.

That being said, I have always thought Joshua seemed overrated. Lets get real. He barely won the title from an old Klitschko IIRC...Joshua himself being rocked in that fight.

I used to think Wilder was overrated but it seems at least he had more legit fights lately plus he didnt lose to a guy so obviously way out of shape.

Damage done now.


and Ruiz claiming he's partied for 3 months etc and claiming he thought being heavier (fatter) was going to help him?? How do these guys get that far in life with those nutty mindsets??

[ElrondHubbard]

I dont follow boxing THAT closely because its so obviously crooked. fixed, political blah blah. Way too shady to take seriously.

That being said, I have always thought Joshua seemed overrated. Lets get real. He barely won the title from an old Klitschko IIRC...Joshua himself being rocked in that fight.

I used to think Wilder was overrated but it seems at least he had more legit fights lately plus he didnt lose to a guy so obviously way out of shape.

Damage done now.


and Ruiz claiming he's partied for 3 months etc and claiming he thought being heavier (fatter) was going to help him?? How do these guys get that far in life with those nutty mindsets??

They're all overrated to certain extent, partly because their egos cause them to overrate themselves.

That doesn't bother me, though. I'm overrated too!

[armies]

You gonna pay that by cash or check?

Lol, ok I was wrong

[Mark1T]

Lol, ok I was wrong

In boxing or MMA, we are all are much of the time.